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Who Wants to Trade?
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| How many generations back can a horse have a "name" in their pedigree and still be considered a "name"?For example: If someone asks "What do you like about your Dash Ta Fames?" - What qualifies a horse as a "Dash Ta Fame"? Sire, Grandsire, Great Grandsire, etc? |
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 Canine Carryout Queen
Location: Oklahoma | Id consider grand get ... but when talking I always clarify own son or paternal/maternal grand son, etc. |
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  Roan Wonder
Location: SW MO | Grandsire/ Dam or multi crosses |
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 Jr. Detective
Location: Beggs, OK | Sire or Dam only.
If you are considering grandget of a named horse then you are ignoring the fact that three other horses in that colts pedigree contributed just as much to the colts genetic make-up. |
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Who Wants to Trade?
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| crossspur - 2014-03-10 1:05 PM
Grandsire/ Dam or multi crosses
So in describing this mare: http://allbreedpedigree.com/hinds+feet
Would you describe her as a "Sixarun", a "Streakin Six", or an "Easy Six"?
Or, would it depend on the context so more like "Tell me about your Streakin Six horses....well, I have X"
I know how I describe horses, but I'm realy curious about how other people do, mostly when it comes to advertising. |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | rachellyn80 - 2014-03-10 1:06 PM Sire or Dam only.
If you are considering grandget of a named horse then you are ignoring the fact that three other horses in that colts pedigree contributed just as much to the colts genetic make-up.
I completely agree with you & I wish more people did so, but I believe that more of the general public will still consider grandparents closely knit for a "status". Especially when it comes to selling horses. I see so many ads that say "{Insert famous bloodline} gelding" and come to find out it's a grandson or greatgrandson of the bloodline.
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Jr. Detective
Location: Beggs, OK | Longneck - 2014-03-10 1:53 PM rachellyn80 - 2014-03-10 1:06 PM Sire or Dam only.
If you are considering grandget of a named horse then you are ignoring the fact that three other horses in that colts pedigree contributed just as much to the colts genetic make-up. I completely agree with you & I wish more people did so, but I believe that more of the general public will still consider grandparents closely knit for a "status". Especially when it comes to selling horses. I see so many ads that say "{Insert famous bloodline} gelding" and come to find out it's a grandson or greatgrandson of the bloodline.
I'm a sucker for great mare lines...I tend to look to the bottom side of the papers first. Too many nice mares are bred to lesser studs in hopes of boosting their stats.
Grandson of DTF means nothing to me if there's no bottom to the pedigree....and the sire needs to have proven himself as well.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I always qualify a DTF or FWF, etc... as a son, daughter, granddaughter, grandson and where they fall in the pedigree. There are a whole lot more horses in the pedigree than just one. |
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | Grand Sire/Dam, with multiple crosses taken into consideration.
Look at the Foundation QH breeders. They have multiple crosses to one or two stallions, and calculate the percentage of that horse in their pedigree. Valentine and Hancock breeders for example. When they say 36.4% Hancock, yet Hancock is back 4, 5 or 6 generations, it is still going to influence the gene pool as there are so many lines to that particular stallion.
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Location: North Dakota | I've never had enough money to have a direct baby of a big name  so if I chime into a conversation about a particular horse and I've got a great-grand-baby (for example) I will make sure I say it as such, because there are obviously other contibutors in the pedigree. I think the key is, is you don't have a direct baby, then you need to say so.
Edited by r_beau 2014-03-10 2:46 PM
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | Sire or dam. I have a grandson of FG and I will never refer to him as "a FG"...I do call him a first down French colt, or I specify that I have a grandson of FG. If I say I have a "so and so" they are a son or daughter of the so and so. My Reckless Dash mare is not a dash for cash...she's a reckless dash. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I think it all depends on who you are talking to. Someone that knows bloodlines, be honest. I have a son/daughter, granddaughter/son etc. Someone that doesn't have a clue or isn't into bloodlines, I will shoot a name that they may know. You'd be surprised how many, "OH Ok, yeah I know of him" I get. I may be talking about my Sixarun mare...she's a daughter. But I may have to explain her as the one that goes back to Easy Jet....way WAY back. |
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-10 9:40 PM
I think it all depends on who you are talking to. Someone that knows bloodlines, be honest. I have a son/daughter, granddaughter/son etc. Someone that doesn't have a clue or isn't into bloodlines, I will shoot a name that they may know. You'd be surprised how many, "OH Ok, yeah I know of him" I get. I may be talking about my Sixarun mare...she's a daughter. But I may have to explain her as the one that goes back to Easy Jet....way WAY back.
This. It depends on the interest and knowledge of who I am talking to. If we are being nitty gritty and really talking bloodlines - I specify who is where on the papers. If I'm talking to somebody in just casual conversation I'll say "oh yea, he's got ______, ________, and ________ on his papers - his sire is ________ and his dam is __________. |
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Location: In a happy place | casualdust07 - 2014-03-10 8:29 PM Sire or dam. I have a grandson of FG and I will never refer to him as "a FG"...I do call him a first down French colt, or I specify that I have a grandson of FG. If I say I have a "so and so" they are a son or daughter of the so and so. My Reckless Dash mare is not a dash for cash...she's a reckless dash.
I agree with you completely. |
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Fire Ant Peddler
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| If every line in a pedigree goes back to outstanding horses with strong performers up close, it is called a strong indepth pedigree. Yes quality carries from generation to generation especially when breeders concentrate on having the best bloodlines top and bottom and what combines well with other lines. Here are two examples from two completely different disciplines......
Daughters of Two Eyed Jack were excellent crosses on Shining Spark.
Daughters of Disco Jerry seemed to be the magic cross on Dash For Perks. |
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Location: Texas! | I think it depends on how well known the stallion is as to how people refer to them. If it's an unknown son of DTF you're going to say its a DTF (i specify grandget personally) but a perfect example is my mare is a daughter of Sun Frost Wonder, I refer to her as that bc a lot of people know him and his get have done well, I don't feel the need to say he is a Sun Frost, my SO has a really really nice gelding that is by a son of Sun Frost, we say he's one of our Sun Frost's, again I always specify that he is grandget. |
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| kuhlmann - 2014-03-10 1:45 PM
crossspur - 2014-03-10 1:05 PM
Grandsire/ Dam or multi crosses
So in describing this mare: http://allbreedpedigree.com/hinds+feet
Would you describe her as a "Sixarun", a "Streakin Six", or an "Easy Six"?
Or, would it depend on the context so more like "Tell me about your Streakin Six horses....well, I have X"
I know how I describe horses, but I'm realy curious about how other people do, mostly when it comes to advertising.
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On your mare it is an easy one ...
She is by SIXARUN by Streakin Six on the top side and out of a daughter of Raise Your Glass on the bottom side ........ if you speak in those terms everyone understands it!!
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Now if you are breeding barrel horses for their genetic, conformation, speed and ability characteristics like I do ... then you jam as many top dawgs into a pedigree you can and each time you add another famous bloodline everything on the babies pedigree backs up a generation. .. At the same time you have to add another dose of well known current speedlines in order to be competitive over the next 20 years with this years babies ....
It takes years of effort to set the specialized characteristics you want to show up and be high quality individuals!! ....>>>> With the speed, agility and ability to terrorize barrel pens from local jackpots to pro rodeo events!!
Take a look at winning cutters and reiners and race horses ... In todays horses you don't find a junk pedigree hiding in the first 5-10 generations ...
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 Saint Stacey
| Guess it depends on how notable the sire is. For example, no one refers to an own get of Dash Ta Fame as "my First Down Dash" because DTF himself is notable enough not to mention who he is by.
I got in an arguement once with a person over their "Dash Ta Fame". They insisted it was a Dash Ta Fame, I insisted no, it was a Zippy Zevi Dasher because ZZD is who he was by. The person wanting to know the difference. I said, Well if we are talking yearlings about $18,000.
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| Imo grand get doesn't count ... to describe a horse based on ONE grandparent ??? Hardly realistic. |
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Location: MT | kuhlmann - 2014-03-10 12:45 PM crossspur - 2014-03-10 1:05 PM Grandsire/ Dam or multi crosses So in describing this mare: http://allbreedpedigree.com/hinds+feet
Would you describe her as a "Sixarun", a "Streakin Six", or an "Easy Six"?
Or, would it depend on the context so more like "Tell me about your Streakin Six horses....well, I have X"
I know how I describe horses, but I'm realy curious about how other people do, mostly when it comes to advertising.
I'd call her a Sixarun.
Or if wanting to describe the bottom side as well, I'd call her a Sixarun out of a Raise Your Glass daughter. |
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