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Location: Around here somewhere... | Here on BHW about 3 or 4 years ago I was considering breeding a mare to Woodbridge and was told by different people that he had thrown several foals with Wobblers, but now I can not find anyone who knows anything about any of his babies ever having Wobblers or ANY other problems. (Even MJ Farms denies any knowledge of ANY problems.) I do not remember the name of anyone who told me this, and am now wondering if it is even true or if people were just spreading the rumor. (I KNOW that it was Woodbridge, because he is the ONLY major barrel sire in NM, and I was/am hoping to keep my money in-state).
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| Blaundee - 2013-12-15 2:32 PM Here on BHW about 3 or 4 years ago I was considering breeding a mare to Woodbridge and was told by different people that he had thrown several foals with Wobblers, but now I can not find anyone who knows anything about any of his babies ever having Wobblers or ANY other problems. (Even MJ Farms denies any knowledge of ANY problems.) I do not remember the name of anyone who told me this, and am now wondering if it is even true or if people were just spreading the rumor. (I KNOW that it was Woodbridge, because he is the ONLY major barrel sire in NM, and I was/am hoping to keep my money in-state).
He is a wobbler i personally wouldnt risk it... ive had one that was a wobbler and had to put him down at two.. |
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| I wish that $hit was public before I bred to him. He came very recommended by big name people. Now I'm worried. I hope that it isn't true since a vet stands him.
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Google Wobbler... it is nerve damage due to injury, not a hereditary gene.
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Location: Around here somewhere... | I've been googling it but come up with conflicting info. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | cow pie - 2013-12-14 6:38 PM
Google Wobbler... it is nerve damage due to injury, not a hereditary gene.
This is incorrect! Yes, your horse can hurt his neck and then become a "wobbler" but true Wobblers is genetic and is caused from the bone not forming correctly during growth. I've heard from several people that he has wobblers, and while you may get a perfectly healthy baby, I would never chance it. My wobbler was put down and I had many conversations about her issue with multiple vets. They all agreed they would not chance breeding a wobbler. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | Mitzer - 2013-12-14 5:49 PM
I wish that $hit was public before I bred to him. He came very recommended by big name people. Now I'm worried. I hope that it isn't true since a vet stands him.
People and vets are breeding PSSM positive horses. They will certainly breed a wobbler , also. $$$$
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Location: Around here somewhere... | Annemarea- would you care to share the pedigree of your wobbler? |
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| If I had a Woodbridge colt, I would be very careful with what I fed them and I would really watch how fast they are growing.
Big, growthy colts can develop wobblers and it isn't pretty. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Now you have my curiosity. the nerve runs from the poll down under the withers(i'm guessing) so how is this able to affect the nerve due to bone growth? The information I read was saying surgery could be done by making a separation in the bone at the withers and replacing it with metal so the nerve would heal and no longer be pinched. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | Blaundee - 2013-12-14 7:05 PM Annemarea- would you care to share the pedigree of your wobbler?
Sure ! I raised her myself. And on a side note, I own her 3/4 brother who also had a bone/growth related issue in his stifle. When I spoke to the Vets at LSU they basically told me that any malformation of the bone, such as wobblers and OCD are really related and highly suspected of being genetic, even though they have not identified the genes associated with it. I personally know of several siblings to my two that also had OCD.
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http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/perks+in+trouble
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Location: Iowa, LA | cow pie - 2013-12-14 7:12 PM Now you have my curiosity. the nerve runs from the poll down under the withers(i'm guessing) so how is this able to affect the nerve due to bone growth? The information I read was saying surgery could be done by making a separation in the bone at the withers and replacing it with metal so the nerve would heal and no longer be pinched.
The controlling nerves/passageways run through the spine. As they are constricted/pinched off due to the malformation of the spine, the signals cannot get to the backend. So, you generally have this narrowing of the spine and that will cause inflammation and therefore even more constriction. I've had both a Great Dane and a horse with Wobblers. They both first began to drag their back feet and then as more inflammation developed, began to have an off gait. The horse actually fell with her trainer. They both experienced neck pain. I've never heard of a wobbler having surgery. When you have a prospect, it is highly unlikely you would spend the money on a surgery that may or may not help at all. In both of my Wobblers' cases surgery was not even an option. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | Here is a link that explains it. Again, Wobblers that happens during growth and not due to an injury is the one I'm speaking of. Obviously if the spine is injured and then arthritis develops, it can cause Wobblers symptoms because essentially the same spinal compression is happening. But that would not be the genetic type of growth related Wobblers that I have experience with. SKM had a horse that was injured later in life and developed Wobblers due to the injury.
http://www.uky.edu/Ag/AnimalSciences/pubs/asc133.pdf
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| annemarea - 2013-12-14 6:43 PM Here is a link that explains it. Again, Wobblers that happens during growth and not due to an injury is the one I'm speaking of. Obviously if the spine is injured and then arthritis develops, it can cause Wobblers symptoms because essentially the same spinal compression is happening. But that would not be the genetic type of growth related Wobblers that I have experience with. SKM had a horse that was injured later in life and developed Wobblers due to the injury. http://www.uky.edu/Ag/AnimalSciences/pubs/asc133.pdf
We also had a colt that had to be put down because of growth related wobblers. He all the sudden had a really huge growth spurt. This colt had 4 other full siblings and none of them were like him so I have to question it being heridatary.
I have heard the rumor about Woodbridge but I honestly don't know if there is any truth to it.
But like I said, if I ever had a foal by him... I would be very careful how I fed it and I'd keep a very close eye on how fast it was growing. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | SKM - 2013-12-15 12:42 AM
annemarea - 2013-12-14 6:43 PM Here is a link that explains it. Again, Wobblers that happens during growth and not due to an injury is the one I'm speaking of. Obviously if the spine is injured and then arthritis develops, it can cause Wobblers symptoms because essentially the same spinal compression is happening. But that would not be the genetic type of growth related Wobblers that I have experience with. SKM had a horse that was injured later in life and developed Wobblers due to the injury. http://www.uky.edu/Ag/AnimalSciences/pubs/asc133.pdf
I have heard the rumor about Woodbridge but I honestly don't know if there is any truth to it.
But like I said, if I ever had a foal by him... I would be very careful how I fed it and I'd keep a very close eye on how fast it was growing.
I forgot about that one, SKM. I understand what you are saying, and I've tried to find studies supporting that it is genetic, but can't. One study I did find actually said that when they bred two known wobblers, they ended up getting babies with OCD, but not wobblers! LOL At any rate...with all I've been through, even my hearing loss being diagnosed as genetic, I still feel researches will one day find a gene responsible. |
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Location: Home of the World Famous "Silver Bullet" | annemarea - 2013-12-14 7:47 PM cow pie - 2013-12-14 6:38 PM Google Wobbler... it is nerve damage due to injury, not a hereditary gene. This is incorrect! Yes, your horse can hurt his neck and then become a "wobbler" but true Wobblers is genetic and is caused from the bone not forming correctly during growth. I've heard from several people that he has wobblers, and while you may get a perfectly healthy baby, I would never chance it. My wobbler was put down and I had many conversations about her issue with multiple vets. They all agreed they would not chance breeding a wobbler.
true wobblers are genetic. i did not know they could live after 2 or 3. maybe his problem is a injury. |
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| So when the foal is born they appear normal? And if they have to be put down, why is Woodbridge still alive. Does anyone know how old he was when they discovered this problem ( if he has it.) Also does anyone know what percentage of foals can have it? Thank you for the info. |
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| I would like to hear about the healthy foals and their dams sides.
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Location: Around here somewhere... | Mitzer - 2013-12-15 8:52 AM I would like to hear about the healthy foals and their dams sides.
Me too. |
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