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       Location: Georgia | Found this when I was feeding this morning. As you can see, there is also some drainage coming from the eye as well. I have a vet appt for this afternoon, just trying to get an idea of what it might be. Luckily, I've never had to deal with any eye issues before (until now) but I have had friends who have and I know they can get serious very quickly.
How are these normally treated and how long do they take to go away?

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        Location: Sunny So Cal | I have had 2 different horses with 2 different looking ulcers in their eye. The first one had an eye that looked like gasoline on water. The second one (rescued) was completely cloudy and it turned out that the cloud was an infection and then once we cleared up the infection he had a spot left in his eye that looked like the one your horse has. He said it was scar tissue because he had been dealing with it for so long that it constantly was ulcering behind the scar tissue. Ended up doing surgery and removing almost half his eye. But strangely eyes can regenerate. Looks completely normal now and doesn't effect his vision at all. So I guess it could be an ulcer or it is an infection. JMO from what I have experienced with my horses. I hope for the best! It was a long road to get his eye normal again, 9 months. But my first horse, with the gasoline on water look, we just put ointment in her eye for 2 weeks and it cleared it up. So it just depends I guess. |
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        Location: southeast Texas | Some times it can take months to save the eye, lots of $$ and then still have a white film over eye. Then sometimes just a week or so and back to normal. Have had both wats. |
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      Location: Okemah,OK | Unfortunately for me and my ponies, I've been through a TON of eye issues! Several normal eye ulcers from dust, bumping into something, a grass seed getting into their eye, etc. Most of them just involve several days of eye ointment, maybe some banamine for swelling or oral antibiotics and they clear up. However, I bought one that came with a fungal infection and that involved very aggressive treatment every 4 hours for days on end and my Dash a Ta Fame weanling had an eye ulcer turn into a melting ulcer that required IMMEDIATE surgery to save the eye. Most don't melt but it just depends on the type of bacteria that may get in there. That was a scary one but it was a rare occurrence. The blue spot on your horses eye and the drainage looks like an ulcer to me but they need to stain it and see exactly what's going on. Good luck to you, early intervention is key! |
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        Location: Kansas | I'm fighting a neverending battle with a senior horse that evidently scratched or cut the surface of his eye. Started with a white spot that turned into a bright red spot and after two months of treatment with banamine and ointment is still weepy and ugly. Vet says it will be fine someday but I'm having a hard time believing that.
I'd be interested to know what your vet says about your horses eye.
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       Location: Georgia | Sorry its taken me so long to update this thread. I actually forgot about it! The vet looked at it on Dec. 19 and its now Jan 2 and its still pretty nasty. After staining it, she confirmed that it was indeed an ulcer. At first have I was putting blood serum, an antibiotic and a dialator in her eye along with giving her 10 cc of banamine every morning. There wasnt much improvement so we are now giving her an oral antibiotic and 10 cc twice a day. Went back to the vet and fortunately, the ulcer was showing signs of healing so thats what we are sticking with. However, its still pretty nasty. Lots of draining coming from the eye and she isnt wanting to keep it open. Im just a little concerned that it's not healing faster. I know they can take a while but it seems like things arent moving fast at all. Poor girl runs from me everytime I go out to the pasture. Has anyone dealt with ulcers before? Is there any miracle cure? lol |
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      Location: The edge of no where | Did they tell you to keep her out of direct sunlight? We've always sewed a flap into a flymask so that the eye is completely protected (dust, wind, sunlight will all irritate it). It seems to help them heal up faster. We've had a few that required treatment for weeks...it sucks. |
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       Location: Georgia | MS2011 - 2014-01-02 2:20 PM Did they tell you to keep her out of direct sunlight?
We've always sewed a flap into a flymask so that the eye is completely protected (dust, wind, sunlight will all irritate it). It seems to help them heal up faster. We've had a few that required treatment for weeks...it sucks.
We are keeping a fly mask on her but, as you know, that still allows some light in. Luckily, its been overcast almost everyday since it has appeared so that has been nice. |
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 Location: Mountains of Arizona | You can put a patch over the side of the flymask the injured eye is on. Duct Tape works. They will look like a pirate but it helps. If you have access to any essential oils, put Frankincense around the eye. Not in it, just around it. My gelding had the entire eye cloud over, all vision was gone, swelling around it and he did not want me doctoring it at all. Once we started using the Frankincense, no more fights to doctor him and the eye is much better. He has vision back and there is no swelling. It took a good 2-3 weeks.
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  Location: Texas | This summer a client of ours had a mare get and ulcer due to rubbing it on the stall. It actually ended up ruptureing. After 3 weeks at the vet she was allowed to come to my barn for rehab. They ended up sewing aminion ( I'm sure I didn't spell that right) on her eye. We Took a racing hood and used medical tape to tape one blinker closed she was kept in the darkest stall I had and we treated her every two hours. By the end of two months she was able to go home for treatment ( at that point it was twice a day) eye injuries can go from great to bad in a matter of hours. We used a cath on her neck with tubing ran to her eye to put the meds in her eye so I wasn't fighting her. It made a huge difference. I also made sure I had a treat with me Everytime I went in her stall. )"( we are not treat people but this really helped her). We would have several days of great behavior then she would back slide and try to not catch in a stall for a couple of days. You have to just be really patient. Eye injuries are painful! And if they are using medicine that dialates the eye it's even worse the smallest amount of light hurts. Also her eye would do great for a few weeks then be horrible and we have to change meds again. Also we kept her on previcox that helped with the pain. Keep with it. Eye injuries stink! |
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      Location: The edge of no where | Runninbay - 2014-01-02 1:26 PM MS2011 - 2014-01-02 2:20 PM Did they tell you to keep her out of direct sunlight?
We've always sewed a flap into a flymask so that the eye is completely protected (dust, wind, sunlight will all irritate it). It seems to help them heal up faster. We've had a few that required treatment for weeks...it sucks.
We are keeping a fly mask on her but, as you know, that still allows some light in. Luckily, its been overcast almost everyday since it has appeared so that has been nice.
The flymask will help... but either sew a towel in on the side that has the ulcer or do the duct tape on the outside over that eye (that's a pretty easy fix). |
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        Location: southeast Texas | What Rodeo said. When I was battling the eye, I asked vet about the fly mask and duct tape. He said NO. The eye needs to breath and duct tape fosters humidity which bacteria thrive in. I had to keep my horse out of the sun/daylight. Turned out at night. Especially if you are Diliteing the eye. Sun can damage the eye. I feel for you. All this work and sit is no guarantee the horse will keep the eye.
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        Location: Kansas | Same here. It's been weeks and the frustrating part is it can look like we're home free one day and the next day it looks horrible again. Vet warns against too much banamine as it's hard on their kidneys.
There's a red spot the size of a pea in his eye and the eye is weepy. Gaining a little ground though. |
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  Location: Southern OK aka God's Country | Frodo - 2014-01-02 2:06 PM
Same here. It's been weeks and the frustrating part is it can look like we're home free one day and the next day it looks horrible again. Vet warns against too much banamine as it's hard on their kidneys.
There's a red spot the size of a pea in his eye and the eye is weepy. Gaining a little ground though.
I had the same frustration with a cornea injury that started in early September. I doctored and doctored and kept flymasks on it. I took her to 2 different vets for a total of 4 vet appointments (1 vet came out 3 times because I nagged at him weekly that it wasn't healing). She would seem better one day, then the next back to the same squinty, runny eye--and she was never easy about letting me doctor it b/c if you got close at all she clamped it shut. I quit doctoring it after about 3 weeks, and after about 12 weeks, it FINALLY healed up. One day I went out to feed and she had her eye open fully again like it was normal, and has been fine ever since with no spots or film. My vet kept saying it will be fine, it's healing, but I found it hard to believe it would take that long. But it did. And I worried myself sick that she was going to lose it because of so many horror stories I read online and from friends. |
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        Location: Kansas | SoonerLawyer - 2014-01-02 2:23 PM Frodo - 2014-01-02 2:06 PM Same here. It's been weeks and the frustrating part is it can look like we're home free one day and the next day it looks horrible again. Vet warns against too much banamine as it's hard on their kidneys. There's a red spot the size of a pea in his eye and the eye is weepy. Gaining a little ground though. I had the same frustration with a cornea injury that started in early September. I doctored and doctored and kept flymasks on it. I took her to 2 different vets for a total of 4 vet appointments (1 vet came out 3 times because I nagged at him weekly that it wasn't healing ). She would seem better one day, then the next back to the same squinty, runny eye--and she was never easy about letting me doctor it b/c if you got close at all she clamped it shut. I quit doctoring it after about 3 weeks, and after about 12 weeks, it FINALLY healed up. One day I went out to feed and she had her eye open fully again like it was normal, and has been fine ever since with no spots or film. My vet kept saying it will be fine, it's healing, but I found it hard to believe it would take that long. But it did. And I worried myself sick that she was going to lose it because of so many horror stories I read online and from friends.
I had the added guilt trip of knowing I had let it go too long before I began doctoring it or consulting a vet. I thought it was fly irritation and that it would go away. I hope my story ends as well as yours. When I feed the horses in the morning I immediately check the eye hoping......
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   Location: Arkansas | I would get it rechecked. Sometimes there will still be a white spot for a while after the ulcer heals. If it isn't healing, it may need a different antibiotic |
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  Location: Texas | Finally got to my computer here is a pic of the mare I was talking about from this summer This is approx. 2 weeks after I had her. The white is the amnion it actually turned red with the blood vessels reattaching and it was reabsorbed It was really neat to watch this thing heal. Even if it was a total pain in the butt to care for
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When you see a spot on the eye it is usually caused by something that has injured the eye and can be as simple as a switch from a buddies tail and a hair cut a small slit in the eye or wind blown trash.
Reading the posts .. sure surprised me that the vets did not get aggressive with antibiotics to the body and directly in the eye with a grease solution and flushing the eye with saline solutions.
The antibiotics free up white blood cells to go fight the eye problem full time while the antibiotics take care of the more minor daily germ attacks horses and humans get attacked by everyday!!
I think your vets are delaying healing by using too much anti inflammation drugs ... Bute is for the muscles and Banamine is primarily to relax the gut and internal gut functions.
And NOT A ONE OF YOU ... mentioned that your vet showed you where the tear ducts come out about 2 inches above inside the nostrils on each side of the nose and that you can use this tear duct to doctor your horses eyes with greased antibiotics or flushing with saline solution.... which also keeps the tear duct clear and not irritated .... SHAME ON THEM!! ( A 12CC syringe nozzle filled with meds or saline fit exactly into the little hole... press firmly and administer ... it may be plugged up so use enough plunger force to unplug it) If you think too much is leaking out of the corner of his eye when you administer thru the tear duct .... put sandwich bag over one hand and hold it over his eye to keep his eye closed so meds or saline will seep across his eye.
If any of these horses belonged to me ... I would be mad and stay mad and get nose to nose with the vet and demand a high antibiotic attack and plenty of antibiotic eye grease along with eye saline solution. I would also growl at him to use some plain old aspirin which takes care of specific pain to the brain nerves and inflammation and swelling which bute nor banamine will not do.. and is a lot better on long use than the other two ..... Aspirin is the only thing that handles all 3 at the same time.
I really feel sorry for the horse and owner when vets just use limited meds and rely on the inflammation products too much which are not a good thing to begin with .. it always makes me think they are delaying getting the horse well at the risk of the horse .........
For those of you that said you stopped giving the inflammation drugs ... you probably did your horse a favor so they would not decrease the good inflammation reactions that draw the fighting cells to that injured area. Inflammation is totally necessary to heal any part of the body!! ......>> EYES are tuff since the bacterial infection hides in the eye and the lense and other parts of the eye lets you see the damage but makes it difficult for meds to get in deep enough into the eye to help kill the infection!! .... read the excerpt and entire article ...
Read the following excerpt and then one of the articles I have saved for years on the use of banamine and bute and their affects ..... as you know good straight answers are tuff to find and this one is a straight shooter .....>>>
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EXCERPT ....
Inflammation is a natural and intricate series of biochemical reactions that takes place in all animals as a response to injury. The process involves complex reactions between local damaged cells, blood vessels, inflammatory cells and biochemical signals sent and received from both near the site of injury and far from it. The first results of inflammation include opening of blood vessels to the area, increased leakiness of blood vessels resulting in swelling, and attraction of infection fighting cells to the site. Products of inflammation include prostaglandins and other inflammatory mediators that help bring about these effects. Some of these mediators directly cause pain. All of these products of inflammation are intended to rid the body of infection or injury, and to prepare it to for healing.
Inflammation is a natural process and it is critical for survival. The problem is that often this process becomes excessive, creating a vicious cycle and causing more tissue damage, pain and suffering than the injury itself might. This is where anti-inflammatory drugs are helpful. Their role is to dampen inflammation by reducing the formation of mediators, and thus reducing the signs of disease (swelling, pain and fever, for example) while still allowing healing to take place.
http://thalequine.com/bute-and-banamine-what-horse-owners-should-kn...
GOOD LUCK GUYS ... GET MAD AND LET YOUR VETS HAVE IT WITH BOTH BARRELS AND GET AGGRESSIVE ON YOUR HORSES EYES ...!!
FYI: ..................................................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Something else I wanted to mention but could not say it better than the following .... THREE EYELIDS .........................>>>>
The eyelids are made up of three layers of tissue: a thin layer of skin, which is covered in hair, a layer of muscles which allow the lid to open and close, and the palpebral conjunctiva, which lies against the eyeball. The opening between the two lids forms the palpebral fissue. The upper eyelid is larger and can move more than the lower lid. Unlike humans, horses also have a third eyelid (nictitating membrane) to protect the cornea. It lies on the inside corner of the eye, and closes diagonally over it.
The lacrimal apparatus produces tears, providing nutrition and moisture to the eye, as well as helping to remove any debris that may have entered. The apparatus includes the lacrimal gland and the accessory lacrimal gland, which produce the tears. Blinking spreads the fluid over the eye, before it drains via the nasolacrimal duct, which carries the lacrimal fluid into the nostril of the horse.[4]
The ocular muscles allow the eye to move within the skull.
GET MEAN ... IT IS YOUR HORSE !!
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       Location: Georgia | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-01-02 10:27 PM As many have said ... delaying treatment when you see eye problems can be a disaster. When you see a spot on the eye it is usually caused by something that has injured the eye and can be as simple as a switch from a buddies tail and a hair cut a small slit in the eye or wind blown trash. Reading the posts .. sure surprised me that the vets did not get aggressive with antibiotics to the body and directly in the eye with a grease solution and flushing the eye with saline solutions. The antibiotics free up white blood cells to go fight the eye problem full time while the antibiotics take care of the more minor daily germ attacks horses and humans get attacked by everyday!! I think your vets are delaying healing by using too much anti inflammation drugs ... Bute is for the muscles and Banamine is primarily to relax the gut and internal gut functions. And NOT A ONE OF YOU ... mentioned that your vet showed you where the tear ducts come out about 2 inches above inside the nostrils on each side of the nose and that you can use this tear duct to doctor your horses eyes with greased antibiotics or flushing with saline solution.... which also keeps the tear duct clear and not irritated .... SHAME ON THEM!! ( A 12CC syringe nozzle filled with meds or saline fit exactly into the little hole... press firmly and administer ... it may be plugged up so use enough plunger force to unplug it ) If you think too much is leaking out of the corner of his eye when you administer thru the tear duct .... put sandwich bag over one hand and hold it over his eye to keep his eye closed so meds or saline will seep across his eye. If any of these horses belonged to me ... I would be mad and stay mad and get nose to nose with the vet and demand a high antibiotic attack and plenty of antibiotic eye grease along with eye saline solution. I would also growl at him to use some plain old aspirin which takes care of specific pain to the brain nerves and inflammation and swelling which bute nor banamine will not do.. and is a lot better on long use than the other two ..... Aspirin is the only thing that handles all 3 at the same time. I really feel sorry for the horse and owner when vets just use limited meds and rely on the inflammation products too much which are not a good thing to begin with .. it always makes me think they are delaying getting the horse well at the risk of the horse ......... For those of you that said you stopped giving the inflammation drugs ... you probably did your horse a favor so they would not decrease the good inflammation reactions that draw the fighting cells to that injured area. Inflammation is totally necessary to heal any part of the body!! ......>> EYES are tuff since the bacterial infection hides in the eye and the lense and other parts of the eye lets you see the damage but makes it difficult for meds to get in deep enough into the eye to help kill the infection!! .... read the excerpt and entire article ... Read the following excerpt and then one of the articles I have saved for years on the use of banamine and bute and their affects ..... as you know good straight answers are tuff to find and this one is a straight shooter .....>>> *************************************************************** EXCERPT .... Inflammation is a natural and intricate series of biochemical reactions that takes place in all animals as a response to injury. The process involves complex reactions between local damaged cells, blood vessels, inflammatory cells and biochemical signals sent and received from both near the site of injury and far from it. The first results of inflammation include opening of blood vessels to the area, increased leakiness of blood vessels resulting in swelling, and attraction of infection fighting cells to the site. Products of inflammation include prostaglandins and other inflammatory mediators that help bring about these effects. Some of these mediators directly cause pain. All of these products of inflammation are intended to rid the body of infection or injury, and to prepare it to for healing. Inflammation is a natural process and it is critical for survival. The problem is that often this process becomes excessive, creating a vicious cycle and causing more tissue damage, pain and suffering than the injury itself might. This is where anti-inflammatory drugs are helpful. Their role is to dampen inflammation by reducing the formation of mediators, and thus reducing the signs of disease (swelling, pain and fever, for example ) while still allowing healing to take place. http://thalequine.com/bute-and-banamine-what-horse-owners-should-kn... GOOD LUCK GUYS ... GET MAD AND LET YOUR VETS HAVE IT WITH BOTH BARRELS AND GET AGGRESSIVE ON YOUR HORSES EYES ...!! FYI: ..................................................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something else I wanted to mention but could not say it better than the following .... THREE EYELIDS .........................>>>> The eyelids are made up of three layers of tissue: a thin layer of skin, which is covered in hair, a layer of muscles which allow the lid to open and close, and the palpebral conjunctiva, which lies against the eyeball. The opening between the two lids forms the palpebral fissue. The upper eyelid is larger and can move more than the lower lid. Unlike humans, horses also have a third eyelid (nictitating membrane ) to protect the cornea. It lies on the inside corner of the eye, and closes diagonally over it. The lacrimal apparatus produces tears, providing nutrition and moisture to the eye, as well as helping to remove any debris that may have entered. The apparatus includes the lacrimal gland and the accessory lacrimal gland, which produce the tears. Blinking spreads the fluid over the eye, before it drains via the nasolacrimal duct, which carries the lacrimal fluid into the nostril of the horse.[4] The ocular muscles allow the eye to move within the skull. GET MEAN ... IT IS YOUR HORSE !!
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        Location: Kansas | Very interesting. Is the saline solution something you get from the vet or is it available at any drug store?
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