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      Location: NE Texas | http://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/viagra-positives-land-new-mexico-trainer-16-year-ban/
Even though it stinks to read something like this to be reminded of what all goes on in the horse racing industry, I applaud the NM Racing Commission for taking a step in the right direction and fining the owners and putting the horses on the vets list for 90 days. I'm sure that it will be appealed and it will be business is usual, but at least they are trying to do something to keep these horses from continuing to go down the race track under another name. Get in the wallet of the owner and keep their horses from running and I bet they start seeking trainers who will do things the right way. Shame on Stinebaugh....he's had alot of great horses come through his barn. What a shame to tarnish their name, and his owner's name as well. I hope it sticks! 
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       Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | I'm with you. Too much of this going on and the only way to start getting a handle on it is through fines, suspensions, and getting in the owners wallets. |
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| Sad to see PJ Chick in Black on this list, such a nice horse. Saw her run right after this, (the first few weeks in August) where she bled really really bad... wonder if those drugs had anything to do with that... |
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       Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | kboltwkreations - 2014-02-12 1:30 PM Sad to see PJ Chick in Black on this list, such a nice horse. Saw her run right after this, (the first few weeks in August) where she bled really really bad... wonder if those drugs had anything to do with that...
I just talked to my bestie about her! How sad. |
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      Location: NE Texas | Very sad....she's special! |
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| total performance - 2014-02-12 1:35 PM
kboltwkreations - 2014-02-12 1:30 PM Â Sad to see PJ Chick in Black on this list, such a nice horse. Â Saw her run right after this, (the first few weeks in August) where she bled really really bad... wonder if those drugs had anything to do with that...
I just talked to my bestie about her! How sad. Â
You don't find it "concerning" that BOTH of her trainers have been ruled off for drugs at the meets she won at? |
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       Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | kuhlmann - 2014-02-12 1:48 PM total performance - 2014-02-12 1:35 PM kboltwkreations - 2014-02-12 1:30 PM Sad to see PJ Chick in Black on this list, such a nice horse. Saw her run right after this, (the first few weeks in August) where she bled really really bad... wonder if those drugs had anything to do with that... I just talked to my bestie about her! How sad. You don't find it "concerning" that BOTH of her trainers have been ruled off for drugs at the meets she won at?
I find it "concerning" that any of them are subjecting these horses to those kinds of drugs. It's very sad. Let them run on their god given talent. |
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| Getting days in February isn't even getting days. Just like giving a trainer in Texas days but he still gets awards...and horses run in his silks and blinkers under a family member's name.
To make days effective, they need to be actual RACE days....not 3 months when noone is running anyway. Oh well...so it goes. |
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     Location: Somewhere between S@% stirrer and Saint | This gives a whole new meaning to "Stiff" competition!.
This seems really weird to me. The trainers use Lasix to lower the blood pressure to keep a horse from bleeding but are using Viagra to bump up the blood pressure or to open vessels for blood flow. I heard about this rumor of it being used but didn't think anyone was actually doing it.
When John qualified 3 to the All American in 2012, that must have brought a lot of attention to him. When they tested 4th place horses, they were definitely looking for something.
I feel sorry for the owners and their reputations. Two of the owners are good friends of mine.
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kuhlmann - 2014-02-12 1:48 PM total performance - 2014-02-12 1:35 PM kboltwkreations - 2014-02-12 1:30 PM  Sad to see PJ Chick in Black on this list, such a nice horse.  Saw her run right after this, (the first few weeks in August) where she bled really really bad... wonder if those drugs had anything to do with that... I just talked to my bestie about her! How sad.  You don't find it "concerning" that BOTH of her trainers have been ruled off for drugs at the meets she won at?Â
I find it "concerning" that any of them are subjecting these horses to those kinds of drugs. It's very sad. Let them run on their god given talent. Â
My point is, we will never know what that is for her. Â |
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   Location: Sperry, OK | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-02-12 2:00 PM This gives a whole new meaning to "Stiff" competition!.
This seems really weird to me. The trainers use Lasix to lower the blood pressure to keep a horse from bleeding but are using Viagra to bump up the blood pressure or to open vessels for blood flow. I heard about this rumor of it being used but didn't think anyone was actually doing it.
And in my opinion, this answers the question about PJ Chick in Black bleeding.. giving her Viagra probably greatly increased her odds! |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-02-12 2:00 PM
This gives a whole new meaning to "Stiff" competition!.
This seems really weird to me. The trainers use Lasix to lower the blood pressure to keep a horse from bleeding but are using Viagra to bump up the blood pressure or to open vessels for blood flow. I heard about this rumor of it being used but didn't think anyone was actually doing it.
It actually calms them down they stand in the paddock and gate like old saddle horses but look at them and their eyes are bright and wide open and nostrils flare. They will fire big if it doesn't go the other way and make them a total loon. I saw a vet using it 14 yrs ago you could always tell which horses he had been working on. |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-02-12 2:00 PM
This gives a whole new meaning to "Stiff" competition!.
This seems really weird to me. The trainers use Lasix to lower the blood pressure to keep a horse from bleeding but are using Viagra to bump up the blood pressure or to open vessels for blood flow. I heard about this rumor of it being used but didn't think anyone was actually doing it.
I don't really get why they would use it either, but ???
I will say too, Ruidoso has the weakest security I've ever seen at a track. I've strolled through the gates and noone even blinked. No NM license, no anything. I wanted to go see a horse and didn't even get asked to stop. I wasn't there on a little race day either, AA trials all day long... |
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       Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | kuhlmann - 2014-02-12 2:00 PM total performance - 2014-02-12 1:52 PM kuhlmann - 2014-02-12 1:48 PM total performance - 2014-02-12 1:35 PM kboltwkreations - 2014-02-12 1:30 PM Sad to see PJ Chick in Black on this list, such a nice horse. Saw her run right after this, (the first few weeks in August) where she bled really really bad... wonder if those drugs had anything to do with that... I just talked to my bestie about her! How sad. You don't find it "concerning" that BOTH of her trainers have been ruled off for drugs at the meets she won at? I find it "concerning" that any of them are subjecting these horses to those kinds of drugs. It's very sad. Let them run on their god given talent. My point is, we will never know what that is for her.
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      Location: NE Texas | kuhlmann - 2014-02-12 2:00 PM total performance - 2014-02-12 1:52 PM kuhlmann - 2014-02-12 1:48 PM total performance - 2014-02-12 1:35 PM kboltwkreations - 2014-02-12 1:30 PM Sad to see PJ Chick in Black on this list, such a nice horse. Saw her run right after this, (the first few weeks in August) where she bled really really bad... wonder if those drugs had anything to do with that... I just talked to my bestie about her! How sad. You don't find it "concerning" that BOTH of her trainers have been ruled off for drugs at the meets she won at? I find it "concerning" that any of them are subjecting these horses to those kinds of drugs. It's very sad. Let them run on their god given talent. My point is, we will never know what that is for her.
And sooooooooooo many others that are horse racing house hold names....
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     Location: Somewhere between S@% stirrer and Saint | Stinebaugh Handed 16 Year SuspensionTrainer John Stinebaugh handed a 16 year suspension, expected to appeal.Stallionesearch.com February 12, 2014  John Stinebaugh. Longtime trainer John Stinebaugh is expected to file an appeal later this week after receiving a 16 year suspension and $40,000 fine on Saturday from the New Mexico Racing Commission, when four horses in his care tested positive for Sildenafil. The horses competed in Rainbow Futurity and Derby trials at Ruidoso Downs last summer.
Seldenafil is a Class 3 drug that carries the most severe penalty category under drug classification guidelines published by the Association of Racing Commissioners International. The New Mexico Racing Commission adopted new, stricter regulations for medication violations in June 2012 that corresponded with RCI guidelines.
Following a hearing on Saturday, four separate rulings were issued by the Sunland Park board of stewards against the trainer. The four horses were My Dancing Angel, fourth-place finisher in the sixth race at Ruidoso Downs on July 5, 2013; Bikinni Bombshell, fourth in the seventh race on July 5; Dynasty Edition, fourth in the eighth race on July 5; and PJ Chick in Black, winner of the first race on July 6. The $23,737 PJ Chick in Black earned in the Rainbow Derby finals was also forfeited.
According to Stinebaugh, the bad tests stemmed from a compounded drug administered to his horses by track veterinarians on a non-race day for bleeding.
"Officials from Weatherford Compounding Pharmacy and ESMS testified that the paste used on my horses last summer contained a contaminated supplement that was mistakenly sent out by a Canadian drug company," Stinebaugh said. "I did not administer anything to my horses."
According to testimony the drug company recalled the contaminated supplement when they discovered what had happened. However several tubes that included the substance in a compound from the Weatherford pharmacy had been sent to Ruidoso and to Prairie Meadows and used on horses by track veterinarians. Testing found the supplement was contaminated with trace levels found to be in parts of trillions of a gram. Stinebaugh said the drug company and pharmacy testified in similar racing commission cases in Iowa after three horses came back with a bad test for Seldenafil. The Iowa Racing Commission cited each of those trainers with a $1,000 administrative fee in those cases.
"The drug company has taken full responsibility for the contamination and has reimbursed owners in both states for more than $30,000 in purse money," Stinebaugh said. "They intend to see this through until this injustice has been righted."
Lisa Johnson, an investigator for the New Mexico Racing Commission, testified that Stinebaugh had signed a New Mexico trainers license that makes him responsible for the complete care of the four horses in contention. The trainer received three-year suspensions and $10,000 fines for each of the first two positive tests and five-year suspensions and $10,000 fines for each of the second two alleged violations. The suspensions are to run consecutively.
Under New Mexico’s regulations, the owners of the four horses were also cited, purses forfeited and redistributed, and the horses placed on the state veterinarian’s list for 90 days, from February 10-May 11. Stinebaugh, who has trained on his own since 1998, has been among AQHA's leading trainers for the past several years while saddling the likes of Champions Double Down Special, PJ Chick In Black, All About Larry, etc.
Stinebaugh's council is expected to release a transcript of the hearing later this week.
AQHA News and information is a service of the American Quarter Horse Association. For more news and information, follow @AQHARacing on Twitter, watch the AQHA Racing Newscast and visit www.aqharacing.com. |
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   Location: SE Louisiana | They should be able to come up with an accurate PPM count on those blood tests. I can't believe the tests can find it at PPTs |
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       Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-02-12 10:24 PM
Stinebaugh Handed 16 Year Suspension
Trainer John Stinebaugh handed a 16 year suspension, expected to appeal.
Stallionesearch.com
February 12, 2014
John Stinebaugh.
Longtime trainer John Stinebaugh is expected to file an appeal later this week after receiving a 16 year suspension and $40,000 fine on Saturday from the New Mexico Racing Commission, when four horses in his care tested positive for Sildenafil. The horses competed in Rainbow Futurity and Derby trials at Ruidoso Downs last summer.
Seldenafil is a Class 3 drug that carries the most severe penalty category under drug classification guidelines published by the Association of Racing Commissioners International. The New Mexico Racing Commission adopted new, stricter regulations for medication violations in June 2012 that corresponded with RCI guidelines.
Following a hearing on Saturday, four separate rulings were issued by the Sunland Park board of stewards against the trainer. The four horses were My Dancing Angel, fourth-place finisher in the sixth race at Ruidoso Downs on July 5, 2013; Bikinni Bombshell, fourth in the seventh race on July 5; Dynasty Edition, fourth in the eighth race on July 5; and PJ Chick in Black, winner of the first race on July 6. The $23,737 PJ Chick in Black earned in the Rainbow Derby finals was also forfeited.
According to Stinebaugh, the bad tests stemmed from a compounded drug administered to his horses by track veterinarians on a non-race day for bleeding.
"Officials from Weatherford Compounding Pharmacy and ESMS testified that the paste used on my horses last summer contained a contaminated supplement that was mistakenly sent out by a Canadian drug company," Stinebaugh said. "I did not administer anything to my horses."
According to testimony the drug company recalled the contaminated supplement when they discovered what had happened. However several tubes that included the substance in a compound from the Weatherford pharmacy had been sent to Ruidoso and to Prairie Meadows and used on horses by track veterinarians. Testing found the supplement was contaminated with trace levels found to be in parts of trillions of a gram. Stinebaugh said the drug company and pharmacy testified in similar racing commission cases in Iowa after three horses came back with a bad test for Seldenafil. The Iowa Racing Commission cited each of those trainers with a $1,000 administrative fee in those cases.
"The drug company has taken full responsibility for the contamination and has reimbursed owners in both states for more than $30,000 in purse money," Stinebaugh said. "They intend to see this through until this injustice has been righted."
Lisa Johnson, an investigator for the New Mexico Racing Commission, testified that Stinebaugh had signed a New Mexico trainers license that makes him responsible for the complete care of the four horses in contention. The trainer received three-year suspensions and $10,000 fines for each of the first two positive tests and five-year suspensions and $10,000 fines for each of the second two alleged violations. The suspensions are to run consecutively.
Under New Mexico’s regulations, the owners of the four horses were also cited, purses forfeited and redistributed, and the horses placed on the state veterinarian’s list for 90 days, from February 10-May 11. Stinebaugh, who has trained on his own since 1998, has been among AQHA's leading trainers for the past several years while saddling the likes of Champions Double Down Special, PJ Chick In Black, All About Larry, etc.
Stinebaugh's council is expected to release a transcript of the hearing later this week.
AQHA News and information is a service of the American Quarter Horse Association. For more news and information, follow @AQHARacing on Twitter, watch the AQHA Racing Newscast and visit www.aqharacing.com.
Let's put the blame on someone else. When you sign your license you are saying you are taking full responsibility of the horses in your care. HE is responsible for what these horses got. IMO |
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      Location: NE Texas | Absolutely he is still guilty! And on top of that, we all know that the compouding drug business is simply taking the substance that is banned, changing one molecule in the molecular make up, and voila....you're clean through the test barn for at least a year or two until they get a test developed for the new compounded version. The only race day med that should be administered by a vet or anyone else for a bleeder is lasix. If either Stinebaugh OR his vet were giving anything other than that, they are both guilty, and he just admitted it. |
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       Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2014-02-13 9:45 AM Absolutely he is still guilty! And on top of that, we all know that the compouding drug business is simply taking the substance that is banned, changing one molecule in the molecular make up, and voila....you're clean through the test barn for at least a year or two until they get a test developed for the new compounded version. The only race day med that should be administered by a vet or anyone else for a bleeder is lasix. If either Stinebaugh OR his vet were giving anything other than that, they are both guilty, and he just admitted it.
Yes ma'am! And the compounding company that he said was the place it came from is under investigation to begin with. Although they say they don't know what the people are doing with it.....yeah right! That don't fly! |
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