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Location: Where I am happiest | Is anybody else as worried about the water situation and economy as I am?I am sitting here with a very nice mare we had planned to breed this year to a very sought after sire. Now? I'm not so sure if thats the smartest thing to do.
The western states are in a severe drought. NO water.To add on top of that, in Oregon we have the indians who have laid claim to hundreds of years old irrigation rights water to run free and keep the rivers spilling over their banks for the sport fishingThen on top of that we have the environmentalists vieing for the water in the tributaries, rivers, streams, and reseviors for a dang sucker fish. The result of all these pulls, is the farmers and ranchers have been cut off of irrigation water. No pasture/grazing grass, No irrigation for hay.
California has the environmentalists wanting to save a smelt fish, and a severe drought. All this spans the entire western states region. Then we have the economy which isnt good by any stretch of the imagination and economists are saying hold on, it's going to tank worse then ever in the next few months.
With all of these things in play, I am scared hay is going to be in VERY short supply and what little hay will be able to be found, is going to be sky high like prices we have never seen before. Not to mention the economy is going to make selling any horses next impossible. Not so sure I would be wise to breed this mare this year.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | And the liberal morons dumped good water into the Pacific instead of for irrigation because of some bait fish..I do believe they want to destroy this country. One said we could import our food. Makes sense...we finally are getting off of be dependant on the Middle East for oil so now they want us to be dependant on our food from some 3rd world country. Brilliant. |
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The Advice Guru
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| You are also forgetting fruit and vegetables, with all the crazy weather just food for human consumption prices will hit an all time high.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Yes indeed, at a bale of hay being $15 and going thru 2 bales per horse per week my paycheck doesn't stretch as far as it used to...and it's only going to go up. Got a few inches of rain last week but near enough to grow actual pasture for this spring. I have to chose between hay or gas money to get to work... |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Nevertooold - 2014-02-17 3:39 PM And the liberal morons dumped good water into the Pacific instead of for irrigation because of some bait fish..I do believe they want to destroy this country. One said we could import our food. Makes sense...we finally are getting off of be dependant on the Middle East for oil so now they want us to be dependant on our food from some 3rd world country. Brilliant.
I read an article that said California HAD in place resivoirs and holding tank's that would supply water for farmers for 5 years in the case of severe drought like now. The liberal idiots at the helm dismantled it all and lets it flow into the Pacific all for that stupid little smelt bait fish. |
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Location: In a happy place |
Read the book Every Drop For Sale. |
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Location: on my horse | I read about all that panicked and bought a couple tons more hay and plan to buy a little more every paycheck and hoard it like I do my own food.   |
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Location: Washington | Not stopping the masses from breeding. Go for it.  It's only money..... |
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Location: sunny california | I thought I was the only one that thought that way. I am looking at my barn only 30% full and getting nervous at the thought of getting decent hay. I was looking at prospects and i am thinking twice right now. i made it through the last hay crisis with 6 horses. I am down to 3 now. so I hope I make it!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Oh you bet, so dry here and up around Carrizo Springs Texas the water is being used up really fast. I know of a few places that are running dry.
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| We have been in a drought for several years. And even though people around us got some decent rains this past year, we didn't hardly get any. We have half a circle of hay and irrigate only that half unless it is laid down, then we'll water the other half which is crabgrass and rye. Last year, our alfalfa did way less than the previous year, and we didn't have any crabgrass until the very end of the year. Our sprinkler is pumping less water each year. And now hearing that other places across the country are struggling with drought. I'm very worried. Not just about the drought, about this nation as a whole. |
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| Scared is an understatement of how I feel about our current economic situation in this country. The people of my generation that think they are entitled to everything with no work scares the $h!t out of me ... especially when they begin to vote; by ranking social issues over economic issues. I do believe it is only going to get worse in my future and I'm not ok with it ...
I am intimately familiar with the moronic environmentalist attitudes in the PNW ... growing up with a few hundred acres and a 3rd generation seed stock sheep production farm, we dealt (and still do) with the most "special, tree hugging, liberal, morons".
The fight over waterways is ridiculous. For example: there is a small stream that heads out of a rock quarry located on our farm. The creek/ stream only crosses our property (running and providing water to two different summer pastures) before ending in the local river which runs to the Columbia and then out to the Pacific. The local environmentalists surveyed our property via airplane and have moved in court for us to fence off 25 feet from the creek as the sheep may walk in it and poop in it. Their reasoning is that the manure from the sheep will kill the young salmon that originate in the river that this creek dumps into. Mind you, they think it doesn't matter that the sheep are only around the creek during summer ... which is LONG after the salmon have hatched and moved onto the bigger waters down on the Columbia, roughly 10 miles away ... They are a special breed of special for sure as their is more pollution dumped in the rivers from the CITY of PORTLAND than all the ag in our area combined. *facepalm*
I think the water situation is only going to make hay prices skyrocket as well ... I currently live smack in the middle of the country and my parents are literally thinking it will be cheaper to pay my SO and I to truck semi loads of alfalfa to them than it will be to buy within the state .. crazy for sure!
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | ThreeCorners - 2014-02-17 3:56 PM Nevertooold - 2014-02-17 3:39 PM And the liberal morons dumped good water into the Pacific instead of for irrigation because of some bait fish..I do believe they want to destroy this country. One said we could import our food. Makes sense...we finally are getting off of be dependant on the Middle East for oil so now they want us to be dependant on our food from some 3rd world country. Brilliant. I read an article that said California HAD in place resivoirs and holding tank's that would supply water for farmers for 5 years in the case of severe drought like now. The liberal idiots at the helm dismantled it all and lets it flow into the Pacific all for that stupid little smelt bait fish.
Yes...Exactly what I was referring to. |
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Location: Right Where I'm Meant To Be :) | I'm really worried about the cost of fuel too |
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Location: Where I am happiest | cheryl makofka - 2014-02-17 3:41 PM You are also forgetting fruit and vegetables, with all the crazy weather just food for human consumption prices will hit an all time high.
Yep! Produce has already been climbing steady lately and I cant imagine what it's going to be come a few more months when the reality of such a drop in harvests hit. . Beef will also sky rocket as feed prices are going to go through the roof and any cattle held over will be on dry lot feed. |
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Location: That part of Texas | No rain, extremely high hay prices and people cutting back has been the norm in my area for about 3 years now. I'm thankful that I have cousins and close friends who grow hay and still give me a good deal on what I need. My neighbors have sold off their cattle herds and that also helps in not competing with them for our cattle and horse hay. My friends who are in the horse breeding business have cut back from having 4-5 babies to just 1 or possibly 2 while the market is so bad. I'm praying that the El Nino that's been predicted is going to happen. It would give us some much needed rain. |
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | ThreeCorners - 2014-02-17 3:56 PM Nevertooold - 2014-02-17 3:39 PM And the liberal morons dumped good water into the Pacific instead of for irrigation because of some bait fish..I do believe they want to destroy this country. One said we could import our food. Makes sense...we finally are getting off of be dependant on the Middle East for oil so now they want us to be dependant on our food from some 3rd world country. Brilliant. I read an article that said California HAD in place resivoirs and holding tank's that would supply water for farmers for 5 years in the case of severe drought like now. The liberal idiots at the helm dismantled it all and lets it flow into the Pacific all for that stupid little smelt bait fish.
I wish people would quit calling them liberals. They are COMMIES. They are insane. They want the government to control EVERYTHING and their insanity leads them to believe they are right about everything, when in REALITY, they are dead wrong. |
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Location: bring on the heat, NV | Absolutely our calf crop sucked last fall because of bad weather the year before but its looking awesome this year because last spring was good and we had a lot of open fat mommas.... My eight ball thingy says outlook not good  .
I had big plans to buy sheep but instead paid off bills. Im dying to order baby chicks but im thinking next year at best...
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Location: So. California | I'm very worried about the lack of rainfall and the water fights I see coming. It's going to be a disaster for our state, and it will have a huge impact on the country as a whole. California produces roughly 25% of the nations citrus crop (Florida is number 1), 45% of the nations fresh vegtables, and 21% of milk/milk products among many, many other food sources. We have received very little to no rain and those **** smelt are now getting all the farmers water - WTH? Where is common sense? Time to start another letter writing campaign to the idiots in DC...
In addition, they are also projecting up to 30% of our fields to lay barren this year due to lack of rainfall/water restrictions. This will have a HUGE impact on food prices all across the country! LA County has already started to ask for voluntary water conservation and the next step is manditory. Several counties in central California are doing the same, and some are trying to pushing through manditory restrictions now.
I don't even want to think about hay prices for cattle and horses.  |
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Location: Where I am happiest | http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/15-reasons-why-your-food-bill-is-going-to-start-soaring Chilling...... |
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