|
|
  Damn Yankee
Posts: 12390
   
Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Non member fee. There was a time when it was across the board required that you pay a non member fee at NBHA shows if you were not a member. However, they stopped requiring this a while back. I cannot remember the last time one of our shows in SC/GA/FL required the non member fee. We had plenty of non members ride the NBHA shows for that reason.
Now the fee is still there if directors choose to use it, but not required to. However, someone is saying that directors are getting in trouble if they choose not to charge the non member fee. Does anyone have any input? I'd like to ask here before I bother NBHA with the same question. |
|
| |
|
I AM being nice
Posts: 4396
Location: MD | I honestly don't know about anybody getting in trouble for not charging. I do think however that the NM fee should be charged. A friend of mine who mainly rodeos hauled with me to FL and I know that she was charged. I figure if you get charged a NM fee to enter a rodeo as a local, there's no difference. |
|
| |
|
 IMA No Hair Style Gal
Posts: 2594
| I just put on my first NBHA horse show this weekend.
Turn out was great! I was not planning on charging the $10 fee (even though I said I was on the showbill), but was informed by the state directors wife (who helped me with the entry booth) that I HAD to charge it or I could get turned into headquarters. She said she wouldn't turn me in, but other people could if I did not enforce that rule.
So-I am charging it and enforcing it. |
|
| |
|
 Accident Prone
Posts: 22277
Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | We've had fundraiser shows that counted for points where it was waived. |
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 591
| It is up to the director's to enforce the non member fee, but the rule also says they can waive it. I wasn't aware that any portion of this fee went to Nationals so I am unsure as to why the director's would be getting in trouble as they are only hurting themselves and their district by not collecting the extra money. |
|
| |
|
Damn Yankee
Posts: 12390
Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Well then it sounds like it will be a question for NBHA! I was under the impression it was up to the individual directors whether or not to charge it, and I know there have been tons of NBHA shows where it was not charged. I know it's not listed in the rule book anywhere, but I know there's a set of rules for directors/shows/etc that aren't in the book. |
|
| |
|
Damn Yankee
Posts: 12390
Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | 3 To Go - 2014-03-03 3:34 PM It is up to the director's to enforce the non member fee, but the rule also says they can waive it. I wasn't aware that any portion of this fee went to Nationals so I am unsure as to why the director's would be getting in trouble as they are only hurting themselves and their district by not collecting the extra money.
I was under the impression it was changed to allow directors to choose not to charge it because of poor attendance. They started allowing them to not charge the non member fee as a way to get more people to attend. Look at Georgia for instance. Yes it is the home of NBHA, but there are several other associations in that area, and in FL, that are just as nice to run that you have many people who choose not to join NBHA, but still run the local shows.
I'm just curious and trying to help our local director figure out for sure what the rule is. |
|
| |
|
 A Lady with Fight
Posts: 2701
Location: NC | I honestly had never seen it charged before, on a show bill or at a show, until this year. The multiple district sanctioned show in Williamston is charging a non-member fee this year and I don't remember ever seeing that before.
I think they should charge a fee. Every other association we run with charges a permit fee. Why not NBHA? |
|
| |
|
 Firecracker Dog Lover
Posts: 3175
| If I'd had to charge a non-member fee when I was producing races as a district director I wouldn't have gotten a good enough turnout to make the race worth while. I figure the office fee covers the office portion and I didn't want any more fees than required. |
|
| |
|
Damn Yankee
Posts: 12390
Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | brlraceaddict - 2014-03-03 3:42 PM If I'd had to charge a non-member fee when I was producing races as a district director I wouldn't have gotten a good enough turnout to make the race worth while. I figure the office fee covers the office portion and I didn't want any more fees than required.
That's why they stopped charging the non member fee, to get more entires at the local shows. |
|
| |
|
 Leggs
Posts: 4680
Location: lexington KY | I have been to a few NBHA shows that never charged me. I appreciated it, since I dont plan to become a member. They wanted the entries so it worked out. |
|
| |
|
 My Eating is Horrible
Posts: 1719
Location: GA | My understanding is that the non-member fee is being enforced again per Ga State director. We have been making sure it is being paid for our district shows - we have a very small amount of people that are non-members.
Edited by Lucky_H 2014-03-03 2:55 PM
|
|
| |
|
 Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | hlynn - 2014-03-03 2:41 PM I honestly had never seen it charged before, on a show bill or at a show, until this year. The multiple district sanctioned show in Williamston is charging a non-member fee this year and I don't remember ever seeing that before. I think they should charge a fee. Every other association we run with charges a permit fee. Why not NBHA?
None of the associations around here charge a fee.
The local NBHA has published that this year they won't charge the stupid non-member fee. We are lucky enough to live in an area with TONS of great races with lots of added money, so people get choosy about what they will go to. I know I won't make most of the NBHA stuff, I don't care about their points or awards. I've skipped and gone elsewhere lots of times because I'm not paying a $10 non-member fee for a $25 entry...LOL! I like to know more than 50% of my money is going in the pot. |
|
| |
|
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 695
Location: Missouri | A few years ago if you had your shows at a"club" arena you could not charge those members a non member fee. So whe I held nbha sows all non nbha members were members of that arena! Didn't the non- member fee go to nationals? If it went to the jackpot then I could see charging it?
Can someone answer me this question, what exactly does NBHA offer the districts besides getting to use the NBHA name on the flyers? |
|
| |
|
Damn Yankee
Posts: 12390
Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | another has been - 2014-03-03 4:15 PM A few years ago if you had your shows at a"club" arena you could not charge those members a non member fee. So whe I held nbha sows all non nbha members were members of that arena! Didn't the non- member fee go to nationals? If it went to the jackpot then I could see charging it? Can someone answer me this question, what exactly does NBHA offer the districts besides getting to use the NBHA name on the flyers?
From my understanding, the non member fee is supposed to stay in the district that is putting on the show.
I just spoke to another director who said that they are in fact supposed to enforce it per NBHA rules but that hardly anybody does. |
|
| |
|
 Undercover Amish Mafia Member
Posts: 9992
Location: Kansas | It sure is enforced in certain districts here in kansas. Not going to complain because I am a member... |
|
| |
|
IMA No Hair Style Gal
Posts: 2594
| It does NOT go to headquarters. The $10.00 goes towards award money for the district members awards.
There is $1.00 from each entry that must go to the state director for state awards.
I am also enforcing because the past few years there has not been an awards banquet, and the only benefit to being in the club was that you didn't have to pay a fee.
Talk about a horrible feeling to pay $62.00 to join and have the only benefit be that you don't have to pay a non member fee....and if that had not been enforced there would really not be any point to join unless you wanted to qualify for World.
Anyways-my district could use the money-and again with what I was told also....I will charge....we have 18 shows for the season already scheduled so becoming a member would be worth it.
PLUS we are even doing a special buckle series.
Hopefully this will clarify for ya!
Edited by magic gunsmoke 2014-03-03 5:01 PM
|
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 591
| It looks like they may have re-worded it because I don't remember it being for only co-sanctioned shows that the fee could be waived. But anyway, here is the rule -
Under Section B of the rules found online:
15. Non-members may compete for prize money at an NBHA sanctioned show only upon payment of a non-member permit fee. A non-member permit fee, in the amount of ten dollars ($10.00) will be collected from each non member seeking to enter each NBHA sanctioned show. The fee collected will permit non-members to enter one NBHA show and compete in all classes for which they are qualified. Non-member permit fees collected will be deposited in the district account for year end awards. District Directors may waive the non-member permit fee for members of other approved clubs and associations only during a co-sanctioned event with the non-member's club or association. |
|
| |
|
| 3 To Go - 2014-03-03 7:18 PM It looks like they may have re-worded it because I don't remember it being for only co-sanctioned shows that the fee could be waived. But anyway, here is the rule -
Under Section B of the rules found online:
15. Non-members may compete for prize money at an NBHA sanctioned show only upon payment of a non-member permit fee. A non-member permit fee, in the amount of ten dollars ($10.00) will be collected from each non member seeking to enter each NBHA sanctioned show. The fee collected will permit non-members to enter one NBHA show and compete in all classes for which they are qualified. Non-member permit fees collected will be deposited in the district account for year end awards. District Directors may waive the non-member permit fee for members of other approved clubs and associations only during a co-sanctioned event with the non-member's club or association.
In other words, if ABC Saddle Club co-sanctions and NBHA show their members do not have to pay the NBHA non-member fee. Waiving would only be done for members of the other club, if the NBHA director chooses to allow that. Anyone else would have to pay the non-member fee. That makes perfect sense to me. Past that, I think it's only fair that non-members be required to pay the fee, that's why it's called a membership - you could certain privileges for the price of membership, in this case it would be running an NBHA show, other should have to anty up! It gives them incentive to become a member. |
|
| |
|
Elite Veteran
Posts: 695
Location: Missouri | Thank's for the info.
Edited by another has been 2014-03-03 7:48 PM
|
|
| |
Folks on-line