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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ~I'm copying from a friend's FB status. Discuss.
"It simply astounds me the number of people who support legalization of marijuana. I don't intend to start an argument with this; in fact, I will not only refuse to participate in one, I will unfriend you if you start one. If you plan to start one, go ahead and unfriend me now. I know all of the "logical" and "compassionate" reasons why the pro-legalization platform wants it legalized. But I'm going to share one reason with you that no one talks about: enslavement. For the first time in America, a nationwide poll indicates a majority supports legalization for medical reasons. But the problem is the medical reasons are so many and insignificant that it may as well be legalized for recreational use. The outcome will be the same: Marijuana users will never be able to hold federal jobs. What? You say you don't want one? Wait until drug tests are required for you to vote. Or a prescription automatically puts you on a list of people disqualified from driving, piloting an aircraft, owning a firearm, or adopting children. You don't want to do any of those things? You'll end up failing the competency tests for jobs in healthcare, law enforcement, military service, and *food service*. That's right, you won't be able to work at McDonald's or Wendy's or Taco Bell because you'll be a danger to others. Wait ten years after legalization and enough people will have demonstrated enough incompetence as a result of excessive use that a new class of people dependent on the state will have been created. And when the marijuana no longer provides the same relief that it once did, which is guaranteed for everyone except the terminally ill, then that group of people will turn to stronger drugs. Welcome to a brave new world. And thank you, unthinking licentious people, for ushering it in for the rest of us. Because we'll all be stuck with caring for you.
Edited because my computer is stupid.
Edited by Three 4 Luck 2014-01-07 4:27 PM
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| I'm bumping this up as I have been one who recently decided that maybe legalization IS the thing to do to help get the criminal element out of the equation as the criminal element alone has done SO much damage to individuals, families, and society. This argument you posted though, is very well thought out, and I think, hits the true reality right on the head. I agree, NO ONE can do marijuana except for the terminally ill w/out it bringing their life down to a lesser quality of life. ANY addiction does that, be it drugs/alcohol, gambling, sex, etc... ANY addiction can and does destroy people. Again, VERY well said..... And don't even give me the argument that it is NOT addictive. OK, that's why so many of the guys smoking it are dragging by the time they are 40, w/beards because they are too unambitious to shave, and are impotent because, hey, it's simply what the drug does.... I work in urology, so don't argue that point w/me. You won't win.... | |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | I don't believe this will remove any criminal element. In CO the overall tax rate on it will be about 29%. I doubt very many are going to choose to pay that over what they were paying before from their regular suppliers. | |
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | I assume it has the same rules as alcohol.. no driving no working under the influence etc.. and yes I do realize it wont stop them.. we cant stop the drunks from driving but I assume same laws apply.. | |
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Location: Midwest | Personally, I don't think this argument holds water. | |
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2014-01-07 5:36 PM
I don't believe this will remove any criminal element. In CO the overall tax rate on it will be about 29%. I doubt very many are going to choose to pay that over what they were paying before from their regular suppliers.
This has already been done. What do you think people said in the 20s?
Once production picks up and the prices start to drop no one will want to buy from an illegal supplier with questionable products.
Do we the people of this great country want personal freedoms and responsibilities or are we just going to throw them all down the drain in the name of big govt? | |
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| bingo - 2014-01-07 5:30 PM I'm bumping this up as I have been one who recently decided that maybe legalization IS the thing to do to help get the criminal element out of the equation as the criminal element alone has done SO much damage to individuals, families, and society. This argument you posted though, is very well thought out, and I think, hits the true reality right on the head. I agree, NO ONE can do marijuana except for the terminally ill w/out it bringing their life down to a lesser quality of life. ANY addiction does that, be it drugs/alcohol, gambling, sex, etc... ANY addiction can and does destroy people. Again, VERY well said..... And don't even give me the argument that it is NOT addictive. OK, that's why so many of the guys smoking it are dragging by the time they are 40, w/beards because they are too unambitious to shave, and are impotent because, hey, it's simply what the drug does.... I work in urology, so don't argue that point w/me. You won't win....
Sorry, but your opinions are not facts...
another lazy bearded guy...
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Location: Southwest Minnesota | Itsme - 2014-01-07 5:51 PM bingo - 2014-01-07 5:30 PM I'm bumping this up as I have been one who recently decided that maybe legalization IS the thing to do to help get the criminal element out of the equation as the criminal element alone has done SO much damage to individuals, families, and society. This argument you posted though, is very well thought out, and I think, hits the true reality right on the head. I agree, NO ONE can do marijuana except for the terminally ill w/out it bringing their life down to a lesser quality of life. ANY addiction does that, be it drugs/alcohol, gambling, sex, etc... ANY addiction can and does destroy people. Again, VERY well said..... And don't even give me the argument that it is NOT addictive. OK, that's why so many of the guys smoking it are dragging by the time they are 40, w/beards because they are too unambitious to shave, and are impotent because, hey, it's simply what the drug does.... I work in urology, so don't argue that point w/me. You won't win.... Sorry, but your opinions are not facts...
another lazy bearded guy...
And this is your opinion, not fact...do you know for a FACT that is what Jesus looked like? Referring to Him as a lazy, bearded guy seems just a little odd to me... | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Itsme - 2014-01-07 5:51 PM quote] Sorry, but your opinions are not facts...
another lazy bearded guy...
Why would you post that? Are you really that afraid of an intelligent discussion or is it because you have nothing intelligent to add? | |
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2014-01-07 4:36 PM I don't believe this will remove any criminal element. In CO the overall tax rate on it will be about 29%. I doubt very many are going to choose to pay that over what they were paying before from their regular suppliers.
No it won't because they are now working on passing legislation that will allow people to grow 5 plants in their home for personal use. That blows the taxing out of the water. | |
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| NJJ - 2014-01-07 6:20 PM
Itsme - 2014-01-07 5:51 PM quote] Sorry, but your opinions are not facts...
another lazy bearded guy...
Why would you post that? Are you really that afraid of an intelligent discussion or is it because you have nothing intelligent to add?
Not all bearded people are lazy and not all potheads are lazy either, thats all.
Wasnt Bill Gates a pothead? Imagine what he could have accomplished if he never smoked pot, what a waste. And I imagine Michael Phelps could have won more medals if he wasnt a lazy pothead too... | |
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 Too Many Irons in the Fire
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Location: Augusta, KS | I tend to not socialize with unmotivated, lazy, people. So I can't speak for them. But I can say that out of the 5 people i'm closest to (excluding grandparents), 4 of them at least occasionally smoke pot. One of which smokes several times a week. The one that smokes several times a week is extremely accomplished and is one of the heads of an advertising agency. Extremely motivated, extremely successful, extremely busy. The other three are also incredibly successful and in general, have their lives together.
I think stereotyping that everyone (or even majority) of pot users are lazy and that pot makes them that way is a very close minded and ignorant statement.
If you're unmotivated and lazy, you probably are on, or off drugs.
Edited to add, I don't care for smoking. So this post is not coming from a bias, pothead 
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| runningkc - 2014-01-07 6:59 PM
I tend to not socialize with unmotivated, lazy, people. So I can't speak for them. But I can say that out of the 5 people i'm closest to (excluding grandparents ), 4 of them at least occasionally smoke pot. One of which smokes several times a week. The one that smokes several times a week is extremely accomplished and is one of the heads of an advertising agency. Extremely motivated, extremely successful, extremely busy. The other three are also incredibly successful and in general, have their lives together.
I think stereotyping that everyone (or even majority ) of pot users are lazy and that pot makes them that way is a very close minded and ignorant statement.
If you're unmotivated and lazy, you probably are on, or off drugs.
Edited to add, I don't care for smoking. So this post is not coming from a bias, pothead
Good post. Ive never once smoked pot in my life, im already paranoid enough with out it...Grabs tinfoil hat. | |
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| For those of us who work and are subjected to DOT drug testing, we have choices. I choose not to allow anything into my body that might give a postive in any form or fashion. I used to hold syringes in my mouth sometimes before administering a shot to a horse. Not anymore. I cannot run the risk of a drug test gone wrong for something stupid. Anyone who cares about staying employed, will choose not to smoke pot, legal or not........if they don't care to stay employed, I doubt having legal pot available will make their termination happen more quickly. I am all for legalization, think it should have been done years ago. | |
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| When was Michael Phelps a pothead? I know he was caught smoking something or other and it made the news & rounds on the internet with a photo or video. He is back in training to try for the 2016 Olympics. Can he be a pothead and make the Olympic team? | |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I'M sure glad WILLIE NELSON never smoked pot in the towers of the white house during his performance there. His beard in nearly as long as his hair. | |
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Location: Kentucky | I like how the poster of the article said that it was not up to discussion, and if you want to argue then to defriend them. So this person can give their opinion, but they cannot hear someone else's? Awesome. | |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | Murphy - 2014-01-08 7:13 AM I like how the poster of the article said that it was not up to discussion, and if you want to argue then to defriend them. So this person can give their opinion, but they cannot hear someone else's? Awesome.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Murphy - 2014-01-08 9:13 AM I like how the poster of the article said that it was not up to discussion, and if you want to argue then to defriend them. So this person can give their opinion, but they cannot hear someone else's? Awesome.
I think he was just putting his opinion out there for folks to read and think about, but didn't want drama that an argument would bring. He's one of the most brilliant people I've ever met, but once he has thought something through and made up his mind, it's impossible to change it. LOL. That's why I brought it over here. I wanted to see if anyone could deconstruct it and successfully argue against it. Since that wasn't allowed on his page.
I don't necessarily agree with everything he said, I support medical use, and some of it is assumptions of the direction things will go. But those suppositions are well within the realm of possibility and this was the most well thought out and persuasive argument against legalization that I have read. | |
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