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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Does anyone know if they will be asking for mares to be tested in the future? Like 2 or 3 years down the road?  |
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Location: sunny california | I think one day if sire and dam don't have n/n across the board then they will hold the papers hostage on the foal. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | kwanatha - 2014-01-03 4:21 PM
I think one day if sire and dam don't have n/n across the board then they will hold the papers hostage on the foal.Â
I don't think any of us will live long enough to see that happen. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | kwanatha - 2014-01-03 4:21 PM I think one day if sire and dam don't have n/n across the board then they will hold the papers hostage on the foal.
Haha someone will just threaten to take them to court and that will be over.  |
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Location: sunny california | OregonBR - 2014-01-03 9:16 PM kwanatha - 2014-01-03 4:21 PM I think one day if sire and dam don't have n/n across the board then they will hold the papers hostage on the foal. Haha someone will just threaten to take them to court and that will be over.
oh ya just sue them |
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Location: So. California | I think it's in the 5 year plan. 2014 stallions breeding 25+ mares, 2015 all stallions and mares soon to follow... Why not require testing on the mares as well in the future? It's a pretty simple genetic test and they are not banning carriers/double positives (HYPP already has a rule). You have to DNA type the mare anyway if you are breeding. 
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Location: ND | it's incredibly expensive and what's the point.....just another ridiculous test that has no real value to the big picture......they still won't get rid of N/H breeding horses, much less any of these others......i would like to know how much the AQHA gets from each one of these tests...... |
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Location: in the ozone | After purchasing a young horse & then having major issues with it & had it tested (Pssm+), I was VERY irate that breeders are not conscientious enough to be sure their breeding stock are N/N on everything that is known out there. JMO |
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Location: Texas | I am glad that the testing is being required. It is expensive but prevents the expense/heartache of trying to manage a disease. I have been getting all of our breeding stock tested and won't breed to a stallion unless he is tested and n/n on the 5 panel. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I agree with the testing of stallions. I ordered the test kit for HAB last Friday. I don't "have" to do it until 2015. But I want to. I also want to do my mares. When I ordered the test I asked if they had plans to test mares. He didn't know. I was just curious.  |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I haven't been able to find anything about testing mares being required. My guess is that they will eventually require mares to be done too. Maybe lime they did with the DNA. (Mares born on X date or after, then adding a year every year until they are all (or mostly all) done. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | dhdqhllc - 2014-01-04 6:39 PM it's incredibly expensive and what's the point.....just another ridiculous test that has no real value to the big picture......they still won't get rid of N/H breeding horses, much less any of these others......i would like to know how much the AQHA gets from each one of these tests......
More than likely they won't refuse to register or otherwise restrict positive horses. BUT they will share the results of the tests with people who call and ask. I specifically asked that. So if you are planning to breed to a stallion whose owners don't openly share his test results, call AQHA and ask. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | psaaat - 2014-01-04 7:23 PM I am glad that the testing is being required. It is expensive but prevents the expense/heartache of trying to manage a disease. I have been getting all of our breeding stock tested and won't breed to a stallion unless he is tested and n/n on the 5 panel.
Correct me if I'm wrong, don't you breed mostly race bred horses? How common is it to find a racebred stallion who has already been tested at this point? I'm looking around for a stallion to breed a couple of my older mares to. I haven't seen any advertising with the 5 panel results listed. |
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | OregonBR - 2014-01-04 10:17 PM
dhdqhllc - 2014-01-04 6:39 PM it's incredibly expensive and what's the point.....just another ridiculous test that has no real value to the big picture......they still won't get rid of N/H breeding horses, much less any of these others......i would like to know how much the AQHA gets from each one of these tests......
More than likely they won't refuse to register or otherwise restrict positive horses. BUT they will share the results of the tests with people who call and ask. I specifically asked that. So if you are planning to breed to a stallion whose owners don't openly share his test results, call AQHA and ask.Â
I called and asked the results of a stallions 5 panel test and they refused to tell me. So if the results aren't public what good is is other than a revenue generator? |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | GoGaited - 2014-01-05 2:39 PM OregonBR - 2014-01-04 10:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-04 6:39 PM it's incredibly expensive and what's the point.....just another ridiculous test that has no real value to the big picture......they still won't get rid of N/H breeding horses, much less any of these others......i would like to know how much the AQHA gets from each one of these tests...... More than likely they won't refuse to register or otherwise restrict positive horses. BUT they will share the results of the tests with people who call and ask. I specifically asked that. So if you are planning to breed to a stallion whose owners don't openly share his test results, call AQHA and ask. I called and asked the results of a stallions 5 panel test and they refused to tell me. So if the results aren't public what good is is other than a revenue generator?
That's strange. I specifically asked him would they share the results with people. He said YES. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Like I said on another thread, the whole testing is somewhat stupid until they get a test for PSSM 2. There are going to be 1000's of breeders advertising their horses are neg on the 5 panel and then some poor sap is going to end up with a foal with PSSM 2 and be miffed all over again. Until they can get an easy affordable test for PSSM 2, forcing the 5 panel is a moot point. |
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| It is all about the money ....
AQHA spent all that money last year with a foreign IT bunch for a new Obamacare type computer software package and they got it stuck to them really bad ...
Again AQHA and the cloning guys went to court and AQHA is supposed to pay for their attorney fees etc etc and got it stuck to them again .... which they knew they would ...
BOTH OF THE ABOVE LOOK LIKE PAYBACK SHAMS TO ME ... AQHA KNOWS THEY CAN RAISE FEES ... WHICH THEY DID ... TO KEEP THEM AND THEIR BUDDIES ALL WITH COUNTRY CLUB MEMBERSHIPS ... AT MEMBERS EXPENSE ...
AQHA is like our government .... the same old frogs control what happens from behind closed doors and draw big salaries and go country clubbing like Obama does while they have a little old guy that kissed butt for 5-6 put up a façade as the president of the association ....
TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE AND LET THEM START THEIR OWN HALTER AND WESTERN PLEASURE GROUP ... and hire someone that will open the AQHA back up to arena and race horses ... and locate an office in Ft Worth instead of way out in Amarillo so no one can see what they are doing ...
JUST FOLLOW THE MONEY TRIAL ...
Take the 5 panel testing ..... WHERE ARE THE SUPPOSEDLY LONG LIST OF DEAD OR SICK HORSES ... PSSM IS THE CURRENT FAD DISEASE SO SKIP IT FOR RIGHT NOW ...
It is like the MAD COW DISEASE ... took a jillion dollars to find 5 cows that had been dead for 2-5 years ... yet they could trace these back to baby calves ... what a crock ... and guess who paid for this nonsense and still paying ... tax payers, cattlemen and any one that eats beef ....
If you are gullible and believe all that crap ... don't growl at me ... just ask ... How many horses had each of these problems over the past 5-10 years?? and show your facts with horses pedigree, date of death, state and vet name ......>>> not some youtube baloney ....
Headed to my bomb shelter.. >>>> |
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Location: Burns, WY | Barellhorse USA, once again your ignorance show through. $85 is far from being a money grab for anyone as AQHA might only see $5 or $10 from that money if even that, but they still have to pay salaries and such, so they really aren't making anything off of the 5 panel. Also, the rest of that money goes to UC Davis to pay for their equipment, facilities and personnel so that they can do these tests. Plus developing these tests is not cheap as well.
Next, as far as these genetic diseases killing horses, yep they do. Get a foal that is positive for GBED and it will be lucky to make it two weeks or you could end up with a mare having a late term abortion, and here you waited 10 to 11 months for a foal only to lose it because the mare aborted or lose it because it can't function properly.
Next, take a HERDA positive foal. They'll eventually have to be put down and here you may have spent $3000 on up on stud fees and mare care and shipping and such only to have a foal that you can't get the full value from later on in life.
Now, when it comes to the dominant genetic diseases, horses die all the time from these dominant genetic diseases. MH can cause a horse to overheat and just drop dead while breeding or out in the pasture. I've witnessed a foal dying because of HYPP, it isn't pretty and not something that I think any horse should have to go through. Then horses are euthanised because of PSSM because PSSM brought on other issues or they were treated incorrectly by a vet while having an attack or supposed "colic" or they got to the point that they could no longer be managed to where they were comfortable. Heck, some of these PSSM horses have become violent and have put their owners or friends or their owners into the hospital.
Personally, I'd be more then happy to put $5 or $10 into AQHA's pockets if it means that stallions and evetually mares will probably be tested just to raise awareness of genetic diseases, so that people will start to hopefully select away from many of these genetic diseases. |
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Location: Burns, WY | Just like I had a friend who put her mare on a breed lease. The mare foaled out and the foal lived about 2 weeks and the vet said it sucumbed because its lungs weren't properly developed But the foal was also very sickly. Well last year she did the 5 panel on her mare only to discover that the mare was a GBED carrier. There is a very good chance that foal was born and was actually GBED positive. Of course the GBED test hadn't been developed when that foal was born.
I know of many stories about people's losses of PSSM positive horses and like I said, I witnessed a foal dying from HYPP. I'm more then happy to test and to know.
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