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Location: SE Louisiana | Say what? The jury votes to convict on 4 counts of attempted murder and deadlocks on murder for the kid he killed in the same shooting in the same car.... You can't have it both ways folks. This can't stand. |
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Location: North Dakota | Either way he is going to jail the rest of his life because of his age! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | angelica - 2014-02-16 3:55 PM
Either way he is going to jail the rest of his life because of his age!Â
Not if they can't get a conviction on murder. If they can't get that the rest will be overturned. |
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| komet. - 2014-02-16 3:57 PM
angelica - 2014-02-16 3:55 PM
Either way he is going to jail the rest of his life because of his age!Â
Not if they can't get a conviction on murder. If they can't get that the rest will be overturned.
Are you sure? That wouldnt be good. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Itsme - 2014-02-16 4:12 PM komet. - 2014-02-16 3:57 PM angelica - 2014-02-16 3:55 PM Either way he is going to jail the rest of his life because of his age! Not if they can't get a conviction on murder. If they can't get that the rest will be overturned. Are you sure? That wouldnt be good.
They are not mutually exclusive...
You can't have one without the other... It's either both or neither. You can't convict on trying to murder 4 without convicting for murder the one he did kill.
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Location: Florida.. | komet. - 2014-02-16 4:57 PM angelica - 2014-02-16 3:55 PM Either way he is going to jail the rest of his life because of his age! Not if they can't get a conviction on murder. If they can't get that the rest will be overturned.
he got charged with 4 counts.. 3 are attempted murder 2nd degree
ONE is Murder first degree.. They deadlocked on Murder in first degree.. (there was no proof it was premeditated )
Judge stated .. one count is overturned NOT the others they are seperate charges.the sentencing will stand.. he can get 25 yrs to life.. the jury had to ask several times to make sure this was correct..
so yes that is the way it is..(its in my parents city )
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bibliafarm - 2014-02-16 5:25 PM
komet. - 2014-02-16 4:57 PM angelica - 2014-02-16 3:55 PM Either way he is going to jail the rest of his life because of his age! Not if they can't get a conviction on murder. If they can't get that the rest will be overturned.
he got charged with 4 counts.. 3 are attempted murder 2nd degree
ONE is Murder first degree.. They deadlocked on Murder in first degree.. (there was no proof it was premeditated )Â
Judge stated .. one count is overturned NOT the others they are seperate charges.the sentencing will stand.. he can get 25 yrs to life.. the jury had to ask several times to make sure this was correct..
so yes that is the way it is..(its in my parents city )
First-degree murder is any murder that is willful and premeditated. Someone screwed up if they thought they could get that on a spontaneous shooting... and woe unto us all if they get that conviction. |
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Location: Colorado plains standing on a goat head! | The news report I saw also said he could be retried on the count they deadlocked on. I don't understand it, but that is what they said. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | paysonw - 2014-02-16 5:39 PM
The news report I saw also said he could be retried on the count they deadlocked on. I don't understand it, but that is what they said.Â
That's because that part was determined to be a mistrial. The news I see is the prosecutor will try AGAIN for 1st degree murder... I just don't see it in a spontaneous shooting like this. |
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Location: Florida.. | komet. - 2014-02-16 6:43 PM paysonw - 2014-02-16 5:39 PM The news report I saw also said he could be retried on the count they deadlocked on. I don't understand it, but that is what they said. That's because that part was determined to be a mistrial. The news I see is the prosecutor will try AGAIN for 1st degree murder... I just don't see it in a spontaneous shooting like this.
exactly.. mistrial on First degree murder charges.. I agree .. it was stupid to think that could be proven considering it wasnt premeditated. I truly believe that was thrown at him due to the Zimmerman trial.. I think they thought it would fly.. it didnt .. it wasnt proven . Of course Jordans attorney said .. just taking the 2 minutes and getting the gun could be considered premeditated.. its all how it is percieved.. BUT the JURY followed the law strictly therefore it was deadlocked.
so one count he will be retried.. the murder one.. Why? it will cost alot of money again and he is going to prison for a very long time.. but they said because the family will have no closure knowing he murdered their son and wasnt charged for it. I think its more the people and orginizations protesting...dividing the races.. more |
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Location: Home of the World Famous "Silver Bullet" | the lawyer said there is no need to retry him. minimum will be 60 yrs. that is life for him. |
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Location: Florida.. | barn mom - 2014-02-16 6:54 PM the lawyer said there is no need to retry him. minimum will be 60 yrs. that is life for him.
yes he did.. but will the protestors and NAACP let it rest, I dont know.. there is alot of race division right now in jax.. and Florida.. really..
lots of hate and angry people and being aggressive to innocent bystanders over this.. |
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| barn mom - 2014-02-16 6:54 PM the lawyer said there is no need to retry him. minimum will be 60 yrs. that is life for him.
The DEFENSE lawyer said there is no need to retry him for the 1st degree murder charge. I'm sure that kid's parents want to see him found guilty of killing their child, which is what he did. But you are right, he'll basically be spending the rest of his life in prison. As for premeditation from what I understood listening to the attorneys on CNN premeditation can be as little as a few seconds...the time it took him to actually open his glove box to retrieve the gun, point it and pull the trigger. |
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Location: Florida.. | runs4fun - 2014-02-16 6:59 PM barn mom - 2014-02-16 6:54 PM the lawyer said there is no need to retry him. minimum will be 60 yrs. that is life for him. The DEFENSE lawyer said there is no need to retry him for the 1st degree murder charge. I'm sure that kid's parents want to see him found guilty of killing their child, which is what he did. But you are right, he'll basically be spending the rest of his life in prison. As for premeditation from what I understood listening to the attorneys on CNN premeditation can be as little as a few seconds...the time it took him to actually open his glove box to retrieve the gun, point it and pull the trigger.
that is why took the Jurors so long for.. there is a grey area there and it is confusing.. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-02-16 7:03 PM runs4fun - 2014-02-16 6:59 PM barn mom - 2014-02-16 6:54 PM the lawyer said there is no need to retry him. minimum will be 60 yrs. that is life for him. The DEFENSE lawyer said there is no need to retry him for the 1st degree murder charge. I'm sure that kid's parents want to see him found guilty of killing their child, which is what he did. But you are right, he'll basically be spending the rest of his life in prison. As for premeditation from what I understood listening to the attorneys on CNN premeditation can be as little as a few seconds...the time it took him to actually open his glove box to retrieve the gun, point it and pull the trigger.
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Location: SE Louisiana | runs4fun - 2014-02-16 6:10 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-02-16 7:03 PM runs4fun - 2014-02-16 6:59 PM barn mom - 2014-02-16 6:54 PM the lawyer said there is no need to retry him. minimum will be 60 yrs. that is life for him. The DEFENSE lawyer said there is no need to retry him for the 1st degree murder charge. I'm sure that kid's parents want to see him found guilty of killing their child, which is what he did. But you are right, he'll basically be spending the rest of his life in prison. As for premeditation from what I understood listening to the attorneys on CNN premeditation can be as little as a few seconds...the time it took him to actually open his glove box to retrieve the gun, point it and pull the trigger.
I agree if they can turn this action into premeditation they can twist any law into anything. But anything that happened AFTER the shooting cannot make it premeditated, doesn't matter what he did or ate. I agree he was wrong to not call 911 and report this right away. |
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Location: Florida.. | yes he should have left.. before he shot.and minded his own business as far as music..he was looking for trouble..
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Location: WYOMING | Bibliafarm - 2014-02-16 7:27 PM yes he should have left.. before he shot.and minded his own business as far as music..he was looking for trouble..
Troubles not hard to find in that part of town, or really any part of Jax... gettin scary here. But agreed.... loud music is not worth killing over whether premeditated or self defense. There is reasonable doubt for first degree since the boys drove off after the shooting then came back. Cops never searched their route for a disgarded weapon... so just because one wasnt found in the vehicle doest mean there wasnt one. We will never know... and the jury wont either.
... sad, sad, sad what happened.
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Location: Florida.. | geronabean - 2014-02-16 8:21 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-02-16 7:27 PM yes he should have left.. before he shot.and minded his own business as far as music..he was looking for trouble.. Troubles not hard to find in that part of town, or really any part of Jax... gettin scary here. But agreed.... loud music is not worth killing over whether premeditated or self defense. There is reasonable doubt for first degree since the boys drove off after the shooting then came back. Cops never searched their route for a disgarded weapon... so just because one wasnt found in the vehicle doest mean there wasnt one. We will never know... and the jury wont either.
... sad, sad, sad what happened.
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| komet. - 2014-02-16 7:27 PM runs4fun - 2014-02-16 6:10 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-02-16 7:03 PM runs4fun - 2014-02-16 6:59 PM barn mom - 2014-02-16 6:54 PM the lawyer said there is no need to retry him. minimum will be 60 yrs. that is life for him. The DEFENSE lawyer said there is no need to retry him for the 1st degree murder charge. I'm sure that kid's parents want to see him found guilty of killing their child, which is what he did. But you are right, he'll basically be spending the rest of his life in prison. As for premeditation from what I understood listening to the attorneys on CNN premeditation can be as little as a few seconds...the time it took him to actually open his glove box to retrieve the gun, point it and pull the trigger.. But anything that happened AFTER the shooting cannot make it premeditated, doesn't matter what he did or ate. I agree he was wrong to not call 911 and report this right away.
I went to a gas station one day - it was a Christmas Day, - a couple of years go. The streets were very quiet and nothing was open except a few convenience stores. Out of nowhere this car suddenly pulls in, boom box vibrating the very pavement I was standing on, 4 black teens in the car, with pants hanging low one jumps out and goes in. I'm left standing outside all alone with the booming music and the other 3 boys in the car right next to me. Quite frankly, I was very nervous. When the one boy comes out, he asks me directions which I gave him and he very nicely thanked me and off they went! I could complained about the music and he probably wouldn't of been quite as polite. We often get back from people what we give. I truly believe Michael Dunn is a jerk that started the whole thing by overreacting to a car full of kids with loud music that would of been gone in a few minutes if he'd just held his tongue. The music thing is something that the authorities need to be able to control but in our area it's been deemed something is allowed and most of us just ignore it.
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