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| I would like to know why you guys think paints don't bring as much as quarters horses? No matter how well bred they are. I was able to get this guy for a great price and nothing wrong with him, two outs on the track and well broke, just getting a handle on him now, super smart, coming along great.http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jl+lacis+bow
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| I have to disagree with your post. Barrel and Race bred, full registry APHA horses bring every bit as much a horse of similar blood. |
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Location: relocated to Texas | luvmyphoenix - 2014-01-20 5:22 PM I have to disagree with your post. Barrel and Race bred, full registry APHA horses bring every bit as much a horse of similar blood.
Ditto. If they are a trained performance horse, sometimes people will pay more for their color. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | The solid paint prospects are usually valued lower, but not always. If my filly had been colored, I wouldn't have been able to afford her. |
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Location: Feeding those that need me | We specialize in very well bred APHA horses and we feel as though we sell our colts for the same, if not more, than their similarly bred AQHA counterparts. With added PBRIP money in races across the nation now, we feel as though the demand will only increase from here. Who wouldn't want a chance to run for an additional added money side pot? |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Ghost you have some mighty fine boys, I like the doctor. |
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Location: Way up North | I have heard this a lot but not sure I have ever really seen proof of it although I think people can be more critical of paint stallions than a QH stallion bred almost identical with the same race/produce record because people will claim someone is only breeding to the paint for the color. I know some people just plain do not like a colored horse whether from old wives tales (they are all broncs, terrible feet, spooky, etc.) or from the fact white is a pain to keep clean. I have owned and do own several paints and I can't say I would value them any higher or lower than the QH's I have had. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | luvmyphoenix - 2014-01-19 5:22 PM I have to disagree with your post. Barrel and Race bred, full registry APHA horses bring every bit as much a horse of similar blood.
If you go to the Heritage Sale with a World Champion producing dam of popular QH bloodlines, she will bring most likely over $80,000+, compare her to a World Champion paint of equally popular paint bloodlines and I have seen them go for uner $5K. I think the most expensive one I have seen sell was $20K. We are talking bred back, relatively same age, whatever. I love paints, and a good one will still bring decent money in the barrel world, but APHA doesn't have as many breed shows nor the incentives to breed paints. |
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| OP, what you should do is tell us where you got your APHA from for such a great price...
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-19 7:03 PM luvmyphoenix - 2014-01-19 5:22 PM I have to disagree with your post. Barrel and Race bred, full registry APHA horses bring every bit as much a horse of similar blood. If you go to the Heritage Sale with a World Champion producing dam of popular QH bloodlines, she will bring most likely over $80,000+, compare her to a World Champion paint of equally popular paint bloodlines and I have seen them go for uner $5K. I think the most expensive one I have seen sell was $20K. We are talking bred back, relatively same age, whatever. I love paints, and a good one will still bring decent money in the barrel world, but APHA doesn't have as many breed shows nor the incentives to breed paints.
I agree with you 100% about the lack of support from APHA. I think it is appalling considering how popular their association could be if they would put the money and advertisement to support themselve. I mean, could it be so hard to team up with NBHA sanctioned events and give an added "bonus" to the jackpot if you pay your race fees plus a fee for the APHA? Then, the APHA registered horse wins the bonus if they win the jackpot too? Just a thought. I sure do hate to waste my time and money competing by myself at an APHA sanctioned event to qualify for their world show.
I still don't agree with you about the APHA/AQHA pricing tho. I know there are exceptions to every rule, but APHA horses are popular when we bred and built right and do fetch the money.
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Location: Kansas and loving it | It can be a geographic thing too. In western Kansas, paints don't do well at all. Not because of lack in ability or conformation. Mostly due to the white pigment and sunburning. I had a paint get photo sensitivity and his nose clear up to the bone started sloughing off, horrible to deal with. Mares of any breed or color will bring quite a bit less than a male counterpart. Bay gelding with little white, or plain sorrel are the majority. But once in a while a girl will run barrels on a paint. Some are super nice to look at. |
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Location: Texas | I had two solid paints, well still have one but he's for sale.
the mare was bred out the wazoo and was truly one of those fully AQHA paints. her dam was a crop out and her sire was a QH… but she fell in that gap where she got paint papers. She was very easy to sell.
For my gelding I think his solid paint papers are a deterrent. I also have in his ad that he cribs, and I know that turns people off. And lastly, his sire, even though is a world champion paint barrel horse, doesn't have the names on his papers… I think those three things make people look him over. |
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| AllAroundRider - 2014-01-19 6:46 PM
I have heard this a lot but not sure I have ever really seen proof of it although I think people can be more critical of paint stallions than a QH stallion bred almost identical with the same race/produce record because people will claim someone is only breeding to the paint for the color. I know some people just plain do not like a colored horse whether from old wives tales (they are all broncs, terrible feet, spooky, etc.) or from the fact white is a pain to keep clean. I have owned and do own several paints and I can't say I would value them any higher or lower than the QH's I have had.
I'm pretty sure the people who say paints are only bred for color are holding on to old biases. The same used to be said about palominos, now look. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | casualdust07 - 2014-01-19 7:55 PM
I had two solid paints, well still have one but he's for sale.
the mare was bred out the wazoo and was truly one of those fully AQHA paints. her dam was a crop out and her sire was a QH… but she fell in that gap where she got paint papers. She was very easy to sell.
For my gelding I think his solid paint papers are a deterrent. I also have in his ad that he cribs, and I know that turns people off. And lastly, his sire, even though is a world champion paint barrel horse, doesn't have the names on his papers… I think those three things make people look him over.
Once a horse is trained, I don't think the type of papers mean much. |
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Location: Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-01-19 8:28 PM
casualdust07 - 2014-01-19 7:55 PM
I had two solid paints, well still have one but he's for sale.
the mare was bred out the wazoo and was truly one of those fully AQHA paints. her dam was a crop out and her sire was a QH… but she fell in that gap where she got paint papers. She was very easy to sell.
For my gelding I think his solid paint papers are a deterrent. I also have in his ad that he cribs, and I know that turns people off. And lastly, his sire, even though is a world champion paint barrel horse, doesn't have the names on his papers… I think those three things make people look him over.
Once a horse is trained, I don't think the type of papers mean much.
I agree with you, especially on a gelding. Hopefully someone will try him based on his merits like we did when we bought him :) |
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Location: SoCal | I have technically one, sorrel overo gelding. He's actually western pleasure and halter breeding for the most part, out of a AQHA mare, was training for the circuit and was too forward in movement from what we heard. Went on to be a trail rental horse, completely lame by 4 years old, and I have him 10 years later and still wouldn't trade him for the world. With all his problems he wouldn't sell for much, but he has won me saddles and buckles. He absolutely loves to run, if you're doing single pole or something similar when gaming, he usually runs down really quick and then he doesn't want to run home cause he knows he'll have to stop.
I'd totally have another Paint. I actually have a spotted AQHA mare. I think if you are selling to the right people/market, any breed pulls top dollar. You aren't going to get the same money for a Paint selling on a Quarter horse market as you would within a paint market. Friesians are pricey horses, I've seen babies go for 15k plus, now would someone on here pay that. I dout it. It's all about marketing. |
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| I personally love paints and hope to own one someday but I also have noticed this for both buying and breeding. I think many have made the fair arguments of the difference in incentives for APHA vs AQHA.
I've also heard the comments about color. For example, I love paints but I do have preferences with how they are colored (i know i know, you cant ride color). For me, this wouldnt be an absolute deterrant if it was bred well, we got along, etc etc. But a good friend of mine has been debating breeding to a well bred paint stud in our area and will not because shes afraid to get something super loud, too much white, etc. |
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| Well, for starters, they can't run. They're either crazy or have bad attitudes. Hmm....lets see, what else? Oh, right, they're ugly (solid horses FTW!).
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