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Location: Fort Bragg North Carolina | Is it possible to find breeders that consider (proven) mares without papers? Not junk stallions but nice barrel producers. Just a thought dont know much about it figured someone on here would! |
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The Advice Guru
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| You would have to call and ask, I myself would save the money from the std fee and buy a registered colt, but then again I won't buy grade. |
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| I think a lot would. Your paying the fee. Unless you wanted to breed to clayton or something. I have a grade mare I'd love to breed. |
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| I have bred grade mares to my guy over the years, and am seriously considering breeding two appendixes which will give me a grade. I am into proven performace as well as bloodlines. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | Depends on what you want to do with the foal. If it is to keep no matter what, then just call and ask. But if the resulting foal will possibly be sold, I wouldn't do it |
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| I'd just ask! You many get denied by a bunch, but someone out there with an awesome stud I'm sure would make an exception. I'm guessing your breeding for yourself?
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| kmcsunshine - 2014-02-09 7:49 AM
I have bred grade mares to my guy over the years, and am seriously considering breeding two appendixes which will give me a grade. I am into proven performace as well as bloodlines.
I like a good set of papers....like others I think I've become to wrapped around what it says on paper. Proven is key though. Since the dam does play such a huge roll, a proven mare should be more important than a broodie with a good set of lines that such sits and eats. Although, that is not how the industry is. |
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Location: Bigfoot Country | Check out the HalfQuarterHorseRegistry.com (I think that's the link?) Anyway, if just ONE of the parents is AQHA they will register the foal and Future Fortunes and the other programs will recognize it. I bred my grade mare to a nice stud and they registered the baby no problem. So now she is eligible for all the incentive programs!! Yay! |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I would just call and ask. I would love to breed my grade mare someday. But just because I like her, doesn't mean I will like her baby and I'm not I want to take the chance of not being able to sell it or for dirt cheap just because it can't be registered. I agree that it definitely depends on what you would use it for and think about if your willing to take in another grade. |
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| If you breed to a quality stallion the stud fee and costs for breeding will be way more than you can ever sell the offspring for. |
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Location: Wyoming | Honeymoney - 2014-02-09 1:19 PM
If you breed to a quality stallion the stud fee and costs for breeding will be way more than you can ever sell the offspring for.
Not always true. Molly Powell has sold unregistered babies out of her grade mare Pecan for a lot of money! |
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| perfectturns - 2014-02-09 2:08 PM
Honeymoney - 2014-02-09 1:19 PM
If you breed to a quality stallion the stud fee and costs for breeding will be way more than you can ever sell the offspring for.
Not always true. Molly Powell has sold unregistered babies out of her grade mare Pecan for a lot of money!
What type of paperwork went with the foals, and how many resold and how did they prove the horse was a descendent of pecan? And was the resale value still high?
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| cn1705 - 2014-02-09 10:13 AM kmcsunshine - 2014-02-09 7:49 AM I have bred grade mares to my guy over the years, and am seriously considering breeding two appendixes which will give me a grade. I am into proven performace as well as bloodlines. I like a good set of papers....like others I think I've become to wrapped around what it says on paper. Proven is key though. Since the dam does play such a huge roll, a proven mare should be more important than a broodie with a good set of lines that such sits and eats. Although, that is not how the industry is.
I love genetics. I love matching up lines that compliment each other. However, especially in these days of shipped semen, I think bloodlines are often the be all and end all and not enough thought is put into basics such as straight legs, disposition and performance.............many are breeding to stallions soley on bloodline and have no idea what the horse really looks like or how he behaves. |
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| kmcsunshine - 2014-02-09 4:25 PM
cn1705 - 2014-02-09 10:13 AM kmcsunshine - 2014-02-09 7:49 AM I have bred grade mares to my guy over the years, and am seriously considering breeding two appendixes which will give me a grade. I am into proven performace as well as bloodlines. I like a good set of papers....like others I think I've become to wrapped around what it says on paper. Proven is key though. Since the dam does play such a huge roll, a proven mare should be more important than a broodie with a good set of lines that such sits and eats. Although, that is not how the industry is.
I couldn't agree more. Not to mention, just because a horse is bred up the wazoo doesn't guarantee anything. I've seen some REALLY well bred horses in all disciplines that are cooky OR can't do what their "suppose" to be bred for. At the end of the day being bred amazing increases the chances of doing well, but we have gotten way to caught up in that piece of paper. Seems kind of silly
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Location: Carpenter, WY | I've got this grade baby due in April and am super excited about it!! My old grulla mare is grade and we bred Slim to one of her beautiful buckskin daughters http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/fine+fittin+jeans
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| perfectturns - 2014-02-09 2:08 PM
Honeymoney - 2014-02-09 1:19 PM
If you breed to a quality stallion the stud fee and costs for breeding will be way more than you can ever sell the offspring for.
Not always true. Molly Powell has sold unregistered babies out of her grade mare Pecan for a lot of money!
I know who Molly Powell is. I hadn't thought of that. I bet she would sell one for me if I asked her. Heard she is really nice. |
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Location: Here | perfectturns - 2014-02-09 2:08 PM Honeymoney - 2014-02-09 1:19 PM If you breed to a quality stallion the stud fee and costs for breeding will be way more than you can ever sell the offspring for. Not always true. Molly Powell has sold unregistered babies out of her grade mare Pecan for a lot of money!
Kind of hard to compare. Pecan went to the NFR |
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Location: Fort Bragg North Carolina | No plans on breeding for mine but I was just curious I neve hear about grades being bred w nicer studs so many people are against breeding grades so just curious thanks for the replies |
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| SG. - 2014-02-09 7:19 PM perfectturns - 2014-02-09 2:08 PM Honeymoney - 2014-02-09 1:19 PM If you breed to a quality stallion the stud fee and costs for breeding will be way more than you can ever sell the offspring for. Not always true. Molly Powell has sold unregistered babies out of her grade mare Pecan for a lot of money!
I was thinking the same thing. Pecan went to the NFR numerous times. She is an exception, not the norm when it comes to grade horses and resell value of their babies.
I am not saying that grade horses are necessarily bad. But how many besides Pecan ever came close to what that little mare accomplished? |
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Location: Texas | Financially speaking, its expensive enough to breed registered horses, and even then it can be hard to sell the babies when people want to lowball you on their price.
I wouldn't intentionally breed for a grade horse, but that's just me. Even if you never intend to sell, in case you do- its going to be really hard. |
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