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Location: My own little world :) | What do you think of this guy? I'm thinking about breeding to him but I'm not sure. The only hang up I have is that he was injured before he could be proven. Does that hold any of rest of you back from breeding to him? And my mare is not proven.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/go+roc+em
I'm not sure how to get his all breed pedigree to show up here. |
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| No, I wouldn't |
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| This stud is local. I like him well enough. I like his pedigree, I like his build and I like his foals I have seen. I think his oldest foals are 3 year olds. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | i dont mind him on paper.......
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Location: Texas | Probably not unless he had already proven himself as a stallion. |
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Location: My own little world :) | wishes4kissez - 2013-11-28 1:43 PM
This stud is local. I like him well enough. I like his pedigree, I like his build and I like his foals I have seen. I think his oldest foals are 3 year olds.
Yes he is local. He is actually just down the road from my house! Like maybe 2 miles tops. I have been liking how his foals look so far but I'm just not really sure if I'm ready to take a chance on him yet. I bred my mare last year to Bully For Casey but she didn't take. I tried to AI her on the foal heat but it didn't work and it was so late in the year that I decided that I would try again next year. But if it doesn't work out I thought he would be an option. Do you think he is comparable to Bully For Casey?? |
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| I like him on paper too, would need to see him and offspring to really know for sure. If you like what you see I vote take a chance, the location can't be beat, specially if it takes a couple trips to get your mare settled. I'm going to get on my soap box now and risk getting flamed...I have a real issue with people's blind belief and following of all the big name proven studs out there. Do t get me wrong, a lot of these studs are fantastic, but there is just as many or more fantastic studs out there that don't have the money backing them to get them proven and promoted to become a big name and thus get the blind following. Stepping down now. |
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Location: My own little world :) | Jdpb - 2013-11-28 2:18 PM
I like him on paper too, would need to see him and offspring to really know for sure. If you like what you see I vote take a chance, the location can't be beat, specially if it takes a couple trips to get your mare settled. I'm going to get on my soap box now and risk getting flamed...I have a real issue with people's blind belief and following of all the big name proven studs out there. Do t get me wrong, a lot of these studs are fantastic, but there is just as many or more fantastic studs out there that don't have the money backing them to get them proven and promoted to become a big name and thus get the blind following. Stepping down now.
No worries! I actually completely agree with you. How did the big names get there?? Someone took a chance on them and promoted them. I feel like in this day and age many horses have similar bloodlines just maybe someone promoted one or the other in a better way and whatnot. I feel like at some point you just have to stick with something. The only thing I worry about is that if I ever wanted to sell the foal would it be very marketable...because not everyone thinks that way when they are purchasing.
I like the stud and his babies so far but none of them have really done anything grand yet..but only time will tell. I'm just not sure if I'm ready to take that chance on him if you know what I mean. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | Nope. He's unproven, His sire is unproven. and the dam has a decent amount of money for a mare i guess, but she was started over 45 times soo....
His build doesn't do much to wow me.
I have to say I'm still learning about racing, but one thing I've got a pretty good grasp on is that rarely does a sire that did nothing and was unsuccesful sire a foal that will do something and be super successful. So why waste money on something that's a gamble. ( all though breeding in general sort of is cause you don't always have a guaranteed super star) There are studs out there that are proven with with a stud fee close to his that would be more worth the time and money and most are all own sons. This guy isn't even an own son.
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Location: My own little world :) | Here are some pics of him.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Zanadoo88 - 2013-11-28 2:44 PM Here are some pics of him.
Hes pretty nice looking, the only thing I see that I dont like is that he needs a cleaner throat latch and a little bit longer neck. And check his teeth, make sure he dont have a parrot mouth, its the way hes holding his mouth in the top picture that caught my eye, but the other picture he looks fine. But hes a pretty boy. |
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| ...depends on how your mare is bred. I like him on paper, but I think a mare's pedigree is very important. |
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Location: My own little world :) | LabRat - 2013-11-28 4:18 PM
...depends on how your mare is bred. I like him on paper, but I think a mare's pedigree is very important.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ima+darkelly+gal
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Location: Texas | I like his bloodlines. What type of injury did he sustain, and is it due to a hereditary weakness. I don't like the fact that he isn't proven, but would consider breeding to an exceptional individual. He doesn't look spectacular in the pictures. I would not breed your mare to him. This cross would stack First Down Dash and Beduino up close and is not sex balanced. I would cross her on a stallion whose lines have historically crossed well with hers. This will give you a shot at an excellent, marketable prospect vs. an inbred experiment. |
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| I think the key here is how much? his neck ties in really high, too high for me. If he's not proven he better be made perfect and that horse is not. Not a fan of his back end either, but thats an awful picture, so it's hard to tell. If his sire isn't even proven or anything at all I'd sure stay away. You can go buy a 2 year old bred way better than that (I didn't look @ your mare though)- for way less than it will cost you to raise one most likely. Young horses are cheap! |
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Location: South Georgia Good o'l USA | May be a bit too much Beduino for me.. |
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| Personally I would breed to something more proven with more popular bloodlines, unless this is a colt you want to keep for yourself or you get a really good deal on his fee but I don't see that colt being very salable unless it was proven (hope that logic makes since). Please Cassy Go was a really nice mare and an excellent producer but where this stud is not proven himself as a performer I would prob wait to see what his colts do, that's just my opinion.
You can breed to sons of DTF, FWF or FG for pretty cheap and have a little better cross on you mare. You could have a colt that is a grandson or daughter of Darkelly and one of the before mentioned, that would make a more salable colt I would think. But if you like that dam and you like the sire and plan to keep the colt then go for it. Since you said this stud is local to you I am guessing you are in the NW, there are alot of nice studs up here. I really A Firewater Twist RB he is by FWF out of a daughter of beda cheng who is out of a full sister to please cassy go. I have a filly by him and have been around alot of his colts that I really like alot, they are all laid back and very trainable. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I would breed her to him. You want the neck to tie in high , that is where you get your speed. It means the shoulders are laid back allowing for that long stretch. The lines are close on a couple but you'll only be line breeding and plenty of mix among other get. I have looked at some proven sires and there are many that aren't even eye candy. The way economy is you will be keeping the foal. I think he would be a good cross on your mare. |
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Location: My own little world :) | Oh gosh I feel like an idiot! I must not have looked at his papers very closely or just got them mixed up with another horse or something! My mare and him are just a little too related for my taste. I'd like to mix up the genetics a bit more than that. I feel stupid  |
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Location: Oklahoma | Don't feel stupid for that. Some really great producers can come from strong linebreeding, and even in-breeding. It just takes some research and an "educated jump" into the realm of breeding close relatives. It can really work, or really, really fail. |
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