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Location: Kansas | This run is from a couple weeks ago, but I'm still not happy with it. The most frustrating thing is I can't really tell where we wasted 8/10ths of a second. He doesn't get outrun like that unless we have a huge bobble, which we really didn't on this run. So, tell me what we can clean up to find at least some of those tenths.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB8He1yNp6c&list=UU3h0VmyuYbqBRUor4JBQVlA&feature=c4-overview
I will admit that neither of us really like this pen, but he seemed to feel good and he warmed up good that day so I was very disappointed in our time. We have run there 3 times this year with the same stakes - 15.5 on Jan. 12th, 15.7 on the 26th and this was a 15.9.
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Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | Ok I recopied and pasted the link in my first post. |
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| It worked for me if you copy and paste it into a new window.
As for the run it looked good to me, and as for the time...my guys do this a lot, one day at the same arena and same stakes they may run a little faster or slower time compared to the next or the one before, but if you look at everyone else’s time that same day theirs is the same, either faster or slower, putting me right where I usually end up.
A lot has to go into your time besides just what your horse is running, the ground might be a little slower some days or faster others. I think you’re thinking too much into it and I think it looked like a pretty nice run all in all. Some days are just better than others. Good luck :)
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Location: Kansas | Rustynailfl - 2014-03-03 11:09 AM It worked for me if you copy and paste it into a new window. As for the run it looked good to me, and as for the time...my guys do this a lot, one day at the same arena and same stakes they may run a little faster or slower time compared to the next or the one before, but if you look at everyone else’s time that same day theirs is the same, either faster or slower, putting me right where I usually end up. A lot has to go into your time besides just what your horse is running, the ground might be a little slower some days or faster others. I think you’re thinking too much into it and I think it looked like a pretty nice run all in all. Some days are just better than others. Good luck :)
The same horse I think won all 3 jackpots and the winning time was a little faster this last time. My 15.5 was 4th in 1D the first show, then my 15.7 was bottom 1D the second show and the 15.9 (video run) was out of the money in the 2D. I didn't get him to the 1D without nitpicking our runs, and with rodeo season starting this weekend, I want perfection and if I have to tune on him/me some to get there, that can be arranged. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I honestly think it's really hard to tell. The video is a bit blurry and he's a nice horse, so I think to see something we would have to know more about him and you and his running style. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Comparing some of your other runs on him to me he looked like he didn't fire at all leaving the first, well and it started on the backside of the first, kind of lost momentum there which seemed to having you leave the 1st with no fire power, the remainder of the video gets a little far away to really see anything. |
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| rodeowithjoker - 2014-03-03 12:12 PM
Rustynailfl - 2014-03-03 11:09 AM It worked for me if you copy and paste it into a new window. As for the run it looked good to me, and as for the time...my guys do this a lot, one day at the same arena and same stakes they may run a little faster or slower time compared to the next or the one before, but if you look at everyone else’s time that same day theirs is the same, either faster or slower, putting me right where I usually end up. A lot has to go into your time besides just what your horse is running, the ground might be a little slower some days or faster others. I think you’re thinking too much into it and I think it looked like a pretty nice run all in all. Some days are just better than others. Good luck :)
The same horse I think won all 3 jackpots and the winning time was a little faster this last time. My 15.5 was 4th in 1D the first show, then my 15.7 was bottom 1D the second show and the 15.9 (video run) was out of the money in the 2D. I didn't get him to the 1D without nitpicking our runs, and with rodeo season starting this weekend, I want perfection and if I have to tune on him/me some to get there, that can be arranged.
Then if you think something is wrong I would firstly have him vet checked as possibly he is hurting somewhere. I know my gelding's times gradually slowed, I had him chiro'ed and hocks injected and he has gotten back to his normal running times/placing. Not saying that is a fix for your particular horse but possibly something is bothering him. Or possibly you are riding him just a little differently. I notice myself that if I don’t ride my guys perfect they will have slower times compared to when I do. To me, a ‘best run’ consist of the horse performing perfectly and also myself riding perfectly. A video of your best run in this same arena would probably help some others to comment. |
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Location: Kansas | Here's our Jan. 12th run, which I thought was not as smooth as the last one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tVuL6cgi9U&feature=c4-overview&list=UU3h0VmyuYbqBRUor4JBQVlA
(I agree about the video quality - I couldn't find my camera and Matt doesn't like to zoom in super far for some reason. I am lucky to get him to tape me at all, so I don't want him to know that he didn't do a great job. Apparently men are incapable of holding a barrel horse and taping a run, yet I taped the very next person after Chance's run while holding him. LOL) |
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| Video is a little hard to see plus I am on my phone. It appears as though you had to take hold of him a little leaving the first and his head came up, looked like he got deep on backside of second and you had to get him again and his head came up a little more. Then running home, was he running straight or did he kind of veer to the left and not really get all way past timer while running hard? All these little things add up. |
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Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | Rustynailfl - 2014-03-03 11:20 AM rodeowithjoker - 2014-03-03 12:12 PM Rustynailfl - 2014-03-03 11:09 AM It worked for me if you copy and paste it into a new window. As for the run it looked good to me, and as for the time...my guys do this a lot, one day at the same arena and same stakes they may run a little faster or slower time compared to the next or the one before, but if you look at everyone else’s time that same day theirs is the same, either faster or slower, putting me right where I usually end up. A lot has to go into your time besides just what your horse is running, the ground might be a little slower some days or faster others. I think you’re thinking too much into it and I think it looked like a pretty nice run all in all. Some days are just better than others. Good luck :) The same horse I think won all 3 jackpots and the winning time was a little faster this last time. My 15.5 was 4th in 1D the first show, then my 15.7 was bottom 1D the second show and the 15.9 (video run) was out of the money in the 2D. I didn't get him to the 1D without nitpicking our runs, and with rodeo season starting this weekend, I want perfection and if I have to tune on him/me some to get there, that can be arranged. Then if you think something is wrong I would firstly have him vet checked as possibly he is hurting somewhere. I know my gelding's times gradually slowed, I had him chiro'ed and hocks injected and he has gotten back to his normal running times/placing. Not saying that is a fix for your particular horse but possibly something is bothering him. Or possibly you are riding him just a little differently. I notice myself that if I don’t ride my guys perfect they will have slower times compared to when I do. To me, a ‘best run’ consist of the horse performing perfectly and also myself riding perfectly. A video of your best run in this same arena would probably help some others to comment.
I just posted the link to what is probably our best run in there and it's not great. Not sure why, but we don't clock there like we do some other places. There is a district NBHA there Sunday and I don't think I'm even going to run Chance. However, I am curious to see if there's something that we really do need to clean up before a rodeo elsewhere on Saturday. He seems to be feeling great at home and is riding smooth so I'm thinking his feet feel great for once. He will be getting babied this week with lots of time in his magnets, some extra stretches and such, because I want to get the spring rodeo season off to a great start. My big goal this year is to maximize his runs so I don't have to run him 90 times and can save him for the pens he really likes. |
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Location: lexington KY | The video is a little hard to see, but from what I could tell there was hesitation leaving the first and the second barrel. It looked as if his head came up each time and he wasnt stretching out to run. That will cost you some time. I couldnt tell if that happened on the 3rd. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I agree he doesn't look like he's firing behing or out of his barrels. I've not seen enough of his runs, but I do know he's a nice horse from what I have seen and what has been talked about on here.
I know you know way more about your horse then anyone, and your very knowledgable, so I'm going to toss this out there and dont' be offended, but any chance at all he could be bleeding? I only ask becuase my good horse was winning in the 1D every time, not first, but always in the top four for a paycheck. Then one day, a few weeks after winning 2D checks out of 600 all weekend long, he ran in the 3D. Never symptoms of anything. No blood in his nose. But he refused to drink and took over an hour to catch his breath. Took him to the vet, cut his neck open, drained fluid containing blood from his longs and had it all tested to find out he had bled really bad. He's back to running 1d now. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Actually, I don't think that's a bad run at all. I think you have come a long ways! Keep it up! |
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Location: Midland, MI | I couldn't see the 3rd barrel at all but what I did see is he didn't really fire going to the first, coming out of the first you had to pull him over a little bit one or two strides out of your turn, this cost you a tenth or more. Also, coming out of your second you held onto his face and he couldn't take right off, he bobbled for a couple other tenths. |
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| rodeowithjoker - 2014-03-03 12:25 PM
Rustynailfl - 2014-03-03 11:20 AM rodeowithjoker - 2014-03-03 12:12 PM Rustynailfl - 2014-03-03 11:09 AM It worked for me if you copy and paste it into a new window. As for the run it looked good to me, and as for the time...my guys do this a lot, one day at the same arena and same stakes they may run a little faster or slower time compared to the next or the one before, but if you look at everyone else’s time that same day theirs is the same, either faster or slower, putting me right where I usually end up. A lot has to go into your time besides just what your horse is running, the ground might be a little slower some days or faster others. I think you’re thinking too much into it and I think it looked like a pretty nice run all in all. Some days are just better than others. Good luck :) The same horse I think won all 3 jackpots and the winning time was a little faster this last time. My 15.5 was 4th in 1D the first show, then my 15.7 was bottom 1D the second show and the 15.9 (video run) was out of the money in the 2D. I didn't get him to the 1D without nitpicking our runs, and with rodeo season starting this weekend, I want perfection and if I have to tune on him/me some to get there, that can be arranged. Then if you think something is wrong I would firstly have him vet checked as possibly he is hurting somewhere. I know my gelding's times gradually slowed, I had him chiro'ed and hocks injected and he has gotten back to his normal running times/placing. Not saying that is a fix for your particular horse but possibly something is bothering him. Or possibly you are riding him just a little differently. I notice myself that if I don’t ride my guys perfect they will have slower times compared to when I do. To me, a ‘best run’ consist of the horse performing perfectly and also myself riding perfectly. A video of your best run in this same arena would probably help some others to comment.
I agree with giving him rest, he may just be a little sore. & as for the pen, we have a pen down here when my gelding will run 1D in, he just loves it..and so do I. The rest he will mostly run top of the 2D. Possibly your guy just isn’t a big fan of that pen, and as you said you are also not a fan of it so he probably feels that through you too. Just some thoughts. Good luck to you and him, hope you exceed your goal!
ETA: that I also saw as others said above the movement between first and second, and also the holdup at second. As for the firing, to me compared to your other video I think he fired about the same, but that’s just me.
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Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | missroselee - 2014-03-03 11:28 AM I agree he doesn't look like he's firing behing or out of his barrels. I've not seen enough of his runs, but I do know he's a nice horse from what I have seen and what has been talked about on here.
I know you know way more about your horse then anyone, and your very knowledgable, so I'm going to toss this out there and dont' be offended, but any chance at all he could be bleeding? I only ask becuase my good horse was winning in the 1D every time, not first, but always in the top four for a paycheck. Then one day, a few weeks after winning 2D checks out of 600 all weekend long, he ran in the 3D. Never symptoms of anything. No blood in his nose. But he refused to drink and took over an hour to catch his breath. Took him to the vet, cut his neck open, drained fluid containing blood from his longs and had it all tested to find out he had bled really bad. He's back to running 1d now.
Not offended at all. He has bled a couple times in the past (Oct 2011 & July 2012) but my vet says he's not a true bleeder and that both times were caused by environmental stuff. I've since stopped giving him hay or grain in the trailer and I avoid nasty ammonia smelling barns like the plague since those were the two things we could point to as causes. Haven't had any problems since then.
After the run I'm not happy with, he cooled out quickly, drank a whole bucket of water and just basically seemed to feel really good. This does remind me that I need to order Flair strips since I'm out and will be wanting to use them on him and Joker this weekend. |
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