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| I've been trying to do research on hind gut ulcers. What is the best supplement for it? I see where you treat with sulcrafate or antibiotic? Any comments or suggestions. My horses is terrible cinchy (bites/can tell she is in pain) I've done gastrogard, abprazole and gastroplus but have not seen any benefits (other than shiney hair) I usually always love gastroplus. |
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| You might give Smoothrun Gastro smooth. It has MICRO ENCAPSULATED probiotics that actually make it passed the acid filled stomach into the hind gut. I am not a rep or sponsor, just have used the product for about 15 years now with lots of success. www.smoothrunequine.com |
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| For hind gut, sucralfate, equishure or succeed can help. |
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| How long have you done the omeprazole?
I do 30-60 days of omeprazole then low starch high fat, and probiotics if need be. Ulcers can come back as soon as 4 days. I also have free choice hay in front of mine at all times.
I think the trick is to keep the hind gut ph as normal as possible, so everything in moderation, keeping fermentable sugars at a minimum. |
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| How long are the intestines and how much do they hold?
Do you think a lil scoop of this or that is really going to help? |
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| Itsme - 2013-12-16 4:06 PM
How long are the intestines and how much do they hold?
Do you think a lil scoop of this or that is really going to help?
Yes as it is absorbed into the blood stream and dispersed throughout the body, the clinical studies have been done on horses and they have calculated the appropriate amount for weight. Omeprazole is a proton pump inhibitor, they interact specifically with parietal cell h+, k+ ATPase.
Just read in my text and it says misoprostol is the drug of choice, treatment begins at 1.5 ug/kg po and gradually increases, because higher doses have been associated with abdominal discomfort and diarrhea in clinical cases. Treatment usually lasts 4-5 weeks
Pg 115 Bertone&horspool Equine clinical pharmacology 2004
Just a side note, the misoprostol is used in humans to stop hemorrhage in birth
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Location: Oklahoma | I feed Adeptus Invigor.
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| I recently learned that all the medicines you listed do NOT help hind gut ulcers. FORCO is the only thing that helped mine. |
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| Thanks for all the information. I do have a question about forco, isn't it just a pre/probiotic? I'd be interested knowing more.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | lulupete - 2013-12-16 8:17 PM Thanks for all the information. I do have a question about forco, isn't it just a pre/probiotic? I'd be interested knowing more.
The makers of this product describes it the best.
~~The digestive system is at the heart of most major problems in a horse such as colic, diarrhea, compaction, founder, poor doers, poor appetite and weight loss. FORCO® Feed Supplement Digestive Fortifier is a source of nutrients that feed and nurture the entire scope of bacterial and microbial populations in the full spectrum of the digestive system. The FORCO formula helps to bring a horse’s digestive system to full performance. Hay, grain, vitamins, and mineral supplements can now be broken down into a form that can be absorbed into the blood stream of the horse, thus, providing maximum nutrition to every microscopic cell in the horse. FORCO formula assists in producing maximum digestion for maximum nutrition!"
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Location: Alabama | I used forco for about four months. That along with a compounded knock off gastroguard did get my horse back to eating and slowed his cribbing. It did not however stop his loose stools or major bloat and gas. So, after a good friend of mine told me about smartpak and how it had helped her ulcer horse who had been diagnosed with hind gut ulcers as well I gave smartgut a try. Let me tell you I feed it to everything on my place now! No gas no bloat no colicky symptoms shiny coats little to no cribbing I could go on and on. As long as they make the stuff I will use it. I'm on my third bag of it now. Horses are working and feeling good. I am a believer. And hey they offer a money back guarantee! Can't beat that. I wish I could be a dealer for the stuff lol! Please excuse any bad grammar or punctuation issues I'm on my cell. |
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| Thanks for the info about smartgut. Do you use the smartgut ultra? I've been reading on smart pack website but wasn't sure which one was for hindgut. |
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| Nevertooold - 2013-12-16 8:44 PM
lulupete - 2013-12-16 8:17 PM Thanks for all the information. I do have a question about forco, isn't it just a pre/probiotic? I'd be interested knowing more.
The makers of this product describes it the best. ~~The digestive system is at the heart of most major problems in a horse such as colic, diarrhea, compaction, founder, poor doers, poor appetite and weight loss. FORCO® Feed Supplement Digestive Fortifier is a source of nutrients that feed and nurture the entire scope of bacterial and microbial populations in the full spectrum of the digestive system. The FORCO formula helps to bring a horse’s digestive system to full performance. Hay, grain, vitamins, and mineral supplements can now be broken down into a form that can be absorbed into the blood stream of the horse, thus, providing maximum nutrition to every microscopic cell in the horse. FORCO formula assists in producing maximum digestion for maximum nutrition!"
Thanks for the info! |
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Location: Kansas | RoadToVegas - 2013-12-16 7:07 PM I recently learned that all the medicines you listed do NOT help hind gut ulcers. FORCO is the only thing that helped mine.
Forco all the way. I feed grain and no ulcer issues. |
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Location: NC | barrelracinbroke - 2013-12-16 4:44 PM
For hind gut, sucralfate, equishure or succeed can help.
EquiShure by KER is a great product. Succeed is another one. These two are PROVEN and formulated SPECIFICALLY for hind hut issues.
Forco is still relatively new, so I have no idea how well it works for hind gut issues. I know that Succeed and EquiShure do work from experience and experience of others.
I used SmartGut on a gastric ulcer prone gelding & he's been on it for over a year now without any issues. It's never a bad idea to add it to a feeding program. You don't need the Ultra. The regular one works fine.
I also fed Pre/Probiotic ever day too until I switched to a feed that included them in the formula.
I have fed Triple Crown Senior with awesome results. LOVE it. Feed it to everything I have from the colt to the 12 year old. High fat, really low starch, corn free. Love the stuff. |
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Location: In a happy place | Forco and I have used it for years. I wouldn't consider it relatively new. |
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| go to Bristow vet clinic and they have a remedy with draw and I used it after trying very expensive products- I seen great results within the first week and its been great ulcer cure and prevenative every since- love it |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | sorrel horse ranch - 2013-12-16 10:07 PM Forco and I have used it for years. I wouldn't consider it relatively new.
Exactly.
They have kept their prices down by not spending a lot of money on advertisement. They use the word of mouth method..
For hindgut ulcers...THE GastroPlus worked great and works really well with FORCO.
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Location: NC | sorrel horse ranch - 2013-12-16 11:07 PM
Forco and I have used it for years. I wouldn't consider it relatively new.
"New to me"
I haven't heard of it until it popped up all over the place here lately. I don't know it to be proven as a buffer, so I don't know if it would specifically help hind gut issues. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | hlynn - 2013-12-16 10:23 PM sorrel horse ranch - 2013-12-16 11:07 PM Forco and I have used it for years. I wouldn't consider it relatively new. "New to me" I haven't heard of it until it popped up all over the place here lately. I don't know it to be proven as a buffer, so I don't know if it would specifically help hind gut issues.
I've been using it since 2005 and it was around before then.
Research began around 25 years ago..
~~Most digestive aid products are effective only in the foregut or early portion of the digestion system. This is especially true of microbial products. FORCO is unique, because it is designed to be effective throughout the entire alimentary system, from the mouth through the colon. This is a critical consideration for horses: the cecum portion of the hindgut that digests most of the forage fiber (hay and pasture) and carbohydrates, and then the colon absorbs and/or synthesizes and absorbs vitamins, minerals, volatile fatty acids and amino acids. Because FORCO addresses the entire digestive process, horses respond to FORCO when they do not respond to other digestive aids.
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