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Location: Never in one place long | http://news.yahoo.com/vegetarian-diets-lower-blood-pressure-best-13... I thought the above was an interesting article.... About 8 mos ago I decided to change my diet to about 98% vegetarian (never have really cared for meat) for many reasons and I have to say I've never felt better. ( I have also been exercising more as I'm sure that is a factor as well). I do eat meat occasionaly but just wonder sometimes if it people eat it too much and how healthy it really is as it seems research has shown that it's not always the healthiest option. I suppose it depends on the type of meat you eat as well... just wondered if anyone has made the switch or switched to grass fed, vegetarian fed meat etc. I know many people think you need meat for protein but I've found that there are so many other protein rich foods out there that aren't as fattening. | |
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Location: Kansas | Had an interesting conversation just this morning with a lady who is very green vegetable oriented. She said humans were never meant to eat meat.....if they had been they'd have claws and fangs like lions and wolves. When you think about we're more the rabbits, sheep and cows.....meant to eat plants.
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| Frodo - 2014-02-25 1:52 PM
Had an interesting conversation just this morning with a lady who is very green vegetable oriented. She said humans were never meant to eat meat.....if they had been they'd have claws and fangs like lions and wolves. When you think about we're more the rabbits, sheep and cows.....meant to eat plants.
Made great sense but I'm still eating meat.   Â
It all depends if you believe in god or theory of evolution.
If you believe in god, one can argue he did not design people with claws or fangs but gave them the tools to hunt and gather meat to eat.
If you believe in the theory of evolution, humans once may have had claws and/or fangs then as we evolved we didn't need those tools to hunt and gather meat as we made our own tools.
I believe that there is a lot of merit in fruits and vegetables as most people don't eat enough.
For completely vegetarian I have to disagree with when it comes to children as it has been proven children under 3 need the whole milk,vet the fat iis needed for brain development | |
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | Frodo - 2014-02-25 12:52 PM Had an interesting conversation just this morning with a lady who is very green vegetable oriented. She said humans were never meant to eat meat.....if they had been they'd have claws and fangs like lions and wolves. When you think about we're more the rabbits, sheep and cows.....meant to eat plants.
Made great sense but I'm still eating meat.
Not to change the subject, but I know of some women with those same characteristics.... | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-02-25 3:18 PM Frodo - 2014-02-25 1:52 PM Had an interesting conversation just this morning with a lady who is very green vegetable oriented. She said humans were never meant to eat meat.....if they had been they'd have claws and fangs like lions and wolves. When you think about we're more the rabbits, sheep and cows.....meant to eat plants.
Made great sense but I'm still eating meat. It all depends if you believe in god or theory of evolution. If you believe in god, one can argue he did not design people with claws or fangs but gave them the tools to hunt and gather meat to eat. If you believe in the theory of evolution, humans once may have had claws and/or fangs then as we evolved we didn't need those tools to hunt and gather meat as we made our own tools. I believe that there is a lot of merit in fruits and vegetables as most people don't eat enough. For completely vegetarian I have to disagree with when it comes to children as it has been proven children under 3 need the whole milk,vet the fat iis needed for brain development
^Agreed.
I do not think that humans were not meant to eat meat. We do, however, eat WAY more than we should. From what I have read, seen, and experienced, meat is supposed to be more of an "accent" to our diet. What I mean is that it is not supposed to be the main course. In American culture, we worship meat. LOL. It's the main dish when it should be more of a side.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Just Plain Lucky - 2014-02-25 3:03 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-25 3:18 PM Frodo - 2014-02-25 1:52 PM Had an interesting conversation just this morning with a lady who is very green vegetable oriented. She said humans were never meant to eat meat.....if they had been they'd have claws and fangs like lions and wolves. When you think about we're more the rabbits, sheep and cows.....meant to eat plants.
Made great sense but I'm still eating meat. It all depends if you believe in god or theory of evolution. If you believe in god, one can argue he did not design people with claws or fangs but gave them the tools to hunt and gather meat to eat. If you believe in the theory of evolution, humans once may have had claws and/or fangs then as we evolved we didn't need those tools to hunt and gather meat as we made our own tools. I believe that there is a lot of merit in fruits and vegetables as most people don't eat enough. For completely vegetarian I have to disagree with when it comes to children as it has been proven children under 3 need the whole milk,vet the fat iis needed for brain development
I do not think that humans were not meant to eat meat. We do, however, eat WAY more than we should. From what I have read, seen, and experienced, meat is supposed to be more of an "accent" to our diet. What I mean is that it is not supposed to be the main course. In American culture, we worship meat. LOL. It's the main dish when it should be more of a side.
Mmmm depends on locality. Those living in colder climates (including ice age type) have always had to rely much more heavily on a meat diet, as much as 97%. | |
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cheryl makofka - 2014-02-25 3:18 PM Frodo - 2014-02-25 1:52 PM Had an interesting conversation just this morning with a lady who is very green vegetable oriented. She said humans were never meant to eat meat.....if they had been they'd have claws and fangs like lions and wolves. When you think about we're more the rabbits, sheep and cows.....meant to eat plants.
Made great sense but I'm still eating meat.    It all depends if you believe in god or theory of evolution. If you believe in god, one can argue he did not design people with claws or fangs but gave them the tools to hunt and gather meat to eat. If you believe in the theory of evolution, humans once may have had claws and/or fangs then as we evolved we didn't need those tools to hunt and gather meat as we made our own tools. I believe that there is a lot of merit in fruits and vegetables as most people don't eat enough. For completely vegetarian I have to disagree with when it comes to children as it has been proven children under 3 need the whole milk,vet the fat iis needed for brain development
I do not think that humans were not meant to eat meat. We do, however, eat WAY more than we should. From what I have read, seen, and experienced, meat is supposed to be more of an "accent" to our diet. What I mean is that it is not supposed to be the main course. In American culture, we worship meat. LOL. It's the main dish when it should be more of a side. Â
^^^^^^AGREE 100%, it's ok to eat some meat and dairy but I think you are very right, it should be eaten VERY moderatly if at all. | |
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| oija - 2014-02-25 4:04 PM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-02-25 3:03 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-25 3:18 PM Frodo - 2014-02-25 1:52 PM Had an interesting conversation just this morning with a lady who is very green vegetable oriented. She said humans were never meant to eat meat.....if they had been they'd have claws and fangs like lions and wolves. When you think about we're more the rabbits, sheep and cows.....meant to eat plants.
Made great sense but I'm still eating meat. It all depends if you believe in god or theory of evolution. If you believe in god, one can argue he did not design people with claws or fangs but gave them the tools to hunt and gather meat to eat. If you believe in the theory of evolution, humans once may have had claws and/or fangs then as we evolved we didn't need those tools to hunt and gather meat as we made our own tools. I believe that there is a lot of merit in fruits and vegetables as most people don't eat enough. For completely vegetarian I have to disagree with when it comes to children as it has been proven children under 3 need the whole milk,vet the fat iis needed for brain development
I do not think that humans were not meant to eat meat. We do, however, eat WAY more than we should. From what I have read, seen, and experienced, meat is supposed to be more of an "accent" to our diet. What I mean is that it is not supposed to be the main course. In American culture, we worship meat. LOL. It's the main dish when it should be more of a side.
I was speaking in today's terms in first world countries. Obviously in the past when life was hard, and in very cold climates (ice age conditions lol) it is/was probably smart to get as much protien/fat as possible.
I was mostly talking about those darn chubby 'Mericans. | |
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Location: Never in one place long | Frodo - 2014-02-25 1:52 PM
Had an interesting conversation just this morning with a lady who is very green vegetable oriented. She said humans were never meant to eat meat.....if they had been they'd have claws and fangs like lions and wolves. When you think about we're more the rabbits, sheep and cows.....meant to eat plants.
Made great sense but I'm still eating meat.   Â
I think many people eat it because they like it but it's not necessarily good for you... at least not in the high proportions that it is eaten in. I understand some cultures who live in extreme conditions eat high amounts of meat but most people have the option not to. I also enjoyed watching forks over knives.... interesting documentary. | |
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| Just Plain Lucky - 2014-02-25 3:08 PM
oija - 2014-02-25 4:04 PM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-02-25 3:03 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-25 3:18 PM Frodo - 2014-02-25 1:52 PM Had an interesting conversation just this morning with a lady who is very green vegetable oriented. She said humans were never meant to eat meat.....if they had been they'd have claws and fangs like lions and wolves. When you think about we're more the rabbits, sheep and cows.....meant to eat plants.
Made great sense but I'm still eating meat.    It all depends if you believe in god or theory of evolution. If you believe in god, one can argue he did not design people with claws or fangs but gave them the tools to hunt and gather meat to eat. If you believe in the theory of evolution, humans once may have had claws and/or fangs then as we evolved we didn't need those tools to hunt and gather meat as we made our own tools. I believe that there is a lot of merit in fruits and vegetables as most people don't eat enough. For completely vegetarian I have to disagree with when it comes to children as it has been proven children under 3 need the whole milk,vet the fat iis needed for brain development
I do not think that humans were not meant to eat meat. We do, however, eat WAY more than we should. From what I have read, seen, and experienced, meat is supposed to be more of an "accent" to our diet. What I mean is that it is not supposed to be the main course. In American culture, we worship meat. LOL. It's the main dish when it should be more of a side.
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I was mostly talking about those darn chubby 'Mericans.Â
Alaska, your on, north west territories, all in North America, all in first world countries, still depend on hunting moreso in the winter as fruits and veggies very expensive to get up there | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-02-25 4:13 PM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-02-25 3:08 PM oija - 2014-02-25 4:04 PM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-02-25 3:03 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-25 3:18 PM Frodo - 2014-02-25 1:52 PM Had an interesting conversation just this morning with a lady who is very green vegetable oriented. She said humans were never meant to eat meat.....if they had been they'd have claws and fangs like lions and wolves. When you think about we're more the rabbits, sheep and cows.....meant to eat plants.
Made great sense but I'm still eating meat. It all depends if you believe in god or theory of evolution. If you believe in god, one can argue he did not design people with claws or fangs but gave them the tools to hunt and gather meat to eat. If you believe in the theory of evolution, humans once may have had claws and/or fangs then as we evolved we didn't need those tools to hunt and gather meat as we made our own tools. I believe that there is a lot of merit in fruits and vegetables as most people don't eat enough. For completely vegetarian I have to disagree with when it comes to children as it has been proven children under 3 need the whole milk,vet the fat iis needed for brain development
I do not think that humans were not meant to eat meat. We do, however, eat WAY more than we should. From what I have read, seen, and experienced, meat is supposed to be more of an "accent" to our diet. What I mean is that it is not supposed to be the main course. In American culture, we worship meat. LOL. It's the main dish when it should be more of a side.
I was mostly talking about those darn chubby 'Mericans. Alaska, your on, north west territories, all in North America, all in first world countries, still depend on hunting moreso in the winter as fruits and veggies very expensive to get up there
I get it.
How about this: Many people eat far more meat than they should. Many people eat way more than they need to, period. There are exceptions, of course. In harsher climates with where veggies can be scarce, meat is probably the best option.
I am not anti-meat. Seriously...I'm one of the chubbies.  | |
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| I catch heck for it daily, (especially being the daughter of an OK beef cattle rancher) but I am vegan. No, not the PETA, rodeo protesting, chain-myself-to-the-testing-facility vegan. I like to call myself a dietary vegan. I made the switch for my health. And yes, I have to make sure that I am getting enough calcium, and contrary to popular belief, there are many other options besides meat to get your protein that are delicious and good for you. I shop better than I used to, had to get more creative with my cooking, have lost 20 lbs (no other changes, like increased exercise), and have WAY more energy than I used to. If it is well-planned, a vegetarian/vegan diet can be very beneficial. In contrast, if it is NOT well thought out, it can be just as bad for you as eating a ton of red meat (remember, cheetos and oreos are vegetarian ). | |
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| Just Plain Lucky - 2014-02-25 3:22 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-02-25 4:13 PM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-02-25 3:08 PM oija - 2014-02-25 4:04 PM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-02-25 3:03 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-25 3:18 PM Frodo - 2014-02-25 1:52 PM Had an interesting conversation just this morning with a lady who is very green vegetable oriented. She said humans were never meant to eat meat.....if they had been they'd have claws and fangs like lions and wolves. When you think about we're more the rabbits, sheep and cows.....meant to eat plants.
Made great sense but I'm still eating meat.    It all depends if you believe in god or theory of evolution. If you believe in god, one can argue he did not design people with claws or fangs but gave them the tools to hunt and gather meat to eat. If you believe in the theory of evolution, humans once may have had claws and/or fangs then as we evolved we didn't need those tools to hunt and gather meat as we made our own tools. I believe that there is a lot of merit in fruits and vegetables as most people don't eat enough. For completely vegetarian I have to disagree with when it comes to children as it has been proven children under 3 need the whole milk,vet the fat iis needed for brain development
I do not think that humans were not meant to eat meat. We do, however, eat WAY more than we should. From what I have read, seen, and experienced, meat is supposed to be more of an "accent" to our diet. What I mean is that it is not supposed to be the main course. In American culture, we worship meat. LOL. It's the main dish when it should be more of a side.
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I was mostly talking about those darn chubby 'Mericans. Alaska, your on, north west territories, all in North America, all in first world countries, still depend on hunting moreso in the winter as fruits and veggies very expensive to get up there
How about this: Many people eat far more meat than they should. Many people eat way more than they need to, period. There are exceptions, of course. In harsher climates with where veggies can be scarce, meat is probably the best option. Â
I am not anti-meat. Seriously...I'm one of the chubbies.
Lol not trying to start anything
A daily intake should be 2-3 servings of meat and alternatives per day, the serving size should be 75 grams, 30 grams to an ounce, so less then 3 ounces per serving. | |
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Location: North Dakota | I agree that many over indulge in meat. Half of your meal should be fruit and/or veggies and only a quarter meat. Veggies should be the main portion of the dish instead of the side which is what we have turned them into. But I do know very unhealthy vegetarians that eat lots of pasta and soy products. I am not an advocate for a lot of soy and I cannot stand tofu! My husband came from a vegetarian family and was raised vegetarian. He didn't start eating meat until he met me. He now loves a nice medium-rare steak...lol. He was pretty small when I met him. He was never meant to be a big guy but he has put on quite a bit of weight (in a good way) since I have been the one feeding him. hahaha! His mom would make comments that he is putting weight on and getting fat. I would get so angry with her because I thought he was looking amazing and fit but she thought he was putting on too much weight. To me he finally looked healthy and fed! He was turning into a man and not a little boy anymore! hahaha He has one brother that is still vegetarian and he is so skinny and looks almost sickly and weak. Then his other brother eats a paleo diet for his health. He has ulcerative colitis and cannot eat gluten, dairy or sugar. So he is on a strict meat, veggies, and fruit diet.
We don't have meat with every meal. We eat lots of veggies with every meal and we love to try out vegetarian dishes but we do like to have meat a few times a week. We just try to keep it in moderation.
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Location: Never in one place long | Just Bring It - 2014-02-25 6:00 PM
I agree that many over indulge in meat. Half of your meal should be fruit and/or veggies and only a quarter meat. Veggies should be the main portion of the dish instead of the side which is what we have turned them into. But I do know very unhealthy vegetarians that eat lots of pasta and soy products. I am not an advocate for a lot of soy and I cannot stand tofu! My husband came from a vegetarian family and was raised vegetarian. He didn't start eating meat until he met me. He now loves a nice medium-rare steak...lol. He was pretty small when I met him. He was never meant to be a big guy but he has put on quite a bit of weight (in a good way) since I have been the one feeding him. hahaha! His mom would make comments that he is putting weight on and getting fat. I would get so angry with her because I thought he was looking amazing and fit but she thought he was putting on too much weight. To me he finally looked healthy and fed! He was turning into a man and not a little boy anymore! hahaha He has one brother that is still vegetarian and he is so skinny and looks almost sickly and weak. Then his other brother eats a paleo diet for his health. He has ulcerative colitis and cannot eat gluten, dairy or sugar. So he is on a strict meat, veggies, and fruit diet.
We don't have meat with every meal. We eat lots of veggies with every meal and we love to try out vegetarian dishes but we do like to have meat a few times a week. We just try to keep it in moderation.
I think it's all how you do it, I don't eat hardly any soy or pastas but LOTS of veggies and fruits and whole grains. I know many vegetarians who look perfectly fit and not sickly at all. You have to do it right like was said before this post. AND there are LOTS of very unhealthy foods that aren't meat so just because you eat vegetarian doesn't mean you'll be healthy. :) Most people I've talked to that made the switch feel and look great. | |
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| I've been watching what I eat lately with the exercise program I've adopted.
I believe a healthy diet does involve meat as a protein/amino acid source - its really tough to keep it balanced as a vegetarian. My sister is vegetarian, and healthy, but she has to work at it to get everything she needs, and supplement on top of it.
That being said, meat makes up a pretty small portion of my diet. Actually on a typical day only 1 meal contains meat for sure, that's dinner. Lunch is usually a crap shoot - if I cooked an extra steak the night before, I have meat. If not, I usually toss some beans on my salad.
In our house 75%+ of the meat we consume if venison of some sort. The steaks are for the most part smaller than the size of my hand, so when I say I have a steak, I'm not referring to a behemoth porterhouse.
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| Will never happen in my house as long as hubby and I have anything to say about it!!
First of all, we humans have the teeth of OMNIVORES not those of strictly herbivores or omnivores. Secondly, everyone metabolizes their food differently. I was told y my naturopath that I need animal protein, that I don't do well on plant protein and my blood sugar levels agree with him. I do carry a few extra pounds (more due my sweet tooth than my meat intake for sure) and hubby is one of those skinny guys who can eat whatever he wants and never gain a pound. But I will put my health "numbers" (except weight lol) up against anybody's.
That being said I would never judge anyone else's dietary choices, ESPECIALLY if it makes them feel better.
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Location: Colorado | bowersk - 2014-02-25 4:07 PM I catch heck for it daily, (especially being the daughter of an OK beef cattle rancher) but I am vegan. No, not the PETA, rodeo protesting, chain-myself-to-the-testing-facility vegan. I like to call myself a dietary vegan. I made the switch for my health. And yes, I have to make sure that I am getting enough calcium, and contrary to popular belief, there are many other options besides meat to get your protein that are delicious and good for you. I shop better than I used to, had to get more creative with my cooking, have lost 20 lbs (no other changes, like increased exercise), and have WAY more energy than I used to. If it is well-planned, a vegetarian/vegan diet can be very beneficial. In contrast, if it is NOT well thought out, it can be just as bad for you as eating a ton of red meat (remember, cheetos and oreos are vegetarian ).
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Location: Alberta | Everyone has to find what works for their body, and 99% of the time we don't listen to it...
When it comes to what to eat or not, it all depends on what set of media your read that will tell you their way is the best.....sure for some but not all.
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I catch heck for it daily, (especially being the daughter of an OK beef cattle rancher) but I am vegan. No, not the PETA, rodeo protesting, chain-myself-to-the-testing-facility vegan. I like to call myself a dietary vegan. I made the switch for my health. And yes, I have to make sure that I am getting enough calcium, and contrary to popular belief, there are many other options besides meat to get your protein that are delicious and good for you. I shop better than I used to, had to get more creative with my cooking, have lost 20 lbs (no other changes, like increased exercise), and have WAY more energy than I used to. If it is well-planned, a vegetarian/vegan diet can be very beneficial. In contrast, if it is NOT well thought out, it can be just as bad for you as eating a ton of red meat (remember, cheetos and oreos are vegetarian ).
 When you made the change, did you cut back on calories, sugar, processed foods, etc & just generally eat healthier? If we eat healthier and cut calories, we usually lose weight whether vegetarian, vegan, or neither. I need to cut back on sugar and sodapop for sure....and a few calories. LOL | |
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