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| So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they? |
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Location: Montana | Linda D - 2013-12-17 9:41 PM Why?
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 11:05 PM So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they?
Welfare children. |
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Location: Texas! | Nevertooold - 2013-12-17 10:13 PM Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 11:05 PM So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they? Welfare children.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!! that's a good one. |
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Location: Florida.. | Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 12:13 AM Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 11:05 PM So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they? Welfare children.
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| Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 9:13 PM
Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 11:05 PM So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they?
Welfare children.
HEHE walked into that one! We call my recip mare welly, short for wellfare (she has babies for a living). |
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Location: Desert Land | Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 9:05 PM
So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they?
Some people will specify paternal half sibling to such n such. I just say this horse has the same sire as such n such. It's just the way it is...stallions have the capability of feasibly siring more foals in their life time than a mare. II know why people say it because it makes their horse sound better - it's a marketing tool, but if you are knowledgeable in the industry terminology, then a horse is only referred to being a half sibling when they share the same dam. For example, I have a son of Dinero, but I would never call him a 1/2 brother to Stingray. I do however call him a half brother to Tinman because they are out of the same mare. |
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| Nevertooold - 2013-12-17 11:13 PM
Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 11:05 PM So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they?
Welfare children.
And thank you for the laugh, it's a good way to start a day =) |
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| Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 11:05 PM So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they?
Blood siblings........my dad was SO picky about this, I ALWAYS call foals by the same sire half siblings. You see, I'm contrary that way and no matter what some people think, half the genes come from each parent.
So op, if it makes you feel good to be the horse terminology police, go for it, but don't expect everybody to care. |
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| Nevertooold - 2013-12-17 11:13 PM Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 11:05 PM So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they? Welfare children.
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| Nevertooold - 2013-12-17 11:13 PM Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 11:05 PM So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they? Welfare children.
Are you callin' Bender's kids welfare children? If so, where can I sign Nutsy up for Chips and Medicade?????????? Headed to the vet today so I need to do it quickly.
I saw that someone asked why. Way back when, people thought the mare had so much influnence on the foal that she was the main force in deciding behavior and ability. Thus, you would hear that 60-80 percent of her was in the foal..........In this day of embryo transfer, I doubt that is the case anymore since often the foal gets genes an equal amount of genetic material from each parent, but is influenced behaviorally by an outside factor. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 12:13 AM Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 11:05 PM So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they? Welfare children.
This made me laugh. But, oh so true. |
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| kmcsunshine - 2013-12-18 6:57 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-17 11:13 PM Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 11:05 PM So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they? Welfare children.
I saw that someone asked why. Way back when, people thought the mare had so much influnence on the foal that she was the main force in deciding behavior and ability. Thus, you would hear that 60-80 percent of her was in the foal..........In this day of embryo transfer, I doubt that is the case anymore since often the foal gets genes an equal amount of genetic material from each parent, but is influenced behaviorally by an outside factor.
Interesting. My trainer has always said she thought the dam had a huge influence on the baby since she raises the baby. Do you think with embryo transfer you don't get the "same" baby if the bio dam had carried? Maybe that could be a good thing if you are looking for a different temperament. |
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Location: Midwest | rodeomom3 - 2013-12-18 7:03 AM kmcsunshine - 2013-12-18 6:57 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-17 11:13 PM Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 11:05 PM So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they? Welfare children.
I saw that someone asked why. Way back when, people thought the mare had so much influnence on the foal that she was the main force in deciding behavior and ability. Thus, you would hear that 60-80 percent of her was in the foal..........In this day of embryo transfer, I doubt that is the case anymore since often the foal gets genes an equal amount of genetic material from each parent, but is influenced behaviorally by an outside factor.
In my mind it depends... I knew a lady that bred foundation horses. All her broodies had nice temperments, as did her stud. However, every baby from that stud was mean as a snake. He was the only consistent factor.
Also genetically speaking, they are half and half. What you are talking about brings in the age old nature vs nuture question. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Technically the OP is correct. There is a reason why all your good bloodstock sales list a small paragraph on the stallion and the entire rest of the page is the dam. What she did and what she produced. The weaker the dam, then her dam and her dams dam can be listed and the DAM will determine sale price more so then the sire. The better the dam, the more money that horse will bring. The odds that horse will be a great athlete greatly increase with a good dam. Good sons and daughters come from good dams. |
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