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little_bug
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2014-01-27 2:58 PM
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I recently had some personal stuff change in my life and am now looking for a new place to live and work. I'm at a complete loss as to how to make everything work. I have had a few cutting trainers who offered me a loping job which pays alright considering the housing is free but I would be giving up my own horses and competing which would kill me. I don't know how else to afford to pay bills and rent plus feed my horses and myself. I currently work at a vet and don't make near enough to even rent a room, let alone board horses and pay bills. I have been training outside horses for people but I don't have a big enough client base yet to guarantee horses every month. Ultimately that is what I want to do for a living. So I guess I'm looking for options or advice or job ideas. I'm wondering how people do it.... I
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BBrewster
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Posted 2014-01-27 5:28 PM
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I would ask to bring your horses...if the trainers have a setup for themselves I bet they have room for a couple more and you can ask to work their board off ...I did that in college and since the trainer got a big break on feed buying in bulk it wasnt that much more work... anyone in the horse business that trains for a living had been in your shoes when they started out. Be honest about your situation and I bet they are willing to work with you so you can keep your own horses too...
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glideriders
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Posted 2014-01-27 7:57 PM
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You don't say how old you are or How Many Horses you have. I REGRET not selling my two horses 35 years ago when I had a chance to ride with an Olympic trainer. No I could not bring them to his barn.. I was so young and stupid those horses are long gone dead and I never got to fulfill my dream. Horses are a money pit hobby for most people, if you have a chance to earn a living at it, sell, sell, or try and lease them out = you will be surprised at how much gratification you can get out of working other peoples horses at the same time learning, and you will make connections - meet people - better job prospects open up for workers without Baggage! Owning a horse if you don't have the money is just an anchor around your neck. 10 years from now you will be able to buy a big time winner!
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Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2014-01-27 10:14 PM
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glideriders - 2014-01-28 11:57 AM

You don't say how old you are or How Many Horses you have. I REGRET not selling my two horses 35 years ago when I had a chance to ride with an Olympic trainer. No I could not bring them to his barn.. I was so young and stupid those horses are long gone dead and I never got to fulfill my dream. Horses are a money pit hobby for most people, if you have a chance to earn a living at it, sell, sell, or try and lease them out = you will be surprised at how much gratification you can get out of working other peoples horses at the same time learning, and you will make connections - meet people - better job prospects open up for workers without Baggage! Owning a horse if you don't have the money is just an anchor around your neck. 10 years from now you will be able to buy a big time winner!

I totally agree with this.

It may be very hard but it doesn't sound like you could keep them properly if you don't get a new job. If you could lease them out or find long term boarding would help.

Good luck, keep us poster how you go. :-)
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little_bug
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2014-01-28 11:23 AM
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I am 21 years old, full time college student online. The cutting trainers all have strict no horse rules for their lopers from everything I have heard. (I did mention it to the trainer and he was pretty set on not having them there) I have 3 of my own and I have done everything with them. My rope horse is 7 and I started her as a 2 year old. She is to the point I can go jackpot and rodeo. My barrel horse is 6 now and I bought him as a 4 year old. I have taken 2 years to fix him and it has been a very long and hard road. He is finally working outstanding and I can start seasoning him now. And I have a 12 year old project horse that I got from a client of mine that I am working with to see what I can make him into. I sold my really nice finished horse my senior year of high school so that I could afford college and so having my horses to this point now is really exciting because it has been so long since I have been able to compete competitively. I would be able to keep my horses at a friends an hour from the loping job but who knows what time I would have for them. I could part with the project and rope horse possibly but I feel like I already sold my horses for the money a couple years ago and to this day I wish I never would have.

I am so up in the air about taking this loping job. I would love to find a place I could work off board/rent. I am working on pulling my connections together to see what else is out there but I don't have a long time to figure all this out. I am willing to relocate anywhere. I am currently in California but ultimately want to end up back in Texas. (I lived there for 2 years in college).
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Nateracer
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-01-28 12:21 PM
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You said we went to college.  In what area?  There is nothing wrong with taking a job to pay the bills for a few years that isn't in your degree area.  Desk jobs pay the bills, plain and simple.  The other option is to lease out your horses for a little bit to make a little money while you build up a savings plan while loping horses.   
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little_bug
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2014-01-28 12:30 PM
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Nateracer - 2014-01-28 9:21 AM You said we went to college.  In what area?  There is nothing wrong with taking a job to pay the bills for a few years that isn't in your degree area.  Desk jobs pay the bills, plain and simple.  The other option is to lease out your horses for a little bit to make a little money while you build up a savings plan while loping horses.   

I went to Tarleton for 2 years, now in Northern Cali online right now. My degree is in Business Administrations so it isn't horse related at all. I do not care if I have a desk job, I currently work at a small animal vet clinic, it just has to pay the bills. I work full time at the vet clinic at above minimum wage and still cannot afford rent and bills. I commute an hour and a half each way too, which doesn't help financially but it is what I could find at the time.

I'm just wondering how people can work a full-time job that pays the bills? I don't need a ton extra, I eat cheap, I am financially aware of what I spend and on what, and my bills aren't super expensive... There has to be something out there that can support it?
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Longneck
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Posted 2014-01-28 12:40 PM
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 Could you possibly sell your horses (or lease them) to someone and buy them back in the future?  Think about what you want in your life ten years from now.  I know your horses are important to you, but if you think this job opportunity is a once in a lifetime thing I'd take it.  There will always be project horses you can pick up later when you're more financially stable.

Could you take on a different job?  Maybe waitressing or something that could come with some extra money?  You could probably get some better hours if you're an online student (but don't let your courses fall behind).  My best friend in had to work some crazy hours, but she made some pretty big tips and could deal with the negatives since it wasn't something she was planning on doing long-term.


 
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aggiejudger
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Posted 2014-01-28 12:51 PM
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little_bug - 2014-01-28 12:30 PM
Nateracer - 2014-01-28 9:21 AM You said we went to college.  In what area?  There is nothing wrong with taking a job to pay the bills for a few years that isn't in your degree area.  Desk jobs pay the bills, plain and simple.  The other option is to lease out your horses for a little bit to make a little money while you build up a savings plan while loping horses.   
I went to Tarleton for 2 years, now in Northern Cali online right now. My degree is in Business Administrations so it isn't horse related at all. I do not care if I have a desk job, I currently work at a small animal vet clinic, it just has to pay the bills. I work full time at the vet clinic at above minimum wage and still cannot afford rent and bills. I commute an hour and a half each way too, which doesn't help financially but it is what I could find at the time.

I'm just wondering how people can work a full-time job that pays the bills? I don't need a ton extra, I eat cheap, I am financially aware of what I spend and on what, and my bills aren't super expensive... There has to be something out there that can support it?
I'll be the bearer of bad news. Most of us either have a college degree, years of experience, or a combination thereof to afford horses. The strikes against you are your age, occupation, and current position. You are working an entry level job and are hoping to get another entry level job in another field. Add in that you are living in a state with one of the highest costs of living, and it shouldn't surprise you too much that you are struggling to make it all work.

I'm not saying you shouldn't pursue your dreams. Unfortunately, you are hoping for a trainer to make an exception (i.e. bring your horses) for someone who will be doing entry level work. Yes, it needs to be done. But as one of the lowest on the food chain, they will not likely make an exception for you to bring your horses. From a trainer's perspective, the stalls your horses take up is money out of their pocket and a place where a paying customer's horse could be housed.

The harsh reality is that most of us have jobs that support our horse habit instead of a horse habit the pays the bills. If being a trainer is what you want to do, you're going to have to make the sacrifices to get the experience you need to get to that level. That probably includes selling the horses your currently own or reducing them to only one. It also probably means moving back to Texas. There are a lot more cutters here than there are in California.

I'm not trying to be a huge Debbie Downer, but you are beating your head into a wall right now with your current situation and what you want to do. Given where you are at, what you are doing, and what you want to do will not enable you to make ends meet. You are at a place where you need to make some difficult decisions to get to where you want to be and to pursue what you want to do. 
 


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little_bug
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Posted 2014-01-28 12:56 PM
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Longneck - 2014-01-28 9:40 AM  Could you possibly sell your horses (or lease them) to someone and buy them back in the future?  Think about what you want in your life ten years from now.  I know your horses are important to you, but if you think this job opportunity is a once in a lifetime thing I'd take it.  There will always be project horses you can pick up later when you're more financially stable.



Could you take on a different job?  Maybe waitressing or something that could come with some extra money?  You could probably get some better hours if you're an online student (but don't let your courses fall behind).  My best friend in had to work some crazy hours, but she made some pretty big tips and could deal with the negatives since it wasn't something she was planning on doing long-term.




 

I do not feel like a loping job is once in a lifetime.. The reason I looked into this job is because it provides housing on top of pay (which sucks hourly but is still more than I make now a month). The jobs are a dime a dozen. The trainer who offered me a job flew me out there to ride for a few days and try it out. It is a great place with great people to work with, just means giving up everything I have worked for and my life. If it was for a rodeo person it would be easier because that is where I want to go in life. I know that I can learn and get experience from cutters as well though which is why I am open to the idea.  
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little_bug
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Posted 2014-01-28 1:05 PM
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little_bug - 2014-01-28 12:30 PM
Nateracer - 2014-01-28 9:21 AM You said we went to college.  In what area?  There is nothing wrong with taking a job to pay the bills for a few years that isn't in your degree area.  Desk jobs pay the bills, plain and simple.  The other option is to lease out your horses for a little bit to make a little money while you build up a savings plan while loping horses.   
I went to Tarleton for 2 years, now in Northern Cali online right now. My degree is in Business Administrations so it isn't horse related at all. I do not care if I have a desk job, I currently work at a small animal vet clinic, it just has to pay the bills. I work full time at the vet clinic at above minimum wage and still cannot afford rent and bills. I commute an hour and a half each way too, which doesn't help financially but it is what I could find at the time.



I'm just wondering how people can work a full-time job that pays the bills? I don't need a ton extra, I eat cheap, I am financially aware of what I spend and on what, and my bills aren't super expensive... There has to be something out there that can support it?
I'll be the bearer of bad news. Most of us either have a college degree, years of experience, or a combination thereof to afford horses. The strikes against you are your age, occupation, and current position. You are working an entry level job and are hoping to get another entry level job in another field. Add in that you are living in a state with one of the highest costs of living, and it shouldn't surprise you too much that you are struggling to make it all work.



I'm not saying you shouldn't pursue your dreams. Unfortunately, you are hoping for a trainer to make an exception (i.e. bring your horses) for someone who will be doing entry level work. Yes, it needs to be done. But as one of the lowest on the food chain, they will not likely make an exception for you to bring your horses. From a trainer's perspective, the stalls your horses take up is money out of their pocket and a place where a paying customer's horse could be housed.



The harsh reality is that most of us have jobs that support our horse habit instead of a horse habit the pays the bills. If being a trainer is what you want to do, you're going to have to make the sacrifices to get the experience you need to get to that level. That probably includes selling the horses your currently own or reducing them to only one. It also probably means moving back to Texas. There are a lot more cutters here than there are in California.



I'm not trying to be a huge Debbie Downer, but you are beating your head into a wall right now with your current situation and what you want to do. Given where you are at, what you are doing, and what you want to do will not enable you to make ends meet. You are at a place where you need to make some difficult decisions to get to where you want to be and to pursue what you want to do. 
 

Thank you! I am fine with the harsh truth. I don't honestly need a job in the horse world. I am fine with any job that pays the bills just trying to figure out what kind of job does that. I am very open to going back to Texas because, yes, it is much cheaper and it provides more of the lifestyle I want to eventually live. I have a friend who is interested in leasing my rope horse and I am very close with her so I would be okay with that. The project horse I can easily part with it. I will be keeping my barrel horse though.  
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Posted 2014-01-28 1:48 PM
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With a business degree and experience working in a vet clinic. Have you just tried trying to find a similar job in a more friendly cost of living part of the country where you might be able to have your horses closer to home? 
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Posted 2014-01-28 2:48 PM
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I have to agree with the previous post that gave you the hard truth.  Horses are a luxury. As a college student...luxuries aren't generally going to be doable.  But if you can work a job during college that keeps you on and around horses...that's a really good thing.  If they are not your horses...well...it beats the alternative.

I put myself through college working any and every job I could to get by and not starve.  I worked as a vet tech, tutored writing/reading, and french horn, worked retail etc....and I camped out at the financial aid office applying for every grant and scholarship I could.  I desperately wanted a horse but knew I couldn't afford it.  I made the sacrifices necessary so that I could have the careeer/income later that would allow me to have horses, care for them properly, and enjoy them.  I have never regretted making the tough decisions/sacrifices to get where I am (with Horses!) now.


Keep in mind that not all good jobs require a degree...but for mine (working in research/academia), that degree has opened a lot of doors to higher paying positions.
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Posted 2014-01-28 5:44 PM
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TrailGirl - 2014-01-28 2:48 PM

I have to agree with the previous post that gave you the hard truth.  Horses are a luxury. As a college student...luxuries aren't generally going to be doable.  But if you can work a job during college that keeps you on and around horses...that's a really good thing.  If they are not your horses...well...it beats the alternative.

I put myself through college working any and every job I could to get by and not starve.  I worked as a vet tech, tutored writing/reading, and french horn, worked retail etc....and I camped out at the financial aid office applying for every grant and scholarship I could.  I desperately wanted a horse but knew I couldn't afford it.  I made the sacrifices necessary so that I could have the careeer/income later that would allow me to have horses, care for them properly, and enjoy them.  I have never regretted making the tough decisions/sacrifices to get where I am (with Horses!) now.


Keep in mind that not all good jobs require a degree...but for mine (working in research/academia), that degree has opened a lot of doors to higher paying positions.

Same here.
Worked hard. Got the degree that got me a good paying job/career. Horses went on back-burner for awhile until I got my education and established in my career. Did the things that allowed me to be financially stable and sound to live the life I wanted -- that included owning the kind of horse(s) I wanted, living the life I wanted....
Dreams are okay, but living the life is best. To do that you have to make the choice to do the work to get there. And it is work. But so worth it.
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