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no fighting -.-
I'm considering taking a coming 2yo filly on partial trade for a gelding of mine is why I'm asking.
ETA she is supposed to be cutting on top and hancock on bottom. Bay roan. Supposedly small. Waiting on reg name and pictures. looking at her thurs.
HER PEDIGREE: PLEASE TELL WHAT YOU THINK
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Location: Oklahoma | I have a 16 year old gelding and I love him to pieces. He likes to keep to himself, but with a few treats he won't leave you alone.
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Location: South Dakota | THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way. | |
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| http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hatchs+hd+hancock One of the nicest horses I have ever seen work. He also sired some of the nicest horses I have ever seen. | |
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| The lady where I board my horses has a true and proven 1D double bred hancock mare who is unreal, she is running 16's on a regulation pattern, one of the nicest mares i have seen. | |
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| this mare is young, not 2 yet so I think I have a better chance of her having a good attitude later but the stubborn and "naturally cold backed" bothers me. | |
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| Love them! Good bone, tuff, not fragile minded but some what like a mule in that they hold on to everything that you teach them. When training one they can try to take over, but if you can direct them right they train fast and easy. Show them once and they got, so.... show them wrong and it will take you awhile to fix. Gentle giants on the ground. If they are having a bad day you might as well go unsaddle and try again the next day. Joe Hancock himself was not known to be rank. The mares that they bred to him are what are known to pass on that perception. Now days it's hard to blame bad behavior on Hancock because it's such an old line. Go back 3 generations and see what is crossed with Hancock and it'll tell you more on what type of temperament you're gonna get.
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Location: Oklahoma | keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way.
Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much! | |
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Location: NC | I just got one. HAvn't been able to do much with her since I am 38wks pregnant. but from what I can tell she seems VERY VERY friendly, and willing to please. I got her and was told they has only been on her back a couple times and my husband decides he should get on her the first day she is at our house, with new horses running around, dogs barking and tractors driving by. She did great! you could tell she didn't know much but he just walked her around the round pen and she seemed very willing just not sure what he wanted. The people I got her from had never done any work to her feet and she let us pick them out pretty easily the first day and the farrier was able to trim her front no problem but said she got a little tougher with the back.
So far I am impressed with her and CAN'T wait to start riding her!
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Location: South Dakota | Longneck - 2014-02-19 8:57 AM
keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way.
Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much!Â
 I'm not necessarily saying that her being "hard to catch" is genetic, no. It's that whomever trained her made her hard to catch and since she's so smart/stubborn (I'm not sure which it is yet, lol) I CANNOT get it worked out of her! | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | keller235 - 2014-02-19 10:02 AM
Longneck - 2014-02-19 8:57 AM
keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way.
Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much! I'm not necessarily saying that her being "hard to catch" is genetic, no. It's that whomever trained her made her hard to catch and since she's so smart/stubborn (I'm not sure which it is yet, lol ) I CANNOT get it worked out of her!
You both need to look into a method called 'Taught to be Caught'. This actually works well on a Hancock. But don't let up the first few times they come to you... keep drilling it in. | |
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| komet. - 2014-02-19 10:09 AM
keller235 - 2014-02-19 10:02 AM
Longneck - 2014-02-19 8:57 AM
keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way.
Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much! I'm not necessarily saying that her being "hard to catch" is genetic, no. It's that whomever trained her made her hard to catch and since she's so smart/stubborn (I'm not sure which it is yet, lol ) I CANNOT get it worked out of her!
You both need to look into a method called 'Taught to be Caught'. This actually works well on a Hancock. But don't let up the first few times they come to you... keep drilling it in.
tell me more about the method. where do i find info on it? | |
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| HorsesNHarleys - 2014-02-19 10:00 AM I just got one. HAvn't been able to do much with her since I am 38wks pregnant. but from what I can tell she seems VERY VERY friendly, and willing to please. I got her and was told they has only been on her back a couple times and my husband decides he should get on her the first day she is at our house, with new horses running around, dogs barking and tractors driving by. She did great! you could tell she didn't know much but he just walked her around the round pen and she seemed very willing just not sure what he wanted. The people I got her from had never done any work to her feet and she let us pick them out pretty easily the first day and the farrier was able to trim her front no problem but said she got a little tougher with the back.
So far I am impressed with her and CAN'T wait to start riding her!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bvh+bad+fast
I'm jealous! love Blue Valentine horses and Heck No Hancock was a very nice stud. I have a grandson of his. Blue Valentine was a very gentle and his offspring are known to be too. Very impressive in the box, quick out. Good bones and feet! Pic? | |
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Location: Oklahoma | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-02-19 10:11 AM komet. - 2014-02-19 10:09 AM keller235 - 2014-02-19 10:02 AM Longneck - 2014-02-19 8:57 AM keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way. Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much! I'm not necessarily saying that her being "hard to catch" is genetic, no. It's that whomever trained her made her hard to catch and since she's so smart/stubborn (I'm not sure which it is yet, lol ) I CANNOT get it worked out of her! You both need to look into a method called 'Taught to be Caught'. This actually works well on a Hancock. But don't let up the first few times they come to you... keep drilling it in. tell me more about the method. where do i find info on it?
Yes, I'm interested!! I tried Googling, but didn't find anything specific to those terms.
I did see an infographic on Pinterest a few days ago about body language and how it can look sometimes like a predator coming for your horse if you hide the lead rope in one hand behind your back and have the other hand out showing that it's free. It looks just as if you're a predator coming in for his prey. I thought it was very interesting... might be common knowledge, but it was new to me! | |
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Location: NC | FlyingJT - 2014-02-19 10:11 AM HorsesNHarleys - 2014-02-19 10:00 AM I just got one. HAvn't been able to do much with her since I am 38wks pregnant. but from what I can tell she seems VERY VERY friendly, and willing to please. I got her and was told they has only been on her back a couple times and my husband decides he should get on her the first day she is at our house, with new horses running around, dogs barking and tractors driving by. She did great! you could tell she didn't know much but he just walked her around the round pen and she seemed very willing just not sure what he wanted. The people I got her from had never done any work to her feet and she let us pick them out pretty easily the first day and the farrier was able to trim her front no problem but said she got a little tougher with the back.
So far I am impressed with her and CAN'T wait to start riding her!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bvh+bad+fastI'm jealous! love Blue Valentine horses and Heck No Hancock was a very nice stud. I have a grandson of his. Blue Valentine was a very gentle and his offspring are known to be too. Very impressive in the box, quick out. Good bones and feet! Pic?
I don't have many but here are a few.
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Location: SE Louisiana | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-02-19 10:11 AM
komet. - 2014-02-19 10:09 AM
keller235 - 2014-02-19 10:02 AM
Longneck - 2014-02-19 8:57 AM
keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way.
Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much! I'm not necessarily saying that her being "hard to catch" is genetic, no. It's that whomever trained her made her hard to catch and since she's so smart/stubborn (I'm not sure which it is yet, lol ) I CANNOT get it worked out of her!
You both need to look into a method called 'Taught to be Caught'. This actually works well on a Hancock. But don't let up the first few times they come to you... keep drilling it in.
tell me more about the method. where do i find info on it?
You can find it online using "taught to be caught" in quotation marks with the word horse outside the marks, in any search engine. There are even some videos out there. There are several personal methods by different trainers. It is all work in a round pen.
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| Longneck - 2014-02-19 10:16 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-02-19 10:11 AM komet. - 2014-02-19 10:09 AM keller235 - 2014-02-19 10:02 AM Longneck - 2014-02-19 8:57 AM keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way. Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much! I'm not necessarily saying that her being "hard to catch" is genetic, no. It's that whomever trained her made her hard to catch and since she's so smart/stubborn (I'm not sure which it is yet, lol ) I CANNOT get it worked out of her! You both need to look into a method called 'Taught to be Caught'. This actually works well on a Hancock. But don't let up the first few times they come to you... keep drilling it in. tell me more about the method. where do i find info on it?
I did see an infographic on Pinterest a few days ago about body language and how it can look sometimes like a predator coming for your horse if you hide the lead rope in one hand behind your back and have the other hand out showing that it's free. It looks just as if you're a predator coming in for his prey. I thought it was very interesting... might be common knowledge, but it was new to me!Â
I have 3 horses and all but the one im selling or possibly part trading for the hancock filly come to me anywhere, anytime. Everyone has had tons of hours of Clinton Anderson. I know some horses are more prone to being hard to catch due to personality and training I just don't want to dive into a difficult situation. I'd rather not trade one mouth to feed for another but I LOVE babies.... and roans lol | |
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Location: Texas | I bought my gelding because of his dam's bloodlines. Then discovered he was line bred Hancock on his sire's side. I had him broke to ride, and he never bucked. He is now my favorite horse. He's smart and willing to please. Really, he is one of the smartest horses I've ever had. | |
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Location: Southern OK aka God's Country | I have a double-bred Hancock mare that I wouldn't take for. She will never be for sale. She has never bitten, kicked, bucked--her only downfall is she is a little on the lazy side but with regular riding she is getting better about moving out and staying together. I know PJ Burger was running a palomino Hancock mare that was a bad*ss B. She was neat to watch (that's been a year or 2 ago). I think her name was Lucy, not sure what became of her. Here is my mare being shown by my 3 year old.
I think people either have a good one or bad one and that shapes their opinion on them from there out. But really that could go for any bloodline, so I'm not sure why Hancocks get such a bad rap.
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| Have a friend that has one. He's either smoking a run or acting like a nut. Never cold backed, just a little nutty. Gets hot very, very easily but he is absolutely gorgeous and super easy to run on his good days. Rarely hits. | |
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