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Location: Montana | I just got around to reading my last month's Western Horseman magazine, and saw an advertisement for an A.A.S. degree in Horse Training Management-Barrel Horse Training ( http://www.lamarcc.edu/academics/occupational-programs/horse-traini... ). Would you go and get a degree in that or do you know enough as it is? This is a personal preference question, I just thought it was cool because it is supposed to be the first of its kind as far as a degree in barrel horse training goes.
ETA: No as far as making more money goes, but as for learning how to train barrel horses and be able to do that more capably? It isn't something I personally am necessarily seriously looking at, but had never heard of such a thing before...seeing if any of you had and what you thought of it. :)
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| Just because you have a degree, doesn't mean anyone will think much of it. Most people will look for accomplishments over a piece of paper. |
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Location: on my horse | Anymore, you can go to school for just about anything. Doesn't mean that on the other end you'll have much to show for it besides an empty pocketbook (about where I'm feeling like I'm at now!)
If you were already an established adult with extra time and money and wanted to learn how to make a barrel horse or were interested in going back to school and needed to pick up a few extra credits I think something like this could be fun. |
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Location: Montana | I had never seen anything like this before. I agree, qualifications over a piece of paper is better any day. |
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Location: MD | I wouldn't do it thinking that it would help me get more clients, or get a job with an established trainer. It might be a great way for someone to learn new techniques and tools, however. |
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| Do you know who will be teaching the class? I ask because if it was a well known accomplished barrel racer or horse trainer, it might be a feather in your hat. |
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Location: NC | I would do it if money was not an issue. Just for the experience. People may not care about a degree/certification down the road, but I'm sure it would be fun to do. If just for the business related classes you would take. Looks like they spend a few classes on how to run the business side, which would come in handy if you're planning on doing some outside training down the road. |
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Location: South Central Florida | Maybe if I were young. I don't think a degree is for the piece of paper. It's for the knowledge. Looking at the course study, there is a lot of general aggrucultural business information there. Record keeping, tracking, learning information that is not just related to sitting on a horse.
I'm big on education though. Like any degree, it's only as good as you are, just knowledge you have to USE, not just tell people "yeah, I studied that".
If you learn, and use that knowledge to move forward and make a careear.
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Location: Texas | I wouldn't do it. then again I'm knee deep in student loans in vet school so lots wouldn't do that either! In another semester I will be waist deep.. by 2017 I'll be up to my eyeballs! |
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Location: Montana | Swannranch - 2013-12-27 7:56 PM Maybe if I were young. I don't think a degree is for the piece of paper. It's for the knowledge. Looking at the course study, there is a lot of general aggrucultural business information there. Record keeping, tracking, learning information that is not just related to sitting on a horse.
I'm big on education though. Like any degree, it's only as good as you are, just knowledge you have to USE, not just tell people "yeah, I studied that".
If you learn, and use that knowledge to move forward and make a careear.
I couldn't agree with you more on that point!  An A.A.S is Associate of Applied Science degree.
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Location: NC | Swannranch - 2013-12-27 9:57 PM
What I don't know is what an A.A.S. is? Associate of Arts & Science??? I know AA, and I know AS. It's probably on the college page, just didn't read that far.
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Location: sunny california | I think it could be a good thing if they really focused on how to be a PROFESSIONAL I see too many people try the "training thing" but do not know how to deal with people on a professional level, nor do they have the proper work ethic to develop into a great "trainer" Some of these trainers have accomplishments but they end up withmore empty stalls than filled stalls and ads in craigslist because they can't keep their clients. Some of the best trainers I have known really didn't have much in accomplishments per say... there is a difference in being a great rider and being a great trainer. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Anything that legitimizes the horse industry is good. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Speaking from my personal experience with students that have "graduated" out of two "local" colleges with "Equine" degrees is that they aren't even able to clean a stall OR get (or keep) a job in the horse industry .....WORTHLESS ! ! ! It would have to be taught by a "reputable" winning barrel racer to hold any credence in the barrel racing community......If you have money to "waste"....go for it....... |
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| 'Book learning' doesn't mean you have the patience, feel or athletic ability to be a good horse trainer. I would rather spend my money finding a reputable trainer that I could intern/apprentice with for a period of time. However, if that was my only option to perhaps learn something, then yes I would. When I was young, a million years ago, I would have jumped on this because there were very few options available to learn horses except from trial and error. |
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Location: Somewhere around here | I went to this college and graduated in 2012. That was the same year that they started up the barrel racing degree and if I had the extra money I would go back and do it. I have the Horse Training & Management degree and I have to admit, it hasn't helped me get any jobs, but I'm confident on starting my own colts and not paying someone who will put the first 30 - 90 rides on them. A friend of mine graduated from the HTM degree and went straight into the barrel racing degree. She said that she has learned so much and she is going to be interning with Sheri Cervi for her last semester. Also Marilyn Camarillo is the main instructor for the BR degree. She is an amazing teacher and a great woman to work with. If you don't know her then you should definitely look her up.
Also, this school doesn't spit out students with horse degrees that don't know how to tack up their horse or clean out a stall properly. Everyone is required to take a breeding class, a regular horse health class, and more. There is even a certificate if you would want to work with weanlings. Of course there's going to be a few bad eggs but if they are truly that bad then they get kicked out. Show up to class late too many times, you're kicked out. Don't like cleaning your stall every day, you're kicked out. They take the horses seriously here and if you're a student there, you are expected to act like a professional (or at least a professional in training).
There's three degree's in total and it's possible to do all of them if you really wanted to. There's Horse Training & Management where you break and train someone's colt (or your own if you bring it) and you get a semester to train a horse is a specific class. There's Equine Business & Management where you ride broke horses but you refine their skills and you have regular classes on more of the business side, and now there's the Barrel Racing Degree.
If you think you know enough about horses and training a barrel horse, then you obviously don't. Every great horse rider, trainer, breeder, or anyone will say that you never stop learning and you learn something new every day. This college might not be the top in the country or is on everyone's list, but it's nothing to over-look either.
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Location: Montana | cecollins0811 - 2013-12-28 9:27 AM I went to this college and graduated in 2012. That was the same year that they started up the barrel racing degree and if I had the extra money I would go back and do it. I have the Horse Training & Management degree and I have to admit, it hasn't helped me get any jobs, but I'm confident on starting my own colts and not paying someone who will put the first 30 - 90 rides on them. A friend of mine graduated from the HTM degree and went straight into the barrel racing degree. She said that she has learned so much and she is going to be interning with Sheri Cervi for her last semester. Also Marilyn Camarillo is the main instructor for the BR degree. She is an amazing teacher and a great woman to work with. If you don't know her then you should definitely look her up. Also, this school doesn't spit out students with horse degrees that don't know how to tack up their horse or clean out a stall properly. Everyone is required to take a breeding class, a regular horse health class, and more. There is even a certificate if you would want to work with weanlings. Of course there's going to be a few bad eggs but if they are truly that bad then they get kicked out. Show up to class late too many times, you're kicked out. Don't like cleaning your stall every day, you're kicked out. They take the horses seriously here and if you're a student there, you are expected to act like a professional (or at least a professional in training). There's three degree's in total and it's possible to do all of them if you really wanted to. There's Horse Training & Management where you break and train someone's colt (or your own if you bring it) and you get a semester to train a horse is a specific class. There's Equine Business & Management where you ride broke horses but you refine their skills and you have regular classes on more of the business side, and now there's the Barrel Racing Degree. If you think you know enough about horses and training a barrel horse, then you obviously don't. Every great horse rider, trainer, breeder, or anyone will say that you never stop learning and you learn something new every day. This college might not be the top in the country or is on everyone's list, but it's nothing to over-look either.
Thanks for your input, especially where you went therer yourself. Is Marilyn Camarillo related to Sharon Camarillo? I was curious about that. |
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Location: Phoenix | If I had some extra time and money, I would do it. You can never learn enough! |
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Location: Somewhere around here | mtcanchazer - 2013-12-28 12:35 PM
cecollins0811 - 2013-12-28 9:27 AM I went to this college and graduated in 2012. That was the same year that they started up the barrel racing degree and if I had the extra money I would go back and do it. I have the Horse Training & Management degree and I have to admit, it hasn't helped me get any jobs, but I'm confident on starting my own colts and not paying someone who will put the first 30 - 90 rides on them. A friend of mine graduated from the HTM degree and went straight into the barrel racing degree. She said that she has learned so much and she is going to be interning with Sheri Cervi for her last semester. Also Marilyn Camarillo is the main instructor for the BR degree. She is an amazing teacher and a great woman to work with. If you don't know her then you should definitely look her up. Also, this school doesn't spit out students with horse degrees that don't know how to tack up their horse or clean out a stall properly. Everyone is required to take a breeding class, a regular horse health class, and more. There is even a certificate if you would want to work with weanlings. Of course there's going to be a few bad eggs but if they are truly that bad then they get kicked out. Show up to class late too many times, you're kicked out. Don't like cleaning your stall every day, you're kicked out. They take the horses seriously here and if you're a student there, you are expected to act like a professional (or at least a professional in training). There's three degree's in total and it's possible to do all of them if you really wanted to. There's Horse Training & Management where you break and train someone's colt (or your own if you bring it) and you get a semester to train a horse is a specific class. There's Equine Business & Management where you ride broke horses but you refine their skills and you have regular classes on more of the business side, and now there's the Barrel Racing Degree. If you think you know enough about horses and training a barrel horse, then you obviously don't. Every great horse rider, trainer, breeder, or anyone will say that you never stop learning and you learn something new every day. This college might not be the top in the country or is on everyone's list, but it's nothing to over-look either.
Thanks for your input, especially where you went therer yourself. Is Marilyn Camarillo related to Sharon Camarillo? I was curious about that.
It's a little confusing but I'll do my best. There were some Camarillo brothers in the horse/rodeo business a while ago. Marilyn married one and Sharon married the other but the both ended up divorcing the men. I'm not too sure why both women decided to keep the last name. |
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| cecollins0811 - 2013-12-28 12:47 PM mtcanchazer - 2013-12-28 12:35 PM cecollins0811 - 2013-12-28 9:27 AM I went to this college and graduated in 2012. That was the same year that they started up the barrel racing degree and if I had the extra money I would go back and do it. I have the Horse Training & Management degree and I have to admit, it hasn't helped me get any jobs, but I'm confident on starting my own colts and not paying someone who will put the first 30 - 90 rides on them. A friend of mine graduated from the HTM degree and went straight into the barrel racing degree. She said that she has learned so much and she is going to be interning with Sheri Cervi for her last semester. Also Marilyn Camarillo is the main instructor for the BR degree. She is an amazing teacher and a great woman to work with. If you don't know her then you should definitely look her up. Also, this school doesn't spit out students with horse degrees that don't know how to tack up their horse or clean out a stall properly. Everyone is required to take a breeding class, a regular horse health class, and more. There is even a certificate if you would want to work with weanlings. Of course there's going to be a few bad eggs but if they are truly that bad then they get kicked out. Show up to class late too many times, you're kicked out. Don't like cleaning your stall every day, you're kicked out. They take the horses seriously here and if you're a student there, you are expected to act like a professional (or at least a professional in training). There's three degree's in total and it's possible to do all of them if you really wanted to. There's Horse Training & Management where you break and train someone's colt (or your own if you bring it) and you get a semester to train a horse is a specific class. There's Equine Business & Management where you ride broke horses but you refine their skills and you have regular classes on more of the business side, and now there's the Barrel Racing Degree. If you think you know enough about horses and training a barrel horse, then you obviously don't. Every great horse rider, trainer, breeder, or anyone will say that you never stop learning and you learn something new every day. This college might not be the top in the country or is on everyone's list, but it's nothing to over-look either. Thanks for your input, especially where you went therer yourself. Is Marilyn Camarillo related to Sharon Camarillo? I was curious about that. It's a little confusing but I'll do my best. There were some Camarillo brothers in the horse/rodeo business a while ago. Marilyn married one and Sharon married the other but the both ended up divorcing the men. I'm not too sure why both women decided to keep the last name.
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