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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Spin off from the other thread that got zapped. I was interested to see the direction the other thread was going and wondering everyone's opinion on the format of the American. I, for one, enjoyed seeing all of that talent in one venue. Should rodeo stick to tradition with barrels, and other events, being only for one gender? Who would like to see events open to both genders? |
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| Question. Since the PRCA is open to all presently I assume that you are asking should the WPRA open up their membership to all. PRCA does not offer barrel racing WPRA runs them in conjunction with PRCA. It really is up to the Rodeo promoter to choose which association they go with and who's rules they use. RFD American did not use PRCA or WPRA rules. So in one since rodeos are open to all presently under some associations but not under the WPRA. |
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Location: MD | I went on record as saying many years ago that if they opened rodeo barrel racing to men, I would be there cheering the guys on, just like I do the girls. I would not be running up the alley though. That having been said, local, open jackpot rodeos, I have been known to run in, but as much as the NFR would be cool, even if I could make the run at it, I've just been raised with a different view of rodeo. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Until I read it in the other thread, I was under the impression that the Professional Rodeo COWBOY's Association was a men's association. Having the new information (which is why i love these discussions) I was careful to word my post accordingly. Sorry it wasn't clear. But, no. I was interested in seeing who prefers the traditional rodeo format and who liked seeing the change (basically). And, of course, interested in seeing the discussions that come out of it. |
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Location: NC | jbhoot - 2014-03-03 11:41 PM
Question. Since the PRCA is open to all presently I assume that you are asking should the WPRA open up their membership to all. PRCA does not offer barrel racing WPRA runs them in conjunction with PRCA. It really is up to the Rodeo promoter to choose which association they go with and who's rules they use. RFD American did not use PRCA or WPRA rules. So in one since rodeos are open to all presently under some associations but not under the WPRA.
Ok. So where is it stated that the PRCA is open to women also?
I had no idea the allowed women into the PRCA. That's why the WPRA was started, wasn't it? To allow girls to rodeo in any event they want?
I mean, it's called the Pro Rodeo CowBOYS Assn. So I figured since they refer to all card holders as "he, him, his or cowboy(s)" that it was only open to men. Did they amend the rules and I missed it?
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Location: Texas | I think it should be open for both, but at the same time I think women should be able to compete in any other event also.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I'm older so I would like to see it staying traditional. There is just so much changes that is going on with the U.S and I would hate to see this happen to our Rodeos, needs to stay the same. There is enough of Barrel races that are huge, with awesome pay outs they we women love sharing with the men no problems there  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think the toothpaste is out of the tube, as far as the American is concerned. They won't allow men, and then turn around and ban them. This will make the discussion more common and the debate will become more serious. Most women who are serious competitors won't say that men are better or have some advantage over women.
If anything, women hold an advantage, generally speaking, because they usually weigh less.
There was a time when Blacks were allowed to only play in amateur and negro leagues. On the surface, the obvious implied reason was because they were Black, but within inner circles, another huge reason was because they posed a threat to whites in terms of competitive edge. In on sense this is apples and oranges, but there's still a pretty good analogy.
If woman happens to be an exceptional team roper, should she be banned from competing at the highest level because of her gender?
You ladies have to decide which way you want it.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I don't think everybody is going to get together and decide they all want it one way... Ain't gonna happen. |
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| The PRCA should just ditch the WPRA and include barrel racing as part of the PRCA and include men. Then the men would be able to compete. Why do you think they won't do that? They were at odds one year with the WPRA and created a separate association for barrel racing and still didn't include men when they had the chance to make their own rules. They are a male dominated association. So why don't they make sure men are competing in barrel racing at their rodeos? As far as other rodeo associations, why aren't the men of those associations fighting for men to compete in the barrel racing at rodeos? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This "Poll" (taken from 99% women) gives me an idea for a new a Chick-Fil-A commercial. Ask a herd of Holstein cows which they prefer, beef burgers or chicken sandwiches? |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-03 11:52 PM
This "Poll" (taken from 99% women) gives me an idea for a new a Chick-Fil-A commercial. Ask a herd of Holstein cows which they prefer, beef burgers or chicken sandwiches?
Well, it was meant to be a poll from barrel racers. Heck, you're a guy and you're on here! Anyway, the herd seemed to be in favor of the guys competing from what I was seeing in the other thread.
But, I am truly interested in seeing honest opinions on this. I don't want anyone to avoid commenting for fear of being called a heifer. Please let's not let the thread get all nasty.
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| hlynn - 2014-03-03 11:08 PM
jbhoot - 2014-03-03 11:41 PM
Question. Since the PRCA is open to all presently I assume that you are asking should the WPRA open up their membership to all. PRCA does not offer barrel racing WPRA runs them in conjunction with PRCA. It really is up to the Rodeo promoter to choose which association they go with and who's rules they use. RFD American did not use PRCA or WPRA rules. So in one since rodeos are open to all presently under some associations but not under the WPRA.
Ok. So where is it stated that the PRCA is open to women also?
I had no idea the allowed women into the PRCA. That's why the WPRA was started, wasn't it? To allow girls to rodeo in any event they want?
I mean, it's called the Pro Rodeo CowBOYS Assn. So I figured since they refer to all card holders as "he, him, his or cowboy (s )" that it was only open to men. Did they amend the rules and I missed it?
Under the bylaws B1.O.1 No discrimination. And under B1.O.3. Gender. The way I read them it is open to any one that is 18 years old and has a S.S. card. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | jbhoot - 2014-03-04 12:08 AM
hlynn - 2014-03-03 11:08 PM
jbhoot - 2014-03-03 11:41 PM
Question. Since the PRCA is open to all presently I assume that you are asking should the WPRA open up their membership to all. PRCA does not offer barrel racing WPRA runs them in conjunction with PRCA. It really is up to the Rodeo promoter to choose which association they go with and who's rules they use. RFD American did not use PRCA or WPRA rules. So in one since rodeos are open to all presently under some associations but not under the WPRA.
Ok. So where is it stated that the PRCA is open to women also?
I had no idea the allowed women into the PRCA. That's why the WPRA was started, wasn't it? To allow girls to rodeo in any event they want?
I mean, it's called the Pro Rodeo CowBOYS Assn. So I figured since they refer to all card holders as "he, him, his or cowboy (s )" that it was only open to men. Did they amend the rules and I missed it?
Under the bylaws B1.O.1 No discrimination. And under B1.O.3. Gender. The way I read them it is open to any one that is 18 years old and has a S.S. card.
Thanks for the info, jbhoot... I wonder why we don't see more women in the other events. Is it just tradition, or do the women who try get some hostility for it? Would love to hear from some women who have tried it. I also wonder why PRCA hasn't included barrel racing since the other events are open? |
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A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | Everyone should be allowed to compete equally. Women in roping and rough stock. Men in barrels. I would love to see the kind of woman to qualify in steer wrestling. If the men are any indication, those will be some stout ladies for sure. I would love to see an even playing field across the board.
Guys have more strength so they are favored in rough stock and steer wrestling. Ladies are more petite so they are favored in barrels. And weight plays a HUGE factor in speed. Learned this when the 3/4D mare we sold is now winning the 1D with a youth rider. And upper body strength is needed for the rough stock. The ladies will have to play by the men's rules. No two hands in bareback or bulls. No holding the pommel in saddle bronc. Everyone plays the same game. |
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Location: western Nebraska | The barrel racing qualifiers were open to anyone with a $500 bill in their pocket. I would like to see how many men entered and how many kids under 18. I know several woman that went to several of them trying to get qualified and several men that did.
So out of the 10 that got to run at the American there was one man that made it that far and no kids under 18.
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A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | Nita - 2014-03-04 1:13 AM
jbhoot - 2014-03-04 12:08 AM
hlynn - 2014-03-03 11:08 PM
jbhoot - 2014-03-03 11:41 PM
Question. Since the PRCA is open to all presently I assume that you are asking should the WPRA open up their membership to all. PRCA does not offer barrel racing WPRA runs them in conjunction with PRCA. It really is up to the Rodeo promoter to choose which association they go with and who's rules they use. RFD American did not use PRCA or WPRA rules. So in one since rodeos are open to all presently under some associations but not under the WPRA.
Ok. So where is it stated that the PRCA is open to women also?
I had no idea the allowed women into the PRCA. That's why the WPRA was started, wasn't it? To allow girls to rodeo in any event they want?
I mean, it's called the Pro Rodeo CowBOYS Assn. So I figured since they refer to all card holders as "he, him, his or cowboy (s )" that it was only open to men. Did they amend the rules and I missed it?
Under the bylaws B1.O.1 No discrimination. And under B1.O.3. Gender. The way I read them it is open to any one that is 18 years old and has a S.S. card.
Thanks for the info, jbhoot... I wonder why we don't see more women in the other events. Is it just tradition, or do the women who try get some hostility for it? Would love to hear from some women who have tried it. I also wonder why PRCA hasn't included barrel racing since the other events are open?
I don't think it has anything to do with hostility. It's just a very small amount of women even do these events. And even fewer can haul the miles down the road needed to be in the big leagues. Just like 80% of the barrel racers in the world are not on the road to the NFR, most rough stock and roping ladies aren't either.
Its a numbers game. There just aren't many out there compared to the men out there competing. That's all.
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| I honestly do not understand the big deal about letting men run barrels on the larger scale rodeos. Yes traditionally barrel racing has been a women's sport, but traditionally team roping is dominated by men yet you do not see people speaking out against women roping(although we haven't seen one at the NFR yet I have seen women competing at the professional level). Plus I think I remember reading that the American was hoping to be a rodeo different than any other and they accomplished that on many levels. Personally I think it will help the stereotype that I hear all too often "only women are allowed to run barrels." IMHO if you can ride you can ride...but thats just my two cents |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I don't understand why it's a big deal, either. I have heard the argument in the past (can't remember where) that male barrel racers aren't allowed to compete in the Super Bowl of their sport. It affects them in terms of sponsors, name recognition, income, etc. Heck, a few weeks ago I'd never heard of Clint Sherlin. I'd certainly want to sign up if I saw a clinic of his today. Or, if I saw a horse trained by him, or one he had for sale, I think it would increase its value. As far as professional rodeo is concerned, I think it should be open to all. But, from looking at the poll results so far, looks like there is a silent majority that would like to see it stay traditional. |
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| I completely agree with you on that point as well! It seems to be there are only a few male names that are well known on a national basis(eg. Ed Wright and Lance Graves) yet a good bunch of very talented horsemen in the sport. Not singling out either of the men I mentioned just the only two names that I could think of on a national level when I know that there are more, like Clint, who could easily become a household name as many of the girls are. |
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