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| ive never had a horse not want to go into arena.. I know that sounds funny, been around for a long time and never had a refusal unless there was something wrong/ but this is a young mare, I trained only been on barrels a year. have not pushed her at all until recently. ran at katy, she was calm, then at Caldwell she sort of reared up, not very high, and did not want to go into alleyway, and did not want to stand still before my turn, wanted to go to trailer is what she wanted to do. I ran at Caldwell, then towrdsa the end I wanted to walk her back in alleyway and warm up arena and she would not go there. a friend told me to pull her head to my knee and whip her butt, so I did, so then she went to warm up pen, and went in and out of alleyway, . the next day I exhibitioned her 10 times, walk and trot only and sat on her at a jackpot for hours..then this weekend I went to whartyon, she was laid back, not tense at all, then after the big drag its my turn, I tightened her up, put on rubber bands, head towards the alleyway and she starts to pop up in front wanting to go back to trailer and not in alleyway. I did not spank her then because a friend said do you want help and walked in front of her with a horse and she went right in. the run was way to ratey at the barrels and fast... I would call it a run scared , very out of character for her. she has only been run 30 times, and I do all slow work... oh and yes I am going to vet today at 1.. but I don't see anything wrong with her . thank you for your input. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Most young horses need 2 steps back for every step forward. If she gets a clean bill of health from the vet, I would say back off for a few runs and get her confidence back. Then step it up again. |
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| thank you, that sounds good except I already entered aqha show and the derby at diamonds and dirt. that is why I am freaking out the way she is acting... |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | myvwranch - 2014-03-03 8:03 AM
thank you, that sounds good except I already entered aqha show and the derby at diamonds and dirt. that is why I am freaking out the way she is acting...
Well, you can run her, and risk worsening your problem or you can put your horse's needs ahead of your own. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | Possibly ulcers starting to bother her if she's starting to anticipate running too much. |
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Location: southeast Texas | I would give her something to sooth her tummy issues.. |
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Location: Keeping up with the numbers! | I would try giving her pepto at a jackpot and see if that makes a difference...if it does, you may think along the lines of an ulcer as the others have stated. Sorry, I did not see you were already going to the vet.
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| Could be lameness issues, tummy issues, or mental issues. The horse may have been pushed hard too fast and is now blown up.
To me 10 exhibition runs in one day is too much |
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| I walked the 10 exhibitions and over a 3 hr period just sitting on her and walking around in between... thanks for all your suggestions, I never thought of ulcers. she was calm calm until one minute before I ran....I am confused. we will see what vet says today at one. thanks again
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Location: Tex. Panhandle | I have a 5 yr old that they were trying to futurity before I purchased him. He would almost vabor lock in the alleyway. Poor guy. We have done tons of exhibitions and he tried not entering the alley the other weekend. Honestly, I swatted his butt and he knocked it off. He is to big ( 16.1 and only 4 1/2) to give me any issues at the gate. I have hauled and exhibitioned him enough to know he was throwing an attitude. As long as it is not pain related, don't let her get away with it. Try to slow it back down, but do not be after to get on to her and let her understand it is NOT allowed. |
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| Jmo- get her treated for ulcers and then change your riding habits. Spending that much time on her will worsen the problem. She knows her job at this point. Go warm up 30 before you run, don't go over to the arena until 2-3 before you run, make you're run and be done- then she knows once she works, she's done for the day. Some horses can't handle being camped out on all day so there is no reason for them to do multiple TO or sit in the arena for hours. After you warm up, if she is nervous, then get off and hand walk her until the drag before you run- when you get back on, if she wants to walk circles then let her walk- no reason to fight with her. When you go to run, talk to her as you walk up to the arena. She's going to feel you tense up anticipating her- so the more relaxed you are, the more relaxed she will be. When she balks, be stern and correct her and keep moving forward. I also wouldn't get in the habit of having other horses walk you up to the arena- it's not fixing her behavior and she will grow dependent on having another horse there. If you need assistance then have someone on the ground that can walk along side you keep her moving forward. |
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| no lameness issues.. blood test did show she needs more fat in her diet for muscle soreness. she was on the high normal.....also he suggested I feed alfalfa at the trailer 30 minutes before I run. just in case her tummy gets upset. so im glad nothing is wrong, guess I will spank her butt when she wants to go back to trailer and see what happens. thanks everyone. |
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Location: Qld Australia | My old mare used to try this, she was a complete you know what. I went from having OK runs on her to being runner up 1D for the season in just four months. Her alley issues just would not let her be consistent.
My hubby (bf) at the time really concentrated on horsemanship with me/her and the absolute secret to fixing her was backing her into the alley. I would allow her the chance to go forward, if she jacked up, backwards she went. It was unbelievable the differencec this made. Within a few weeks maybe 4-6 she would go in and make a good run with no issues. Which allowed us to climb the leader board undeniably fast.
This may not work for your horse but if she has a clean bill of health I would try it. Don't pull her constantly though and encourage her to rear. Horsemanship is the key.
Good luck and good luck for your goals.
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| myvwranch - 2014-03-03 9:57 PM
no lameness issues.. blood test did show she needs more fat in her diet for muscle soreness. she was on the high normal.....also he suggested I feed alfalfa at the trailer 30 minutes before I run. just in case her tummy gets upset. so im glad nothing is wrong, guess I will spank her butt when she wants to go back to trailer and see what happens. thanks everyone.
Was her ck high, as if it is then I would be looking at Pssm, as then your horse is tieing up to so,e extent |
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| I would treat for ulcers. Ulcers can effect horses all differently and with hesitating going in sounds like a ulcer problem starting. |
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| ck was 404 normal is 120 to 470
ast was 332 normal is 175 to 340
that is why I said very high normal.
actually all her numbers were high nrmal. I don't know what most of this means. I will try to research today.
whatever TBIL is hers is 2.3 and normal is 0.5 to 2.3 |
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Location: Sperry, OK | myvwranch - 2014-03-04 8:53 AM ck was 404 normal is 120 to 470 ast was 332 normal is 175 to 340 that is why I said very high normal. actually all her numbers were high nrmal. I don't know what most of this means. I will try to research today. whatever TBIL is hers is 2.3 and normal is 0.5 to 2.3 TBIL is probably Total Biliruben. It is a liver value (what makes you yellow when jaundiced). For sure research PSSM (polysaccharide storage myopathy), then talk to your vet about it.
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| When I first started my gelding he was great and then he got gate issues out of the blue. I knew something was wrong, turned out he is a bleeder. I addressed the issue and he has not had a gate issue since. |
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| myvwranch - 2014-03-04 8:53 AM
ck was 404 normal is 120 to 470
ast was 332 normal is 175 to 340
that is why I said very high normal.
actually all her numbers were high nrmal. I don't know what most of this means. I will try to research today.
whatever TBIL is hers is 2.3 and normal is 0.5 to 2.3
How many days did the horse have off before blood was pulled, if he had any time off, I would suggest repeating the bloodwork again, as well as testing for Pssm.
Your horse may have been on the way down from high levels, or it may be normal for him, but I would want further investigation done if this was my horse |
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Location: Phoenix | I would alter your habits but keep the health issues in mind. If you've got a small jackpot you can go to, slow her down to build her confidence. Really praise as she goes in and after you run. Or like someone else said, start by backing her in but turn her around nice and easy. She may not need you on her back that much. |
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