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Location: Northern CA | Long story, I will try to make it short.
Bought a coming 2 year old, one month ago. Specifically asked seller if horse had any type of previous injury or illness, was told only brusied soles when trimmed several months prior. Watched horse move in round pen, sound, walking on concrete sound, could not lunge on hard ground because of snow and ice. Discussed pre-purchase, seller stated there was only one vet she could recommend in that area, when I asked about others, she said she had bad experiences with them. Called the suggested vet, talked to her about pre-purchase, she stated she would like to do hock, stifle, and "shoulder" films for OCD. Shoulder? Really? Said she saw no point in doing front feet on one not yet 2. Decided against pre-purchase because of lowish purchase price and other emergency on my part, and really trusting these folks. Bought the filly, brought her home, next day she is off. Her feet were horrible, so ended up trimming her, still off. Contacted buyer, asked if she had any ideas, not really. Wrapped feet, put front shoes on, etc, etc. No changes. Took her to the vet yesterday, he said she has the coffin bones of a 16 year old, severe remodeling, spurs,the beginning of side bone, and a navicular bone that is undeveloped with a huge divot in it. Spoke to breeder/seller, asked to her to work with me as these are pre-existing conditions. Told her I would bring the horse back, asked her to reimburse half of the purchase price, more than fair in my opinion. She told me not to bring her back, all she could help me do is market this crippled, unbroke 2 year old. I then told her, I will hold on to her as she attempts to resell for 2 weeks but then I would bring her back, as I am not going to feed this horse any longer. She said, "Do not bring her back, put her down". Do I have any ground to stand on here? Maybe not legally, but morally?
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Location: Midwest | You do morally. From what you've said I would bet they knew all about the issue.
Unless you have something in writing, you are prob SOL legally |
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| I can't offer any advice but I'm sorry this happened to you. :( Hope it turns out okay for both you and the horse. |
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Location: North Dakota | Sorry this happened, but I think legally you are out of luck. You had the opportunity to do a PPE but didn't, which may or may not have shown anything if the vet had x-rayed the front feet. Unless you can prove, without a doubt, that the sellers knew about her condition before hand and somehow purposefully mislead you. The without a doubt part is hard to prove.
Morally ... some would say that they should take her back. Others would say buyer beware. Depends. |
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| Wow, I cant imagine how frustrating that would be!
Is there some way you can talk to somebody at the vet clinic and see if they'd have past x-rays done on the horse, and go from there? |
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| Always get a PPE. Otherwise, live with the consequences. Been there, done that. Many assume that just because a horse is young they will not have anything show up on an x-ray and this is not true. Unless the seller's also had the horse x-rayed, they wouldn't know about the condidtion either. I don't think most sellers get x-rays on their coming 2 yo's, so it's possible they didn't know. |
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| I agree, I think you are out of luck. We've done ppe on some horses and still found stuff later. I would try to fix it and see if you can still make a horse. Good luck. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | 3 To Go - 2014-01-21 3:31 PM Always get a PPE. Otherwise, live with the consequences. Been there, done that. Many assume that just because a horse is young they will not have anything show up on an x-ray and this is not true. Unless the seller's also had the horse x-rayed, they wouldn't know about the condidtion either. I don't think most sellers get x-rays on their coming 2 yo's, so it's possible they didn't know.
I was wondering that. I don't Xray mine. I offer it if a buyer want's it done, but that's it. I, also, don't knowingly sell a crippled horse to anyone....so, who knows what happened here.
Side note (I always have one) I've had more offers on my one old crippled mare than any other. I just tell them her name is Duct Tape when they ask....because most of the time I have her held together with Duct Tape. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Always do a prepurchase exam or it is a waste of time trying to go back after someone. There are so many crooks out there and most of them seem to be in the horse business. Sorry you got taken, I imagine it was a known deal. But seriously, you had the chance to do a prepurchase and didn't because of "lowish" purchase price. Chalk it up to a lesson learned. |
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Location: Northern CA | barrelrider - 2014-01-21 1:42 PM I agree, I think you are out of luck. We've done ppe on some horses and still found stuff later. I would try to fix it and see if you can still make a horse. Good luck.
No way to fix this problem. There is actually a piece of her navicular bone that never formed. Vet said, if we pursued anything more active than an occassional trail horse, with this filly, she would have to be nerved within 2 years. |
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Location: Memphis, TN | Crazy how similar this story is to one posted here last week (maybe week before) where they ended up with a 3 year old that had major deterioration of its navicular bone. Could you PM me with who you bought this horse from? Interested to see if it's the same seller. |
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| Oh the seller knew what they were selling! That's why only one vet was recommended for the pre-purchase exam and why said vet didn't want to x-Ray feet. I'm sorry to say, you totally got played and nothing was in writing and you didn't do your own ppe so I'm afraid you're sol. I'm very sory this happened to you, chalk it up to lesson learned and best of luck with the outcome!! |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | Hmm wonder if this is the same seller from a couple weeks ago?! Anyways, I'm sorry this happened to you!! |
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| How long did you have the horse before you had ex-rays taken? How much did you pay for the Horse? 40 years ago I used to say it was safe to buy a young horse because you didn't have to worry about them being broke down... We sure have screwed up just about every breed. And feed - 10,000 different types and opinions hasn't helped...OK back on subject. You are SOL honey. Unless you have a signed money back written agreement. Or unless you spend lots of money on a Lawyer. Did the vet say what caused the abnormality? |
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Location: Memphis, TN | lexyy12 - 2014-01-21 6:25 PM
Hmm wonder if this is the same seller from a couple weeks ago?! Anyways, I'm sorry this happened to you!!
I don't think it is. She's not giving names respectfully to give her a chance to make right. From what little she did give I don't think it's the same seller though. |
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Location: Texas | halter_ego - 2014-01-21 3:56 PM
barrelrider - 2014-01-21 1:42 PM I agree, I think you are out of luck. We've done ppe on some horses and still found stuff later. I would try to fix it and see if you can still make a horse. Good luck.
No way to fix this problem. There is actually a piece of her navicular bone that never formed. Vet said, if we pursued anything more active than an occassional trail horse, with this filly, she would have to be nerved within 2 years.
did he call it a multipartite navicular bone?
Anyway, unfortunately since there wasn't a pre purchase exam done, the seller has no obligation to take her back. morally she should, but… obviously she won't. Sorry this happened to you. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | barrelracin85 - 2014-01-21 7:36 PM
lexyy12 - 2014-01-21 6:25 PM
Hmm wonder if this is the same seller from a couple weeks ago?! Anyways, I'm sorry this happened to you!!
I don't think it is. She's not giving names respectfully to give her a chance to make right. From what little she did give I don't think it's the same seller though.
Sounds just like that story, almost. It's sad there are so many people out there like that. I will never buy a horse again without a PPE |
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Location: ND | Unfortunately for you since you chose not to do a pre purchase exam there really isn't anything you can do. I was on the opposite side of a pretty much identical situation last fall. Sold a great little ranch horse who I'd owned a year, in that time he was NEVER lame & I'd ridden him pretty hard. Buyer takes him home with no pre purchase, I hear nothing for about 5 months then get a phone call that he's navicular. Supposedly he started having problems as soon as she got him home but never called. She wanted to keep him but get a partial refund on him. I talked to 2 vets about the situation as well as several people I trust & every single person told me she was out of luck. Now, I would have had NO issue standing behind this horse had she contacted me immidiately when problems showed up but after the time that passed there's just to many things that could have happened. |
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| Evidently the PPE was going to cost more than you paid for the horse. It is like people buying outlaw horses or no papered horses at local sales at giveaway prices and then complaining about horse tearing down the barn ... or trying to find breeder to register horse ... you bought what you paid for!!
All of us have enough problems with farriers working on sound horses ... yet you go trim and then do corrective shoeing on one you already knew had sore "soles" ... and then go to the vet ... not the best decision IMO...
I personally will guarantee anything that leaves my barn per the description I have told a buyer ... a month later ... NO ... I have no idea if buyer foundered the horse or has a crappy farrier or other things that could have happened to the horse... and I can brag that I have never had an unhappy buyer!!!
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This reminds me of an ex-friend of mine . I had found a 1980 one owner garaged all of its life in AZ Corvette with 84,000 legit miles on it that had been for sale awhile and asked him to go take a look at it and get back to me since he was in AZ and I am in Tx/Ok. I was talking to seller on the phone previously.
He calls me excited about the vette while looking at it ... I had him hand seller the phone and made a low ball offer since I was going to have to ship it and I do not believe friends about exciting deals ... lol ..
Seller took my offer ... and agreed on bank transfer ... my friend said he would just write a check and I could pay him ... and I said OK ... ...
Friend apparently told seller he had just been screwed etc etc and he would be right back with a driver for the vette. Owner pulled all the repair history, original purchase papers, manuals, sticker etc out of the car unknowingly to my friend ....
When friend gets vette to his house he calls me and tells me he likes it and is going to keep the car for me not to send him any money ..
Then a week later he realizes all the history on the car is missing and owner sez it did not come with the car at that price and it would cost him $2000 for the papers ... lol
NOW IT IS MY FAULT he has a vette with no history on it which would double the value of the car ... and it needs a $700 vacuum module on the transmission .... STILL MY FAULT ... lol ...
Seller and I have talked and he is willing to give me the papers for free if I end up with the vette ... he is still psst at my friends attitude ..... sorry to say that is not going to happen because my ex-friend deserves to rot in "L" ... lol
Prices on horses are like cars ... you get what you pay for,
I know I bore people to death .. because I will tell you more about the horse than you ever wanted to know about anything ... lol... |
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| Any way you could contact the "bad review vets" to see if maybe someone already had her ppe there, and the filly failed. Worth a shot. |
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