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Location: Kansas | ....who are funding your extended vacation. Seems as a birthday present to his wife Barry O came home with the girls but Michelle stayed. Air Force One, entourage, daily expenses......all after a two-week multi-million dollar vacation with her family. Seems there is no end to the luxuries the Obama's love and the rest of us can't afford.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Here we go again....Without mentioning any "specific" names, I really think that you NEED to do a little research on PAST Presidents and the amount of time and dollars spent on their vacations...... Just saying....... | |
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Location: Kansas | NJJ - 2014-01-05 6:22 PM Here we go again....Without mentioning any "specific" names, I really think that you NEED to do a little research on PAST Presidents and the amount of time and dollars spent on their vacations...... Just saying.......
No past president has been sitting on a 17 trillion dollar debt with no end in sight as far as out-of-control spending. Huge difference.
Wouldn't we all love to be in Hawaii. It's minus 2 degrees here.
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| Went out and did a little research. It seems that his employer, us, pays for his and her extended vacations. Does not cost them a dime. My employer has never sent me on an all expense paid vacation to Hawaii, has yours? He is not concerned about the national debt, he has said that. I'm not too worried about it either because it will never be lowered to any degree in my lifetime, but my children and grandchildren will pay the price. So for that I am concerned. The only way to stop this dictatorship is too vote to give the GOP control of the Senate in November. Please people, wake up! | |
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Location: Gonzales texas | I'm not going to bother with research! I've never heard of a president going to Hawaii for 17 days. Then leaving the first Lady there for more fun. any other president from either party would be criticized to the inth degree. Some of my friends health care just went up 60 to 98%. I've never heard of that either. And on it goes ... And he needs to go !! Actually we d be better off if he stayed in Hawaii for the next 3 years!! | |
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| Exactly! They did not come from money and have never lived high on the hog until now, at our expense. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | shelltc - 2014-01-06 8:01 AM I'm not going to bother with research! I've never heard of a president going to Hawaii for 17 days. Then leaving the first Lady there for more fun. any other president from either party would be criticized to the inth degree. Some of my friends health care just went up 60 to 98%. I've never heard of that either. And on it goes ... And he needs to go !! Actually we d be better off if he stayed in Hawaii for the next 3 years!!
—14: Number of vacation trips taken by Obama since he took office in January 2009. —92: Number of days, all or in part, Obama has spent on vacation. —57: Number of vacation trips taken by Bush at this same point in his presidency. —50: Number of visits Bush made to his ranch in Crawford, Texas. —323: Number of days, all or in part, Bush spent at the ranch. —7: Number of trips Bush made to his family’s compound in Kennebunkport, Maine. —26: Number of days, all or in part, Bush spent in Maine. Unfortunately you SHOULD do a little research before making statements........Of course, this comparison is only up to August of 2013 so it doesn't include this past trip. Hawaii is a STATE just like TX was for Bush......just warmer........
Additionally, I applaud the person who said....get out and make sure "your" member of Congress is elected in fall 2014.......
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Location: Florida.. | Frodo - 2014-01-06 7:46 AM NJJ - 2014-01-05 6:22 PM Here we go again....Without mentioning any "specific" names, I really think that you NEED to do a little research on PAST Presidents and the amount of time and dollars spent on their vacations...... Just saying.......
Wouldn't we all love to be in Hawaii. It's minus 2 degrees here.
Have to agree with this.. the times have changed and we are in deep trouble and to many have lost everything thanks to obama.. slap in the face.. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ is right. I would prefer to focus on the real substantive things with this bunch. For example, on FB I get this feed from a group called "Politicus USA" or something like that. I see everything from the point of view of the extreme left, and it is full of hatred, gross distortions, half truths, and flat-out lies. I read it and at first it makes my blood boil, then I calm down and actually start to think. Yesterday, there was a thread on there where they were talking about another "far right" group that supposedly posted some ugly racist poster of Obama with a noose around his neck. I couldn't verify whether it was real (the group, that is) or fabricated, but that got them all agitated and reeling against the far right. The "racist" accusations started to spew out, but there was very little in terms of factual information. I decided to get into get in there and post. I felt like a goldfish in a school of pirhanas. I carefully, and irrefutably pointed out how GW Bush was hung in effigy and how there were posters calling for his execution and how GW Bush was a "war criminal" and deserved to be hung, etc.... I asked them to google it and see for themselves. I also pointed out that many people around the world are calling Obama a war criminal for his use of drones to kill terrorists and how innocents were also killed. They tried to turn it around by saying that the GOP was the party of racism, etc... Of course, I pointed out how it was the Democrat party that was the source of most racists in the 50s and 60s and named several prominent Dem leaders and pointed out there blatant brazen racism.....Wallace, Fullbright, Byrd, and several others. I also pointed out how it was the GOP that overwhelmingly voted for the 14th ammendment.....the Dems who overwhelmingly supported the fugitive slave laws of the 1850s, Lincoln was a Republican, and how the GOP was why the civil rights act was voted into law. I pointed out how liberal racism was being used even today and used the example of Mitt Romney and his Black grandaughter and how it was a liberal MSNBC commentator who made the remarks. I ended up by saying, something like "Look folks, we are all citizens of the same country, and yet we are divided like never before. If we don't start to look at things more objectively and genuinely begin to discuss problems and issues we will keep circling the drain......" Many people engaged me and I just came back with facts, etc... I even got a few "thumbs up", but for the most part they just went on with baseless accusations and heresay. I have to say, when I was finished over there, I felt pretty good!
It's easy to get all agitated about things like the Hawaii vacation, but it really just kind of weakens our credibility in a way. There is a treasure trove of issues on which we can focus sharply and make some headway. If we all fall into the trap of just slinging barbs at things that are comparatively insignificant, then we are playing into the Obamunists hands. I think that's what they want. Anything to take the focus off the real meaty issues like ObamaCare, etc.... Sure, Obama's vacations and lavish lifestyle is tempting; I fall into that trap myself, but if we get all focused on those sorts of thing, it accomplishes exactly what the Obamunists want and takes the focus off things that matter most to all of us. | |
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| Its the lavishness of his vacations. Golf resorts costing $78,000 a day, skiing in Aspen. And the split vacations or trips where we are charged doubly for secret service, transportation, lodging like when the daughters went to Atlantis in the Bahamas and when Michelle went to Spain and Europe, by herself. I think we have to take the whole family's trips into account. At least when Bush went home to Texas, he was chopping wood and I'm pretty sure they didn't have to bill us for lodging, meals, entertainment. Sorry, but no comparison. The Obamas are enjoying living like fatcats and you know it. | |
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| Our country was created on the belief that we can all be whatever we are willing to work hard enough to be. When did it start being acceptable that a few of us would get up early, go to work, pay our taxes and hand it over to the government to hand to the ones not willing to get up and go to work everyday. Do we as a country really agree that expanding the limits to qualify for Welfare, extending unemployment benefits is the way to go? I for one expect that if you are able bodied, you should work and not expect the rest of us to keep you up. I don't mind and do give to charity, when someone is down, but I don't expect them to make it a life choice to live on someone elses dollar. And to call the ones of us out there working everyday, THE HAVES! Yes, I have. I have a check I get twice a month which is hardly enough to get by on and I'm sorry but I'm not willing to hand over any bigger portion of it to provide someone with health insurance or food stamps or a Welfare check. That's not being greedy or coldhearted. It's survival. I take care of me and mine, and you do the same. Are there people who really don't mind higher taxes and higher insurance rates, deductibles and co-pays, just so the HAVE NOTS can have what we have? Then those people must have a whole different lifestyle than mine. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 9:51 AM NJJ is right. I would prefer to focus on the real substantive things with this bunch. For example, on FB I get this feed from a group called "Politicus USA" or something like that. I see everything from the point of view of the extreme left, and it is full of hatred, gross distortions, half truths, and flat-out lies. I read it and at first it makes my blood boil, then I calm down and actually start to think. Yesterday, there was a thread on there where they were talking about another "far right" group that supposedly posted some ugly racist poster of Obama with a noose around his neck. I couldn't verify whether it was real (the group, that is) or fabricated, but that got them all agitated and reeling against the far right. The "racist" accusations started to spew out, but there was very little in terms of factual information. I decided to get into get in there and post. I felt like a goldfish in a school of pirhanas. I carefully, and irrefutably pointed out how GW Bush was hung in effigy and how there were posters calling for his execution and how GW Bush was a "war criminal" and deserved to be hung, etc.... I asked them to google it and see for themselves. I also pointed out that many people around the world are calling Obama a war criminal for his use of drones to kill terrorists and how innocents were also killed. They tried to turn it around by saying that the GOP was the party of racism, etc... Of course, I pointed out how it was the Democrat party that was the source of most racists in the 50s and 60s and named several prominent Dem leaders and pointed out there blatant brazen racism.....Wallace, Fullbright, Byrd, and several others. I also pointed out how it was the GOP that overwhelmingly voted for the 14th ammendment.....the Dems who overwhelmingly supported the fugitive slave laws of the 1850s, Lincoln was a Republican, and how the GOP was why the civil rights act was voted into law. I pointed out how liberal racism was being used even today and used the example of Mitt Romney and his Black grandaughter and how it was a liberal MSNBC commentator who made the remarks. I ended up by saying, something like "Look folks, we are all citizens of the same country, and yet we are divided like never before. If we don't start to look at things more objectively and genuinely begin to discuss problems and issues we will keep circling the drain......" Many people engaged me and I just came back with facts, etc... I even got a few "thumbs up", but for the most part they just went on with baseless accusations and heresay. I have to say, when I was finished over there, I felt pretty good!
It's easy to get all agitated about things like the Hawaii vacation, but it really just kind of weakens our credibility in a way. There is a treasure trove of issues on which we can focus sharply and make some headway. If we all fall into the trap of just slinging barbs at things that are comparatively insignificant, then we are playing into the Obamunists hands. I think that's what they want. Anything to take the focus off the real meaty issues like ObamaCare, etc.... Sure, Obama's vacations and lavish lifestyle is tempting; I fall into that trap myself, but if we get all focused on those sorts of thing, it accomplishes exactly what the Obamunists want and takes the focus off things that matter most to all of us.
 However, I am afraid that your insight is falling on DEAF ears because it is sooooooo much easier to sit on the computer and p*ff and moan about the President and his trips and play the "blame game" than to ACTUALLY try to do something about the issues that ARE important......You can liken it to a dog chasing his tail.......probably never going to catch it.........LOL | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here, Norma, listen to this. I think this addresses what you and I are saying, when you really think about it. This is very well stated and thought-provoking. Dhdqhllc sent me this on FB:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52b_1329796059
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 10:41 AM Here, Norma, listen to this. I think this addresses what you and I are saying, when you really think about it. This is very well stated and thought-provoking. Dhdqhllc sent me this on FB:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52b_1329796059
A good "listen"....The party system boils down to lies and POWER....pretty much sums it up....I agreed almost to the end until Ron Paul was suggested....hmmmm....not so sure about that.....LOL | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Whether you like him or not, it's hard to call Paul's honesty and sincerity into question. That is very rare and refreshing in today's politics. | |
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Location: Kansas | NJJ - 2014-01-06 10:28 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 9:51 AM NJJ is right. I would prefer to focus on the real substantive things with this bunch. For example, on FB I get this feed from a group called "Politicus USA" or something like that. I see everything from the point of view of the extreme left, and it is full of hatred, gross distortions, half truths, and flat-out lies. I read it and at first it makes my blood boil, then I calm down and actually start to think. Yesterday, there was a thread on there where they were talking about another "far right" group that supposedly posted some ugly racist poster of Obama with a noose around his neck. I couldn't verify whether it was real (the group, that is) or fabricated, but that got them all agitated and reeling against the far right. The "racist" accusations started to spew out, but there was very little in terms of factual information. I decided to get into get in there and post. I felt like a goldfish in a school of pirhanas. I carefully, and irrefutably pointed out how GW Bush was hung in effigy and how there were posters calling for his execution and how GW Bush was a "war criminal" and deserved to be hung, etc.... I asked them to google it and see for themselves. I also pointed out that many people around the world are calling Obama a war criminal for his use of drones to kill terrorists and how innocents were also killed. They tried to turn it around by saying that the GOP was the party of racism, etc... Of course, I pointed out how it was the Democrat party that was the source of most racists in the 50s and 60s and named several prominent Dem leaders and pointed out there blatant brazen racism.....Wallace, Fullbright, Byrd, and several others. I also pointed out how it was the GOP that overwhelmingly voted for the 14th ammendment.....the Dems who overwhelmingly supported the fugitive slave laws of the 1850s, Lincoln was a Republican, and how the GOP was why the civil rights act was voted into law. I pointed out how liberal racism was being used even today and used the example of Mitt Romney and his Black grandaughter and how it was a liberal MSNBC commentator who made the remarks. I ended up by saying, something like "Look folks, we are all citizens of the same country, and yet we are divided like never before. If we don't start to look at things more objectively and genuinely begin to discuss problems and issues we will keep circling the drain......" Many people engaged me and I just came back with facts, etc... I even got a few "thumbs up", but for the most part they just went on with baseless accusations and heresay. I have to say, when I was finished over there, I felt pretty good!
It's easy to get all agitated about things like the Hawaii vacation, but it really just kind of weakens our credibility in a way. There is a treasure trove of issues on which we can focus sharply and make some headway. If we all fall into the trap of just slinging barbs at things that are comparatively insignificant, then we are playing into the Obamunists hands. I think that's what they want. Anything to take the focus off the real meaty issues like ObamaCare, etc.... Sure, Obama's vacations and lavish lifestyle is tempting; I fall into that trap myself, but if we get all focused on those sorts of thing, it accomplishes exactly what the Obamunists want and takes the focus off things that matter most to all of us. However, I am afraid that your insight is falling on DEAF ears because it is sooooooo much easier to sit on the computer and p*ff and moan about the President and his trips and play the "blame game" than to ACTUALLY try to do something about the issues that ARE important......You can liken it to a dog chasing his tail.......probably never going to catch it.........LOL
I did my job. I voted for Mitt Romney and will continue to vote for those who believe in curbing spending and giving some tax relief to those of us who lose 40% of our paycheck every payday.
I'm not "tempted" to take lavish vacations. I can't afford to take lavish vacations. | |
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Location: Florida.. | I dont even read them anymore.. I did a fly by and posted after I read it. I did my job to and will do so at voting time.. I dont even blink to much at what Obama is doing. hes done enough damage . | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Frodo - 2014-01-06 11:19 AM NJJ - 2014-01-06 10:28 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 9:51 AM NJJ is right. I would prefer to focus on the real substantive things with this bunch. For example, on FB I get this feed from a group called "Politicus USA" or something like that. I see everything from the point of view of the extreme left, and it is full of hatred, gross distortions, half truths, and flat-out lies. I read it and at first it makes my blood boil, then I calm down and actually start to think. Yesterday, there was a thread on there where they were talking about another "far right" group that supposedly posted some ugly racist poster of Obama with a noose around his neck. I couldn't verify whether it was real (the group, that is) or fabricated, but that got them all agitated and reeling against the far right. The "racist" accusations started to spew out, but there was very little in terms of factual information. I decided to get into get in there and post. I felt like a goldfish in a school of pirhanas. I carefully, and irrefutably pointed out how GW Bush was hung in effigy and how there were posters calling for his execution and how GW Bush was a "war criminal" and deserved to be hung, etc.... I asked them to google it and see for themselves. I also pointed out that many people around the world are calling Obama a war criminal for his use of drones to kill terrorists and how innocents were also killed. They tried to turn it around by saying that the GOP was the party of racism, etc... Of course, I pointed out how it was the Democrat party that was the source of most racists in the 50s and 60s and named several prominent Dem leaders and pointed out there blatant brazen racism.....Wallace, Fullbright, Byrd, and several others. I also pointed out how it was the GOP that overwhelmingly voted for the 14th ammendment.....the Dems who overwhelmingly supported the fugitive slave laws of the 1850s, Lincoln was a Republican, and how the GOP was why the civil rights act was voted into law. I pointed out how liberal racism was being used even today and used the example of Mitt Romney and his Black grandaughter and how it was a liberal MSNBC commentator who made the remarks. I ended up by saying, something like "Look folks, we are all citizens of the same country, and yet we are divided like never before. If we don't start to look at things more objectively and genuinely begin to discuss problems and issues we will keep circling the drain......" Many people engaged me and I just came back with facts, etc... I even got a few "thumbs up", but for the most part they just went on with baseless accusations and heresay. I have to say, when I was finished over there, I felt pretty good!
It's easy to get all agitated about things like the Hawaii vacation, but it really just kind of weakens our credibility in a way. There is a treasure trove of issues on which we can focus sharply and make some headway. If we all fall into the trap of just slinging barbs at things that are comparatively insignificant, then we are playing into the Obamunists hands. I think that's what they want. Anything to take the focus off the real meaty issues like ObamaCare, etc.... Sure, Obama's vacations and lavish lifestyle is tempting; I fall into that trap myself, but if we get all focused on those sorts of thing, it accomplishes exactly what the Obamunists want and takes the focus off things that matter most to all of us. However, I am afraid that your insight is falling on DEAF ears because it is sooooooo much easier to sit on the computer and p*ff and moan about the President and his trips and play the "blame game" than to ACTUALLY try to do something about the issues that ARE important......You can liken it to a dog chasing his tail.......probably never going to catch it.........LOL
I'm not "tempted" to take lavish vacations. I can't afford to take lavish vacations.
Frodo I wasn't saying that lavish vacations per se' are tempting. I was saying it is tempting to direct your energy and angst at his vacations and lavish lifestyle. While we might all agree that it is excess and even a bit trashy, it's pointless to direct your energy and efforts at that kind of thing. That would be a successful diversion away from things that are so much more meaningful and germane. We all agree on certain things:
-ObamaCare is a travesty and a mess.
-Tax reform is long overdue:
- Social Security needs to be drastically revised/transitioned into something much better.
-Medicare is going broke.
-Term limits are desperately needed.
-We need to re-think our foreign policy and foreign aid policy.
-We need secure borders and we need to deal with the illegals already here.
-States rights and state soverignty needs restoration.
-Government needs to stay the hell out of our business, our bedrooms, our diets, or medicne cabinets, and our refigerators.
-Budgetary discipline is sorely needed.
-We need to redouble efforts at energy independence.
And others.....
Don't fall into the trap of focusing on these other ugly sideshows. That's what the policians want us to do. They (BOTH PARTIES) get scared when we direct our efforts at pushing for these REAL issues to be addressed.
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Location: Baden, PA | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 1:47 PM Frodo - 2014-01-06 11:19 AM NJJ - 2014-01-06 10:28 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 9:51 AM NJJ is right. I would prefer to focus on the real substantive things with this bunch. For example, on FB I get this feed from a group called "Politicus USA" or something like that. I see everything from the point of view of the extreme left, and it is full of hatred, gross distortions, half truths, and flat-out lies. I read it and at first it makes my blood boil, then I calm down and actually start to think. Yesterday, there was a thread on there where they were talking about another "far right" group that supposedly posted some ugly racist poster of Obama with a noose around his neck. I couldn't verify whether it was real (the group, that is) or fabricated, but that got them all agitated and reeling against the far right. The "racist" accusations started to spew out, but there was very little in terms of factual information. I decided to get into get in there and post. I felt like a goldfish in a school of pirhanas. I carefully, and irrefutably pointed out how GW Bush was hung in effigy and how there were posters calling for his execution and how GW Bush was a "war criminal" and deserved to be hung, etc.... I asked them to google it and see for themselves. I also pointed out that many people around the world are calling Obama a war criminal for his use of drones to kill terrorists and how innocents were also killed. They tried to turn it around by saying that the GOP was the party of racism, etc... Of course, I pointed out how it was the Democrat party that was the source of most racists in the 50s and 60s and named several prominent Dem leaders and pointed out there blatant brazen racism.....Wallace, Fullbright, Byrd, and several others. I also pointed out how it was the GOP that overwhelmingly voted for the 14th ammendment.....the Dems who overwhelmingly supported the fugitive slave laws of the 1850s, Lincoln was a Republican, and how the GOP was why the civil rights act was voted into law. I pointed out how liberal racism was being used even today and used the example of Mitt Romney and his Black grandaughter and how it was a liberal MSNBC commentator who made the remarks. I ended up by saying, something like "Look folks, we are all citizens of the same country, and yet we are divided like never before. If we don't start to look at things more objectively and genuinely begin to discuss problems and issues we will keep circling the drain......" Many people engaged me and I just came back with facts, etc... I even got a few "thumbs up", but for the most part they just went on with baseless accusations and heresay. I have to say, when I was finished over there, I felt pretty good!
It's easy to get all agitated about things like the Hawaii vacation, but it really just kind of weakens our credibility in a way. There is a treasure trove of issues on which we can focus sharply and make some headway. If we all fall into the trap of just slinging barbs at things that are comparatively insignificant, then we are playing into the Obamunists hands. I think that's what they want. Anything to take the focus off the real meaty issues like ObamaCare, etc.... Sure, Obama's vacations and lavish lifestyle is tempting; I fall into that trap myself, but if we get all focused on those sorts of thing, it accomplishes exactly what the Obamunists want and takes the focus off things that matter most to all of us. However, I am afraid that your insight is falling on DEAF ears because it is sooooooo much easier to sit on the computer and p*ff and moan about the President and his trips and play the "blame game" than to ACTUALLY try to do something about the issues that ARE important......You can liken it to a dog chasing his tail.......probably never going to catch it.........LOL
I'm not "tempted" to take lavish vacations. I can't afford to take lavish vacations.
-ObamaCare is a travesty and a mess.
-Tax reform is long overdue:
- Social Security needs to be drastically revised/transitioned into something much better.
-Medicare is going broke.
-Term limits are desperately needed.
-We need to re-think our foreign policy and foreign aid policy.
-We need secure borders and we need to deal with the illegals already here.
-States rights and state soverignty needs restoration.
-Government needs to stay the hell out of our business, our bedrooms, our diets, or medicne cabinets, and our refigerators.
-Budgetary discipline is sorely needed.
-We need to redouble efforts at energy independence.
And others.....
Don't fall into the trap of focusing on these other ugly sideshows. That's what the policians want us to do. They (BOTH PARTIES) get scared when we direct our efforts at pushing for these REAL issues to be addressed.
Edited by VonDigger 2014-01-06 5:25 PM
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