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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Because I am just curious, and I put this on my FB yesterday and got a variety of answers, I am putting it up here as well. When a mare owner spends $$$$ on stud fees, the cost of repro, vet bills, feed and vet care, what are the reasons to NOT register the resulting foal? Provided it is healthy and doing well. I am not talking about mares whose foals died before they were old enough to be registered, ect. I am talking about bonafide futurity prospects, out of well bred mares, that have simply not been registered. I am not directing this at anyone, I am not trying to be snarky. I just want to know the reasoning behind it. Please add your own answers. I put the answers I got on FB last night, below.
Edited by rockinas 2014-02-28 11:50 AM
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  Queen Boobie 2
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| Sometimes I procrastinate past the 7 month birthdate and have to pay more, but I never have waited until they were yearlings.
In my mind, stupid not to register them...pretty much renders them worth a LOT less. |
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 More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I'm really shocked that more people don't register? That's crazy. I register everything, I also transfer anything I purchase. One of my pet peeves is people that don't transfer.
I would guess people are just plain lazy. After spending that kind of money for stud fees and AI/vet fees I can't believe money would be an issue as to why they aren't registering. Laziness or stupidity. |
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 Texas Lone Star
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | I register everything I breed or foal out and around 6 months old.
I think some are just lazy and don't care.
Even if papers don't make a horse more valuable, it's nice to know what makes up the horse.
It would be nice if AQHA wouldn't ask an arm and leg to go thru the process for a grade horse to DNA for registeration. I've had 2 really nice bred horses that I bought grade and always wondered what actual line they came from. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | i dont know why you wouldn't(i gonna go with pure lazy)........i usually have the pics and paper work done within the first week(hence the bad pics......lol) ..........and i also send updates to the stud owners once i get things goin.....;)
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 Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I think a lot more die than a person thinks. I register just about as soon as they are born so most are already papered when they die. I know we lost one that was stepped on while still on the mare, one as a yearling that got cast in the night, one was struck by lightning, one died at 2 weeks before it was reg though, just laid down and died. And last summer I had to put one down that had some joint issue...oh and another one a few years ago that was bit by a rattle snake. I'm pretty small time breeder with no more than 10 mares at any time. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-02-25 8:59 AM I think a lot more die than a person thinks. I register just about as soon as they are born so most are already papered when they die. I know we lost one that was stepped on while still on the mare, one as a yearling that got cast in the night, one was struck by lightning, one died at 2 weeks before it was reg though, just laid down and died. And last summer I had to put one down that had some joint issue...oh and another one a few years ago that was bit by a rattle snake. I'm pretty small time breeder with no more than 10 mares at any time. That is some really rotten luck!!!!
While I know that some will die, I also know of a few, some even being ridden, that have never been papered.
A few months ago, I saw a horse sired by one of our stallions being advertised as a futurity prospect and eligible for breeders incentives. Since we are not a huge operation, I remembered shipping the semen for that particular colt's dam. When I looked the horse up on the AQHA website, at the time, he had never been registered. Maybe he has been since but at that point it was going to cost a lot of money to get it registered.
I don't know how a grade horse can be eligible for breeders futurity incentives since most of them require papers of some sort to enroll.
Edited by rockinas 2014-02-25 9:38 AM
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Location: SW MO | We register all of ours. We try to keep track of our foals to see where they are and what they are doing, so that we know what our horses are producing good or bad. It much easier to do if you name them. I just hate it when someone changes their registered name because that makes it harder to do that. |
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Who Wants to Trade?
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| We register early. So far we've only lost foals under a week old. We've had some try to die, but fail LOL!
I do know of a known breeder who ETs a lot of their mares...they flushed 2 embryos out of a nice enough mare, put both in recips, thought only 1 took, both foaled, and they refused to pay the extra stud fee (makes zero sense to me) so the uglier of the 2 was left as grade. Last I heard he was about 6 or 7, unbroke, and standing in a run because they wanted registered price for him...I still don't understand it! |
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Location: NW. Florida | I can't imagine going through the stallion search, finding the one that you think best suits your mare, and then the expense then not registering the foal makes no sence to me. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Carbon Copy - 2014-02-25 8:27 AM I can't imagine going through the stallion search, finding the one that you think best suits your mare, and then the expense then not registering the foal makes no sence to me.
I agree so much with this. I have names picked out before they are even born! Heck my "pinkish" colt I had born by Amy's stud was registered as a palomino before he actually turned palomino. He had white coming in his mane and amber eyes so I just knew! |
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 Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | I'm not a breeder, but have bought two foals in the past, from different breeders. One was already registered, the other was not. I was a little peeved that I had to pay for the registration and transfer for one of them, I felt like it was the breeder's responsibility. I don't think the buyer should have to deal with the hassle, it should be part of the breeder's responsibility. |
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Fire Ant Peddler
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| Mine are registered within a week and have the papers back within three weeks of the birth. You never know what life dishes out and I want my horses to be sold at their value not garage sale prices. |
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Location: Kentucky | I register as soon as I can. I find it hard to believe that anyone would say it costs to much when they just spent thousands on stud fees and vet fees. Registering the foal is like my reward for all that money spent!
Edited by Murphy 2014-02-25 9:36 AM
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | rockinas - 2014-02-25 8:19 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-02-25 8:59 AM I think a lot more die than a person thinks. I register just about as soon as they are born so most are already papered when they die. I know we lost one that was stepped on while still on the mare, one as a yearling that got cast in the night, one was struck by lightning, one died at 2 weeks before it was reg though, just laid down and died. And last summer I had to put one down that had some joint issue...oh and another one a few years ago that was bit by a rattle snake. I'm pretty small time breeder with no more than 10 mares at any time. That is some really rotten luck!!!!
While I know that some will die, I also know of several that were born, alive, that are still alive, of riding age, some even being ridden, that have never been papered. Those are the types of deals I am questioning.
A few months ago, I saw a horse sired by one of our stallions being advertised as a futurity prospect and eligible for breeders incentives. When I looked the horse up on the AQHA website, it had never been registered. And at that point it was going to cost a lot of money to get it registered.
I don't know how a grade horse can be eligible for breeders futurity incentives since most of them require papers of some sort to enroll.
Tell me about it. The one that died at 2 weeks was by Corona Caliente (who stood for $5000 at the time) and our Dean Miracle mare. Only foal she ever had too.
The snake bit filly we Dr'd on for 3 months and she finally got infection in the joint above her hoof. It bit her when she was 2 days old. The yearling laid down next to the feeder that night and apparently got cast as she was dead upside down when we found her the next morning.
Of course the lightning was just a freak deal. I'm surprised it didn't get the mare...or more of the mares/foals. |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | May I ask how much it costs to register a foal? I've never bred anything before (nor do I plan to anytime soon!), but I would think it would be something you'd go ahead and budget in. |
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Best of the Badlands
Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Longneck - 2014-02-25 9:39 AM May I ask how much it costs to register a foal? I've never bred anything before (nor do I plan to anytime soon!), but I would think it would be something you'd go ahead and budget in.
For an AQHA foal:
foaling-7 months $30
7-12 months $60
12-24 months $150
25 months-36 months $300
37 months-48 months $400
after 48 months $500 + parentage verification
Shipped semen or embryo transfer foals also require parentage verification which is an additional $40. |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | Wow! That really is just a drop in the bucket compared to stud fees!! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Okay, I'm on top of registering those I breed. I WILL NOT have a foal I bred leave my place without papers. Zephyr was registered at 3 months. I will have the paperwork for this next one in even sooner. Nor will I breed one that is not eligible for them.
Now, my FIL, he toots around about it. They usually get registered but sometimes not until they are 3 or 4. I will note that everything he has bred, we've kept though, not sold. |
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 Northern Chocolate Queen
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Location: ND | Mine have all been registered before they turned 6 months old.....if you can't afford the wopping $30 to get them registered you probably shouldn't be raising a foal. I don't see any good reason not to register them, it protects the horse down the road as we all know that a registered horse has a better chance in the world than a grade one. And it also opens the door for the owner to sell for more money since grade horses typically bring less. |
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