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 Ms. Poutability
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Location: In my own world | Here's your sign....I was reading on the thread about high fat and saw this several times. That Purina won't list their ingredients and uses generic terms because its not a fixed formula. Well here is a pic of a tag off my feed bag and it does not list generic terms. It has wheat mids, alfalfa meal, soybean hulls, and so on....JUST like TC senior list theirs. so how is this different from TC? I feed Strategy Healthy Edge and Ultimum Growth. Is it my favorite feed? I'm not sure. I fed TC Senior for a month and saw absolutely no difference. We feed high quality alfalfa hay too. I have asked 2 different vets, one of them use to work in Weatherford with Dr. Ray, and both have said they like and feed Purina products, they feel Purina does the research. Now I don't care if you like the feed or not, but I just wanted to point out Purina does list their ingredients. I am pretty sure when I asked at the feed store that all feeds have to list their ingredients that is not a custom mix. Sorry for the vent, carry on....I hope the pics attach
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | I think they meant online.
and also its not fixed .. they change it up quite alot.. was my issue with them.. |
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Ms. Poutability
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Location: In my own world | Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 4:15 PM I think they meant online.
and also its not fixed .. they change it up quite alot.. was my issue with them..
you are absolutely right, its not online, and that confuses me totally. I think they should put it there. Yes they may change it up, no arguements there, I guess each tag on the bag would read different then? I haven't read the tag everytime, I just know its there because I asked the feed store and they showed it to me. |
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 I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I would say that Purina finally stepped up to the plate...they haven't before. They have always listed ingredients on their bags but it was with grain by products etc instead of listing what actual grains were in their feed. I've been a hater and will continue to be. Purina sucks..LOL |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 5:20 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 4:15 PM I think they meant online.
and also its not fixed .. they change it up quite alot.. was my issue with them..
they should.. and yes tags would read same until they hit the end of line and had new ones out.. I have heard its not exactly fixed formula so it doesnt necessarily mean changing tag ingredients.. as well..we hear people discussing it.. but whos to say they are correct if you think about it.lol.
triple crown is my feed of choice and adm.. but .. whos to say.. purina isnt great to.. |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 4:20 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 4:15 PM I think they meant online.
and also its not fixed .. they change it up quite alot.. was my issue with them..
I had feed tags from Purina and Nutrena that listed their ingredients as grain by products and were definitely not a fixed formula but I finally threw them out.
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~~* An ingredient list--which might list every ingredient in the feed, but more often is deliberately vague. There are two reasons for this: First, some feed formulas are designed to be variable, so that one ingredient (providing similar nutrition) can be substituted for another as grain market prices fluctuate. With a variable formula feed, the manufacturer would go to considerable expense reprinting feed labels every time the formula changed slightly. Also, many manufacturers prefer not to divulge the exact formula for their grain rations, for fear of being copied by the competitors. So, instead of specific ingredients like soybean meal or cottonseed meal, you might see phrases like "plant protein products" listed on the feed label; instead of brewer's yeast, wheat bran, or corn gluten feed, you might see a listing for "processed grain by-products." This approach is sanctioned by the AAFCO, and it helps manufacturers keep costs down--but it can make it difficult for consumers to evaluate what they're buying. Puzacke notes that some states, such as Florida, require a complete ingredient list rather than the "shortcut approach." |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Nevertooold - 2014-01-30 5:26 PM livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 4:20 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 4:15 PM I think they meant online.
and also its not fixed .. they change it up quite alot.. was my issue with them..
I know they had them listed that way... one reason i wouldnt feed it either.. |
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Ms. Poutability
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Location: In my own world | Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 4:25 PM livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 5:20 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 4:15 PM I think they meant online.
and also its not fixed .. they change it up quite alot.. was my issue with them..
triple crown is my feed of choice and adm.. but .. whos to say.. purina isnt great to..
Im not sure its my favorite feed, but its that or Nutrena or drive an hour 1 way to get TC or ADM. I tried both, didnt see a difference with the TC and mine didn't like ADM. I really wish I could find something I liked! I'll keep an eye on my tags and see what changes. Maybe they are trying to do better? lol |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Nevertooold - 2014-01-30 5:30 PM
~~* An ingredient list--which might list every ingredient in the feed, but more often is deliberately vague. There are two reasons for this: First, some feed formulas are designed to be variable, so that one ingredient (providing similar nutrition) can be substituted for another as grain market prices fluctuate. With a variable formula feed, the manufacturer would go to considerable expense reprinting feed labels every time the formula changed slightly. Also, many manufacturers prefer not to divulge the exact formula for their grain rations, for fear of being copied by the competitors. So, instead of specific ingredients like soybean meal or cottonseed meal, you might see phrases like "plant protein products" listed on the feed label; instead of brewer's yeast, wheat bran, or corn gluten feed, you might see a listing for "processed grain by-products." This approach is sanctioned by the AAFCO, and it helps manufacturers keep costs down--but it can make it difficult for consumers to evaluate what they're buying. Puzacke notes that some states, such as Florida, require a complete ingredient list rather than the "shortcut approach."
boy thats eye opening isnt it. i knew by products could mean changing up and not listing but kinda gives them leeway to add whatever ... ill continue to not feed it anyway.. |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | http://barrelhorsenews.com/articles/horse-health/1311-breaking-the-...
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 4:32 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 4:25 PM livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 5:20 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 4:15 PM I think they meant online.
and also its not fixed .. they change it up quite alot.. was my issue with them..
triple crown is my feed of choice and adm.. but .. whos to say.. purina isnt great to..
I'm in the same boat as you. Nutrena and Purina are my only 2 options. Its 120 miles to Woody's and ADM. I did try one of the ADM products for my gelding that needs low starch and he got the runs something terrible so I had to quit. I would love to put a couple of my mares on Woody's during the season but when you're that far away its really hard to plan. I could stockpile a bunch of feed but in the heat and humidity of summer I don't think it would last. The joys of living in no mans land. |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 4:32 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 4:25 PM livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 5:20 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 4:15 PM I think they meant online.
and also its not fixed .. they change it up quite alot.. was my issue with them..
triple crown is my feed of choice and adm.. but .. whos to say.. purina isnt great to..
The only thing Purina has tried hard to do is to put the cheapest ingredients into their feed to get the biggest profit. I feel they spend more on their fancy bags then what they do with what is in that fancy bag. It's been like this for as long as I can remember and as old as I am...That has been a very long time. They have been bought and sold so many times that the original Purina is now just a memory of what it use to be. |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2014-01-30 4:36 PM livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 4:32 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 4:25 PM livinonlove&horses - 2014-01-30 5:20 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-01-30 4:15 PM I think they meant online.
and also its not fixed .. they change it up quite alot.. was my issue with them..
triple crown is my feed of choice and adm.. but .. whos to say.. purina isnt great to..
I understand that completely and is why I was forced from feeding natural grains to a processed feed. If I had to feed Purina..it would be their Equine Senior. It's not the original formula but they haven't screwed up to much. |
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 Chasin my Dream
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Location: Alberta | So is it required feed companies list ingredients on their products.....monitored by any Federal or State regulators? |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | It is typical practice for large companies to send bags to regions to produce their formula to basically contract others to make their feed, thus the sewn on tag.
And while ADM is a very reputable maker- they do some fixed cost formulas as well.
So while the label may meet specs on protein and fiber- the grain qty may change- ie- 500# corn vs 200# corn per ton ect. If your horse is sensitive to corn- then you may see a change and not know why. |
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 A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | Purina is the low man on the totem pole. They have a decent tag. But there's no guarantee that they use the same amounts of each ingredient every time. And yes, with a non-fixed formula feed you could have two very different versions of your feed within a few bags.
Processes feed isn't perfect. But companies like Triple Crown, Buckeye, Seminole, Blue Bonnet, ADM, and a few others are miles ahead of Purina/Nutrena. They have better ingredients. Better formulas. And better nutrition.
If I could afford to feed raw materials to my herd, I would. But to get the nutrition from raw feeds that I get from TC Senior, I would have to spend quite a bit. Rice bran. Flax. Pre/probiotic. Alfalfa meal. Beet pulp. Soybean meal. Etc. So I choose to feed the best processed feed I can find. |
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Ms. Poutability
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Location: In my own world | dream_chaser - 2014-01-30 4:45 PM
So is it required feed companies list ingredients on their products.....monitored by any Federal or State regulators?
I don't know. I'll ask the next time I'm at the feed store |
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A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | And the cheaper formulas are still 'plant protein byproduct' type feed labels. Just check that Omolene some of you love so much. Sweet feed is pure junk. You could find soybeans, cottonseed, alfalfa, or wheat meal in any given bag. A little too open for my taste. |
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