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Itsme
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2013-12-13 7:10 PM
Subject: Am I the only one? T&M NFR....


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Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
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Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2013-12-13 7:21 PM
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 Yep. I think it's just you. LOL j/k Not sure where else they could get that large a spectating crowd to hold a rodeo in Vegas. Of course I am not familiar with all of Vegas. They run in a lot of colesiums throughout the year.
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Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2013-12-13 8:02 PM
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Not my favorite idea in the world either, I said the same thing last year. However for 10 rounds... maybe its better for the horses not to be running a bigger pattern..
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Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2013-12-13 8:06 PM
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I don't think it is exactly something they did on purpose. I can't remember where the NFR used to be, maybe Oklahoma, but it is just a place where they can have the venue they do, all the shopping and the bad ass award shows they put on. In my humble opinion it just won't be the same if they move it. 
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Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2013-12-13 8:09 PM
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daisycake123
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2013-12-13 8:29 PM
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I will probably get bad hate mail and email. But i would more inclined to get caught up in this if they had 1200 barrel racers and any good nbha show would probably not have a show in a pen that small and the ground does not look as trashy as i have seen t and m. I know those ladies and there horses are good anyone can have a bad week and this small pen might not,be their speciality, but what would haen if they let the top 50 go instead of top 15. i know myself when my 1-d mare was with me i could get my a** beat in a pen that my mare did not like iknew which ones and just did not go, had one that i liked vut she didnot i still went, i dont know why but she wasnot the only horse. But i also knew one girl beat me in that area, she could not understand and she was bragging on how good her horse did until the next week.
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wyoming barrel racer
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2013-12-13 8:37 PM
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I imagine there would be plenty griping if the pattern was as big as Pendleton (sp?) as well. Most would be spent by the 5th round. Would love to run there some day though 
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Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2013-12-13 8:39 PM
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daisycake123 - 2013-12-13 9:29 PM I will probably get bad hate mail and email. But i would more inclined to get caught up in this if they had 1200 barrel racers and any good nbha show would probably not have a show in a pen that small and the ground does not look as trashy as i have seen t and m. I know those ladies and there horses are good anyone can have a bad week and this small pen might not,be their speciality, but what would haen if they let the top 50 go instead of top 15. i know myself when my 1-d mare was with me i could get my a** beat in a pen that my mare did not like iknew which ones and just did not go, had one that i liked vut she didnot i still went, i dont know why but she wasnot the only horse. But i also knew one girl beat me in that area, she could not understand and she was bragging on how good her horse did until the next week.

thats like saying let 10 teams go to super bowl.. where is the prestige in that?  


 
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kmcsunshine
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2013-12-13 8:43 PM
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Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?

If you don't like the pattern, don't haul pro and try to qualify.


FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/ 
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rodeomom13
Reg. Apr 2008
Posted 2013-12-13 8:48 PM
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kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM
Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
If you don't like the pattern, don't haul pro and try to qualify.





FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/ 

If I remember right, Black Hills is a 13 second pattern. There are a lot of indoor pens that are as small as T&M.

I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? 
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Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2013-12-13 8:55 PM
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rodeomom13 - 2013-12-13 8:48 PM
kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM
Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
If you don't like the pattern, don't haul pro and try to qualify.





FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/ 
If I remember right, Black Hills is a 13 second pattern. There are a lot of indoor pens that are as small as T&M.



I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? 

Yes Rapid City rodeo pen is smaller than T & M
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fatchance
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2013-12-13 8:57 PM
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Itsme - 2013-12-13 5:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?

First and foremost they are the BEST in the WPRA.  They know where the finals are.  AND a great barrel horse and rider with that goal in mind will know how to take a horse into the Thomas & Mack.  No surprises here.
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Nevertooold
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2013-12-13 9:14 PM
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It's called money...

~~1984 – Las Vegas visionary Benny Binion, along with Las Vegas Events and its then-president, Herb McDonald, had an eye on bringing the NFR to Las Vegas. But Oklahoma City, which had hosted the event for 20 years, was not about to let it go without a fight. It helped that McDonald and LVE guaranteed the rodeo a prize fund of $1.8 million to the cowboys and $700,000 to the contractors – compared to the $900,000 and $200,000, respectively, that was paid in Oklahoma City in 1984.
They want the NFR visitors to be in the Casinos...Not sitting at the Thomas and Mack and because of that...it is very doubtful a bigger arena will be built or used for the NFR.


 
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Nevertooold
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2013-12-13 9:16 PM
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fatchance - 2013-12-13 8:57 PM
Itsme - 2013-12-13 5:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
First and foremost they are the BEST in the WPRA.  They know where the finals are.  AND a great barrel horse and rider with that goal in mind will know how to take a horse into the Thomas & Mack.  No surprises here.

Exactly and when they make a winning run they want to get paid well...Not what the NBHA pays..LOL
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Itsme
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2013-12-13 9:18 PM
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Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
If you don't like the pattern, don't haul pro and try to qualify.





FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/ 
If I remember right, Black Hills is a 13 second pattern. There are a lot of indoor pens that are as small as T&M.



I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? 

Yes Rapid City rodeo pen is smaller than T & M

So thats 2 in the country...

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fatchance
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2013-12-13 9:40 PM
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Nevertooold - 2013-12-13 7:16 PM
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Itsme - 2013-12-13 5:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
First and foremost they are the BEST in the WPRA.  They know where the finals are.  AND a great barrel horse and rider with that goal in mind will know how to take a horse into the Thomas & Mack.  No surprises here.
Exactly and when they make a winning run they want to get paid well...Not what the NBHA pays..LOL

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CYA Ranch
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2013-12-13 9:46 PM
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Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
If you don't like the pattern, don't haul pro and try to qualify.





FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/ 
If I remember right, Black Hills is a 13 second pattern. There are a lot of indoor pens that are as small as T&M.



I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? 
Yes Rapid City rodeo pen is smaller than T & M
So thats 2 in the country...

So here's an idea.  Don't run Pro.  
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rsracing
Reg. Jun 2011
Posted 2013-12-13 9:49 PM
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I don't think it's wierd. They have to be able to run in every type of pen imaginable, including a small one. That's what rodeo is all about and makes it tough, the variables:)
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Reg. Nov 2006
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Thats why they are Pro, their horses can run anywhere. And really the arena is better for the rough stock animals. 
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Posted 2013-12-13 9:50 PM
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Itsme - 2013-12-13 8:18 PM
CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 8:55 PM
rodeomom13 - 2013-12-13 8:48 PM
kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM
Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
If you don't like the pattern, don't haul pro and try to qualify.





FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/ 
If I remember right, Black Hills is a 13 second pattern. There are a lot of indoor pens that are as small as T&M.



I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? 
Yes Rapid City rodeo pen is smaller than T & M
So thats 2 in the country...

There's way  more than 2 in the country.  There's a pen in Nebraska or Iowa that's an 11 second pen.  Most of the arena in my area are 14 second pens.  It's what's available & everyone knows going in what the conditions are & the size of the pattern.  If you don't like it don't go.....oh wait......you can't. 
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