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| Ok, my dear mother who I love to bits just doesn't understand how barrel horses work. so here is a little build up before I ask the question so you understand why I'm asking.
The barrel horse I race right now is owned by a good friend of mine, she is 16 hands, built like a tank, safe as could be, but she's only a 2D/3D horse. That's all she was ever meant to be, but my mom seems to think that she could be winning barrel races if we made her do it, like we aren't pushing her hard enough even though she is rode daily when the weather allows it. She says there's no point in racing her if she isn't going to win, and she says if she can't be a 1D horse, we need to move onto something that can be. I love my horse to bits and I don't want a different barrel horse even though she can't compete at the top of the top, it's mostly my fault she isn't a consistent 2D/16 second horse. All my mother sees is blown barrel turns and knocked barrels, and automatically blames it on the horse not having enough training (even though I know why she does it and it is my fault).
She also seems to think 1D barrel horses are easy to come by, or at least the type she wants is. It kinda set her back when I told her the price tag the horses winning our local jackpots had on them. Her favorite horse which she kept referring to cost $40,000. She seems to think that is ridiculous, but is it far off?
What is a good price for a top notch, consistent, win where ever you take him, 10 year old gelding with top bloodlines? I've looked on here at some but there is a huge range, so what would you price one at if you were selling one. Completely hypothetical, and just for point proving reasons. | |
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| The average rider isnt good enough to just go buy a nice horse and start winning everything, there is a learning curve involved to achieve that level and to remain there consistently for any amount of time. | |
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Location: Alberta | Itsme - 2014-02-16 3:08 PM The average rider isnt good enough to just go buy a nice horse and start winning everything, there is a learning curve involved to achieve that level and to remain there consistently for any amount of time.
As for price, that can really depend on where you live. Are we talking jackpot horse? Rodeo?
If you want a win anywhere, 5 or 6 digit price tag would be where it's at.... | |
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| Hmmm what are you asking? If your running a horse that is blowing turns and knocking barrels... perhaps your mom is right and could be a 1D horse with practice. At the same time, you should also tell her that it is a hobby and you do it for fun...and that maybe not having a 1D horse is the goal.
As for the price tag of a 1D horse, It REALLY varies. Something that runs at the NFR will be WAY more than 40,000. A local 1D horse up north maybe 25,000. Its really all over the map and what people are willing to pay.
My advice go out and have fun!!!!! Thats the most important :) | |
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| Itsme - 2014-02-16 5:08 PM
The average rider isnt good enough to just go buy a nice horse and start winning everything, there is a learning curve involved to achieve that level and to remain there consistently for any amount of time.
That was another point of mine, but the price was the point was wasn't sure exact numbers so I couldn't prove much.
I know exactly how much horse I can handle, but I need a number game to prove a point.
Jackpots, mostly, but rodeos too while we are at it. A winning time around here is a 14.80ish, and that is winning by several tenths, most 1D horses are 15 second horses, with one that is really crazy that will lay down the high 14s if he can get it around the pattern.
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | Have your mom run the horse to show you what she means... | |
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| Ill take a consistent 2d horse over a not consistent 1d horse. I always say and this is not referring to you or anyone. You have to be a 1d rider to ride a top 1d horse | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | sophiebelle - 2014-02-16 4:55 PM Have your mom run the horse to show you what she means...
There you go good advice giving here, let mom show you how she wants it done | |
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Location: Oklahoma | sophiebelle - 2014-02-16 4:55 PM
Have your mom run the horse to show you what she means...
This is seriously what I wanted my dad to do with a gelding I ran! He even bought a video camera to critique me on a stride by stride basis. But I was young and knew it all.Now when I look back (8-10 years later) at those videos I tell myself what I should have done...stride by stride. I'm assuming that your mom doesn't ride... if that's the case then bless her heart because running barrels sure looks a lot easier on the sidelines.I would suggest attending some clinics and seeing if a professional can help you out with your current mare. A simple bit change might be all you need to have better turns. As far as the pricing goes it can vary greatly depending upon your area, but you might be able to find a winner halfway across the country for something more financially feasible... you just gotta be willing to travel and hope that their winners aren't 2d where you are. | |
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| cn1705 - 2014-02-16 5:51 PM
Hmmm what are you asking? If your running a horse that is blowing turns and knocking barrels... perhaps your mom is right and could be a 1D horse with practice. At the same time, you should also tell her that it is a hobby and you do it for fun...and that maybe not having a 1D horse is the goal.
No, she runs consistent 2D times when she runs great patterns, she is 3D/4D with mess ups which only happen when she goes to watch me run. | |
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| sophiebelle - 2014-02-16 5:55 PM
Have your mom run the horse to show you what she means...
 LMAO! That would be funny.
Also, I'm not saying I want a 1D horse because I know I can't control one yet. I've tried to race one, and it just didn't work. Not yet at least. The only way I can make my mom understand anything is using numbers. Actual numbers to prove a point. Saying I'm not ready and it's not the horse isn't getting through her head. These numbers are. lol | |
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Location: Texas | Well one way to do it is to make a run on one of those barn burners and fly off around the turn… that'll prove a point. kidding. totally kidding.
Anyway, here's the dilemma I see. Your mom wants you to win, which is good. Sounds like she may be a little off touch with reality with what it takes to win.
You could probably find an older, finished, auto pilot gelding that is a local 1D horse for 15-20. Now if you want something that will outrun 400 horses you are most definitely looking in the mid five figures. If you want a pro rodeo caliber horse you are definitely looking in the mid 5s. NFR caliber you are looking at high 5 figures into 6 figures.
Like other people have said- you have to be the same caliber as the horse if you want the horse to keep running at the pace it was when you bought it. You can buy one of those horses and if you aren't ready for it, In about 6 months it starts coming apart. Even the best of the best horse needs some guidance from the jockey- even if it's just hanging on and being ready for the next barrel. if you get behind- you are screwed!
So here's the problem- I totally understand your moms frustration with your horse and you not running to your full potential. If you are consistently making the same mistakes when she is watching you run- you need to fix that. Maybe it means finding a trainer. Maybe it means changing your pre race routine so you don't get nervous when she is there. If you know you are making the same mistakes on the horse and not running to its potential- you need to have a heart to heart with yourself and see what you need to do to move forward. If I were you, I would be asking for lessons and then hey- maybe your horse will get faster. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | casualdust07 - 2014-02-16 5:44 PM Well one way to do it is to make a run on one of those barn burners and fly off around the turn… that'll prove a point. kidding. totally kidding. Anyway, here's the dilemma I see. Your mom wants you to win, which is good. Sounds like she may be a little off touch with reality with what it takes to win. You could probably find an older, finished, auto pilot gelding that is a local 1D horse for 15-20. Now if you want something that will outrun 400 horses you are most definitely looking in the mid five figures. If you want a pro rodeo caliber horse you are definitely looking in the mid 5s. NFR caliber you are looking at high 5 figures into 6 figures. Like other people have said- you have to be the same caliber as the horse if you want the horse to keep running at the pace it was when you bought it. You can buy one of those horses and if you aren't ready for it, In about 6 months it starts coming apart. Even the best of the best horse needs some guidance from the jockey- even if it's just hanging on and being ready for the next barrel. if you get behind- you are screwed! So here's the problem- I totally understand your moms frustration with your horse and you not running to your full potential. If you are consistently making the same mistakes when she is watching you run- you need to fix that. Maybe it means finding a trainer. Maybe it means changing your pre race routine so you don't get nervous when she is there. If you know you are making the same mistakes on the horse and not running to its potential- you need to have a heart to heart with yourself and see what you need to do to move forward. If I were you, I would be asking for lessons and then hey- maybe your horse will get faster.
Agree! If you are wanting to horse that can literally win anywhere ... $100,000 and up... | |
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| Itsme - 2014-02-16 4:08 PM The average rider isnt good enough to just go buy a nice horse and start winning everything, there is a learning curve involved to achieve that level and to remain there consistently for any amount of time. I ride 3 proven 1D horses that were bought for my girls to high school rodeo on. They did well, did not always win but most often would win 1D checks 200 plus shows. At big 500 plus shows they would hit the 1D but be out of the $$. They quit riding so I started. After 4 years of riding I am just now hitting the 2D locally. We paid lots of $$ for them, the cheapest was 25k, the most expensive was 40K, they are now very expensive 2D/3D horses :). I could do what I do on much cheaper horses but they take care of me and we already have enough $$ so I do not want or need to sell them. Our trainer who has the horse to watch to set the pace and won most every race he entered, turned down 120K for him.
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| casualdust07 - 2014-02-16 6:44 PM
Well one way to do it is to make a run on one of those barn burners and fly off around the turn… that'll prove a point. kidding. totally kidding.
Anyway, here's the dilemma I see. Your mom wants you to win, which is good. Sounds like she may be a little off touch with reality with what it takes to win.
You could probably find an older, finished, auto pilot gelding that is a local 1D horse for 15-20. Now if you want something that will outrun 400 horses you are most definitely looking in the mid five figures. If you want a pro rodeo caliber horse you are definitely looking in the mid 5s. NFR caliber you are looking at high 5 figures into 6 figures.
Like other people have said- you have to be the same caliber as the horse if you want the horse to keep running at the pace it was when you bought it. You can buy one of those horses and if you aren't ready for it, In about 6 months it starts coming apart. Even the best of the best horse needs some guidance from the jockey- even if it's just hanging on and being ready for the next barrel. if you get behind- you are screwed!
So here's the problem- I totally understand your moms frustration with your horse and you not running to your full potential. If you are consistently making the same mistakes when she is watching you run- you need to fix that. Maybe it means finding a trainer. Maybe it means changing your pre race routine so you don't get nervous when she is there. If you know you are making the same mistakes on the horse and not running to its potential- you need to have a heart to heart with yourself and see what you need to do to move forward. If I were you, I would be asking for lessons and then hey- maybe your horse will get faster.
lol sounds like a plan.
It is a huge mental thing too, it's mostly when she is there. We won 2D youth last race we went to where it was only me and the mare's owner that went. So it's not the horse, it's the pressure she puts on us, I going in there thinking, "We have to win or she is gonna be mouthy about it" and that's when we knock barrels or blow turns. When it is only me there, I am thinking...well nothing. That's the point, I'm listening to my horse, not to the thoughts in my head. I also got a new saddle, that really helped us in our last run since I am actually on the horse a majority of the time, but, of course, my mom also wasn't there for it. | |
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Location: Centerburg, OH | 80 plus. A great horse is great anywhere in thd country | |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-16 7:02 PM casualdust07 - 2014-02-16 6:44 PM Well one way to do it is to make a run on one of those barn burners and fly off around the turn… that'll prove a point. kidding. totally kidding. Anyway, here's the dilemma I see. Your mom wants you to win, which is good. Sounds like she may be a little off touch with reality with what it takes to win. You could probably find an older, finished, auto pilot gelding that is a local 1D horse for 15-20. Now if you want something that will outrun 400 horses you are most definitely looking in the mid five figures. If you want a pro rodeo caliber horse you are definitely looking in the mid 5s. NFR caliber you are looking at high 5 figures into 6 figures. Like other people have said- you have to be the same caliber as the horse if you want the horse to keep running at the pace it was when you bought it. You can buy one of those horses and if you aren't ready for it, In about 6 months it starts coming apart. Even the best of the best horse needs some guidance from the jockey- even if it's just hanging on and being ready for the next barrel. if you get behind- you are screwed! So here's the problem- I totally understand your moms frustration with your horse and you not running to your full potential. If you are consistently making the same mistakes when she is watching you run- you need to fix that. Maybe it means finding a trainer. Maybe it means changing your pre race routine so you don't get nervous when she is there. If you know you are making the same mistakes on the horse and not running to its potential- you need to have a heart to heart with yourself and see what you need to do to move forward. If I were you, I would be asking for lessons and then hey- maybe your horse will get faster. lol sounds like a plan. It is a huge mental thing too, it's mostly when she is there. We won 2D youth last race we went to where it was only me and the mare's owner that went. So it's not the horse, it's the pressure she puts on us, I going in there thinking, "We have to win or she is gonna be mouthy about it" and that's when we knock barrels or blow turns. When it is only me there, I am thinking...well nothing. That's the point, I'm listening to my horse, not to the thoughts in my head. I also got a new saddle, that really helped us in our last run since I am actually on the horse a majority of the time, but, of course, my mom also wasn't there for it.
I don't know how to make your mom understand but now now that I ride I get it. Although we didn't put pressure on them to win, there are so many things I said that I would never have come out of mouth if I had been riding then. I get how you can go in with the goal of doing one thing and come out having not done it at all, I get how the run can just be a blur sometimes. Part of the plan has to be having fun too, not just winning the 1D. | |
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Location: Kansas | My 12 year old rodeo horse is one that about anyone can ride, he'll run well anywhere but probably not WIN at the super tough barrel races or rodeos and I guarantee you it'd take $100K or more to get him away from me. I bought him as a 4 year old, patterned and seasoned him, and so I know how much blood, sweat, tears, time and money I have invested in him. I probably spent $20K on entry fees, gasoline and exhibitions to get him seasoned over a couple years. The reason 1D horses cost so much is that someone spent a year or two or three patterning and seasoning them to get to the point where they're consistently in the 1D. You can pay the big price tag up front, or you can buy a cheaper horse like I did and invest the big bucks a little at a time. His papers have Dash For Cash either on them or one off, and a lot of foundation blood on the top side, so not "top bloodlines" but not bad.
In addition to the facts that there aren't that many 1D horses out there and they cost a lot, you have to figure in that not every 1D horse will fit every rider and not every rider can lay down a 1D run. My youngest brother can ride, and he'd be able to run my rodeo horse, but not a 1D time because he's not aggressive enough.
I've seen a lot of ads for horses that I consider 2D/3D horses in the $12,000 to $25,000 range, and of course they're all 1D horses in the ads. I would expect to spent AT LEAST $25K for a 1D horse even at local shows unless you get extremely lucky or can train your own. | |
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| Is this horse yours? As you say the mares owner.
If this isn't your horse, I would suggest getting a been there done that horse that is super consistent, as for someone trying to learn how to barrel race on am inconsistent horse is very hard. | |
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Location: Phoenix | A been there, done that horse winning anywhere is at LEAST $25k. Maybe less if it is older, or requires heavy maintenance. | |
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