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Location: Texas | I have a two year old gelding that I want to get started under saddle. He was born & raised by me and I have spent a LOT of time with him. I have pretty much done all of the basic ground work i.e. he clips, loads, hauls, stands tied, bathes, stands for farrier, fly spray. I've done all of the Clinton Anderson desensitizing with him and he gives his head nicely in both directions. I did 100% of the training on my other two, but I just don't think I have training another one in me. So I am looking for someone to put anywhere from 30-90 days on him for me. I have a couple of local people, within 15 mins from my place, that break colts for a living. One woman is a barrel racer and is known to be a pretty good hand. I see her at barrel races all the time and she is quite successful on horses she has trained. The other is a guy whose wife is a barrel racer, he breaks colts, ropes, bull dogs, etc. and I've heard that he exposes horses to lots of different things. There is also a local cutting, roping and cow horse trainer, but I know nothing about him except what I know from his web site. Looks like a nice facility, well cared for horses, & successful in competition. Again, all of these are within 15-20 mins from my house and I plan on checking on my horse quite often! But just not sure what type of person I want to do the basics. Anyone have any suggestions or experiences on how you choose who you send a colt to? |
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Location: Texas! | Depends on what kind of handle you would like on this colt. I would see how the colts these people have started are working after 90 days and choose who you like the best. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I see youre in Texas ... not sure where but I highly recommend Phil Haugen for putting a foundation on one! |
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Location: Texas | I like my horses EXTREMELY broke. By this I mean... breaking at the poll when bit pressure is applied (no rooting the nose), staying collected when asked, moving off leg easily, drop the butt when you sit & say whoa, etc. You get the picture.
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Location: Texas! | TBone - 2014-03-12 9:11 AM I like my horses EXTREMELY broke. By this I mean... breaking at the poll when bit pressure is applied (no rooting the nose), staying collected when asked, moving off leg easily, drop the butt when you sit & say whoa, etc. You get the picture.
How would I get in touch with Phil Haugen?
I think you would definitely get what you want out of the cutting guy. I would have to see some horses from the other two to determine the type of handle they out on one. But the cutting guys that's what they do! |
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Location: Oklahoma | TBone - 2014-03-12 10:11 AM I like my horses EXTREMELY broke. By this I mean... breaking at the poll when bit pressure is applied (no rooting the nose), staying collected when asked, moving off leg easily, drop the butt when you sit & say whoa, etc. You get the picture.
How would I get in touch with Phil Haugen?
Sending you a PM
http://philhaugenhorsemanship.com/ |
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Location: Oklahoma | IMO you wont get one better broke than Phil! He had my filly riding better in 4 days than most trainers in 30!
Here's a video of my buckskin Perks Firewater Flit gelding after 60 days with Phil - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FhZb_GpCbE
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Location: Idaho | The biggest mistake I made when I sent both my 2009 colts out as 3 yr olds was NOT trusting my GUT and letting both of the trainers MAKE me feel like I knew NOTHING. Not only was I unpleased with both the trainers, but the second trainer really hurt my colt physcially and mentally and I KNEW better. Now, I start my own colts, I have done some outside colt starting and I NEVER make my clients feel like they are dumb, unknowledgeable and ALWAYS stay in contact with them. I'd go watch them ride, I'd go watch them handle colts, I'd go check their facility and see if you can't get on a colt they have started, etc... but trust your gut girl! |
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Location: Idaho | The biggest mistake I made when I sent both my 2009 colts out as 3 yr olds was NOT trusting my GUT and letting both of the trainers MAKE me feel like I knew NOTHING. Not only was I unpleased with both the trainers, but the second trainer really hurt my colt physcially and mentally and I KNEW better. Now, I start my own colts, I have done some outside colt starting and I NEVER make my clients feel like they are dumb, unknowledgeable and ALWAYS stay in contact with them. I'd go watch them ride, I'd go watch them handle colts, I'd go check their facility and see if you can't get on a colt they have started, etc... but trust your gut girl! |
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Location: Texas | WOW, he does look like he does a great job! That is awesome for 60 days. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Another Phil Haugen started colt - I think 120 days?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg5wJWSVFxQ
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Location: Texas | Yes, I HATE the thought of letting someone else train my colts. That is why I ended up training my other two myself. I delivered the one to a guy to start, and I went back two days later and got him cuz I couldn't eat or sleep worrying about him (used the excuse that there was a hurricane in the forecast and I wanted him home and in my barn if it came to TX)! LOL |
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Location: Oklahoma | TBone - 2014-03-12 10:27 AM
WOW, he does look like he does a great job! That is awesome for 60 days.
We are very impressed with him! Answered any calls, texts, emails I had -- always gave updates etc.
Theyre fed great and come back looking as good if not better than they did when they went. They learn patience and respect by spending time tied when they aren't being rode etc.
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Location: Texas | flyhperformancehorse - 2014-03-12 10:26 AM The biggest mistake I made when I sent both my 2009 colts out as 3 yr olds was NOT trusting my GUT and letting both of the trainers MAKE me feel like I knew NOTHING. Not only was I unpleased with both the trainers, but the second trainer really hurt my colt physcially and mentally and I KNEW better. Now, I start my own colts, I have done some outside colt starting and I NEVER make my clients feel like they are dumb, unknowledgeable and ALWAYS stay in contact with them. I'd go watch them ride, I'd go watch them handle colts, I'd go check their facility and see if you can't get on a colt they have started, etc... but trust your gut girl! But any trainer is probably going to be on their best behavior when I am there watching them ride? It is what they are doing when I am not there that worries me! That is why I wanted him close so I could pop in any time unexpected and check on him.
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Location: Denton TX | What does he charge for starting a colt? |
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Location: Dearing, GA | TBone - 2014-03-12 9:43 AM
I have a two year old gelding that I want to get started under saddle. He was born & raised by me and I have spent a LOT of time with him. I have pretty much done all of the basic ground work i.e. he clips, loads, hauls, stands tied, bathes, stands for farrier, fly spray. I've done all of the Clinton Anderson desensitizing with him and he gives his head nicely in both directions. I did 100% of the training on my other two, but I just don't think I have training another one in me. So I am looking for someone to put anywhere from 30-90 days on him for me. I have a couple of local people, within 15 mins from my place, that break colts for a living. One woman is a barrel racer and is known to be a pretty good hand. I see her at barrel races all the time and she is quite successful on horses she has trained. The other is a guy whose wife is a barrel racer, he breaks colts, ropes, bull dogs, etc. and I've heard that he exposes horses to lots of different things. There is also a local cutting, roping and cow horse trainer, but I know nothing about him except what I know from his web site. Looks like a nice facility, well cared for horses, & successful in competition. Again, all of these are within 15-20 mins from my house and I plan on checking on my horse quite often! But just not sure what type of person I want to do the basics. Anyone have any suggestions or experiences on how you choose who you send a colt to?
Between the two you described, at this point I would consider cost & who rode the closest to my style. However I'm leaning towards to guy who would expose ny horse to a little bit of everything. I think that would increase resale value if you ever went that way. Plus if you rodeo versus only barrel races your horse automatically had more exposure. |
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Location: Oklahoma | babybully - 2014-03-12 10:42 AM What does he charge for starting a colt?
$35/day and worth every penny.
As I told another person in a PM - He gets more done in 60 days than most do in 120. |
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Location: Idaho | TBone - 2014-03-12 8:33 AM flyhperformancehorse - 2014-03-12 10:26 AM The biggest mistake I made when I sent both my 2009 colts out as 3 yr olds was NOT trusting my GUT and letting both of the trainers MAKE me feel like I knew NOTHING. Not only was I unpleased with both the trainers, but the second trainer really hurt my colt physcially and mentally and I KNEW better. Now, I start my own colts, I have done some outside colt starting and I NEVER make my clients feel like they are dumb, unknowledgeable and ALWAYS stay in contact with them. I'd go watch them ride, I'd go watch them handle colts, I'd go check their facility and see if you can't get on a colt they have started, etc... but trust your gut girl! But any trainer is probably going to be on their best behavior when I am there watching them ride? It is what they are doing when I am not there that worries me! That is why I wanted him close so I could pop in any time unexpected and check on him.
You're right! I agree. Both my colts got sent 2-3 hours away from me, so it wasn't an easy pop over and see what was happening. |
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| You sound a lot like me when it comes to your horse, and I had a similar experience as Fly H. I sent an older horse to a local guy for some miles and to get him going on cattle. I had had this horse since a weanling and had started him with Clinton Anderson, himself, at his first colt starting clinic in the US. Every time I went to check on the horse he was in the pasture. After a couple weeks he would be pacing the fence in the pasture. The one time I showed up to not find him in the pasture, the trainer had him tied to a solid wall trying to desensitize him to a plastic bag. The horse was ready for war when I walked in. I was furious!!! I would never tie a horse to something solid and try and desensitize him, he has to be able to move his feet.
I had words with the trainer, but he convinced me it was not harming the horse...blah, blah, blah. I didn't listen to my gut.
The horse was never the same when I got him back. He was a confident animal before he went to this guy, and then came back a ball of nerves. Fence walked all the time when I got him back. Additionally, he got kicked in the stifle while with the trainer and the trainer never got him looked at by a vet. He was always a little off on that limb.
So, all that to say, I would just train your horse yourself. Then you know it is done your way and you can sleep good at night. I also don't believe in training aids early in a horses training. If you follow Clinton's colt starting method, he doesn't believe in martingales, draw reins, etc. It doesn't teach a horse true softness, IMO.
I would rather give a horse a good start and then send to someone reputable for advanced training than have someone mess with my clean slate, especially with all that you have put into your horse to this point. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Check out Levi Olson, he is in TX. Trains reining horses and starts all the colts/prospects for Paul Humphrey! Awesome guy with a great set of hands and more patients than any 3 people should have! |
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