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| Breeding to get the best traits possible, what types of foals would you buy? Out of a mare with names (fwf, fg, dtf) on her papers or a mare that has progeny that has earned $15,000+ on equistat? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | TerRNeh - 2014-02-22 8:32 PM Breeding to get the best traits possible, what types of foals would you buy? Out of a mare with names (fwf, fg, dtf) on her papers or a mare that has progeny that has earned $15,000+ on equistat?
Proven over pedigree |
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| I would want both
Proven and Pedigree
It also has to do with train ability of the horses, style of the horses, as I know my strengths and weaknesses and want a horse to compliment that |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | cheryl makofka - 2014-02-22 8:37 PM I would want both Proven and Pedigree It also has to do with train ability of the horses, style of the horses, as I know my strengths and weaknesses and want a horse to compliment that Well, I would want both too and a golden chariot for him to pull me around in but......if I had to choose lol.....
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| Depends on age for me. If I am looking at a weanling - 2yr old I am going to look at a proven pedigree only, if it is age 2-5 I am going to look at a combination of what the horse has done and/or is doing and if the pedigree is proven. If it is going on the barrels and more finished I honestly don't care how its bred, I more look for stuff in the pedigree that I don't like. |
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| Well that's the thing. I've been looking and I'm either looking at proven mares with offspring on equi stat that are between $10,000 to $20,000 but lines no one knows of or daughters of horses like fg, fwf, tres seis. It's such a gamble. Any help would be great. Lol. If you know of any super nice mares that would cross nicely on a Stoli/on a high stud. Let me know! Lol
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Location: Where I am happiest | Are you looking to keep or to sell? If your looking to raise foals to sell, you better go with daughters of well known. If your trying to sell a foal out of mares nobody has heard of, your probably going to keep them a long time or sell very cheap. When selling prospect, pedigree will always sell. |
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| So your saying mares that have offspring in the $20,000 is not enough. What amount of $$$$ makes a mare a selling point?
Selling is the ultimate goal.
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| Look into the future for the next 5-10-15-20 years and just add you some speed mares in order to be competitive .... all of the horses running today will be like the ones we admire from the 70's thru the 90's. Speed is the necessary ingredient to keep winning in barrels !!
When 2000 rolled around breeders woke up and added speed and more speed to their ranch horse bred barrel stallion's broodmare bands ..... it took several years for them to re-gain their sire status ....
Guess who kicked butt ... DASH TA FAME with race track bred mares !!
When listening to advice ....
Always pay attention to the horse they rode up on .....
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Location: CA | Neither. Conformation first. I don't care who their daddy is, if they're built like a fugly mugly I don't want anything to do with them. For me, pedigree and earnings are a bonus only if conformation is there. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Grunt - 2014-02-23 12:42 AM
Neither. Conformation first. I don't care who their daddy is, if they're built like a fugly mugly I don't want anything to do with them. For me, pedigree and earnings are a bonus only if conformation is there.
You have a very valid point and conformation is extremely important. I've seen some horses that weren't pretty run though. OP you're looking for the whole package if you want to sell. It's not which is more important, because it's all important and if you are looking at something lacking then you need to keep looking. It's breeding the BEST that you can to the BEST that you can.....and if your best is lacking then you shouldn't be breeding. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Ps that wasn't directed at you...just a general statement. I breed and critique myself continuously. I doubt myself and tell myself everyday that I could do and can do better. My opinion is that too many people breed and that I am probably one of the too many. I do it because I genuinely want to improve the breed. I want to be a Walter Merrick or a Scoop Vessels. If you want to sell and be successful at it, you need the whole package, pedigree, conformation, proven sire and dam.....etc.... |
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| To me a pedigree gives you an idea of the potential a horse may have but a horse that's a proven producer has shown that they can and do produce performers. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | If you are selling youngsters. (Not yet old enough to do anything themselves.) I think most people prefer pedigree. (If it is one or the other. Pedigree OR proven.) There ARE people out there that have trouble selling their babies because the mare, while proven, doesn't have the "right" pedigree. (The above is assuming that the confdormation and dispisition is also there.) |
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| At this stage we're building a herd so there's trial and error here. I agree with you about the tons of breeders out there right now. I speak to a lot of people and most say they haven't seen a bad cross yet, some are obviously better then others. I'm skeptical of this. Just when looking at how lucky we are that all the chromosomes line up properly every time. That's the flip side of this. While we are accumulating mares we need ones that if dont cross to our high expectations, they need to be marketable to go compliment someone else's stud. But I'm not going to lie, I'm not a huge fan of "well this horse was fg top, dfc bottom and won so I'm going to breed that too". Because how many horses crossed the same year after year yield champions? Like Clayton where are his kids? Aren't they futurity age? Genetically that's the same lines as scamper and he is an immortal in the barrel world as far as I'm concerned. |
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Location: sunny california | I am presently looking at prospects. I have looked at more fashionable barrel breeding but the conformation was simply not there for my price range.
I am presently looking at a farm that breeds nice horses but one of the stallions babies are not selling that well. They breed cutting horses and this stud is over 16 hands. They have a colt that has good conformation and a nice way of going. He also has a nice attitude and is very trainable. I think I am going with him. The breeder is very carefull about diet. I will not waste my time looking, nor my money on vet checks for colts out of a half thought out program. |
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| So what mount of money must a mares offspring win to be considered a proven producer? |
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| For barrel market, I've noticed people care more about names than produce. In the race world they are weighted almost equally, and mares really need to be stakes producers to warrant pricey foals.
I don't know what the "magic" number in barrel racing earnings is, but $15k seems really low to me.
I breed race babies primarily and the mares I pick are produce first, pedigree second. I also look at what their dams have produced....I want the best possible chance of getting a successful horse.
I have a large variety of genetic diversity...but my mares have a lot in common when it comes to what they produce. |
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| So if 15,000 is low what would be the minimum $ amount you'd consider proven? |
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| TerRNeh - 2014-02-23 1:01 PM
So if 15,000 is low what would be the minimum $ amount you'd consider proven?
We have a retired race horse here he won about 38,000 highest winning offspring of his father and mother to date, he was a second place cheep claimer.
To me its not so much how much money has been won its WHERE has that money been won? |
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