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Location: Oregon | I'm think of breeding this mare to A Streak Of Fling, hoping for a buckskin roan. She is a big mare 16 hands solid, and is a finished reiner that grew to big. We are currently trying to rope on her.
If you don't think that she would cross wel with him, please tell me why? Or maybe suggest another that would work well with her conformation.
If you don't think she should be bred, let me know too... I'm just wanting some insight.
I would be breeding for myself but a want a quality horse, even thought I wouldn't intend on selling.
Thank you
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Location: Oregon | No opinons? I understand right now the horse market is flooded and it really isnt a good time to breed, but the prospect horse that I was wanting to buy isnt going to be an option anymore so I'm throwing around the idea of trying to breed for one. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | pedigree wise, she's ok from what i know cow/foundation breeding wise.
Conformationally? i think she's exceptional. She does look like she might have a longer back than she should which most people like to breed short backed horses to ASOF because he is so long backed. So that is something to think about. That is jsut what the pictures show me I could be wrong.
The ASOF/cow crosses have been great so she could potentially throw something nice. and with her A s s dragging ability, that would make a nice barrel foal. |
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| Breeding a short backed horse to a long backed horse does not get a happy medium. Genetics do not work like that.
I would look at as many pictures of horses I like by ASOF and compare their pedigrees. If possible, look at pictures of what they are out of to compare those mares as far as body types go to what you have to see if there is one phenotype that seems to cross on him better than others. From what I've seen... he throws either really pretty, nice horses... or they are really ugly with not a lot inbetween.
Can he produce? Absolutely. But I've always said I would rather buy one of his babies than breed to him because it would be my luck I'd get an ugly one, lol!
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Who Wants to Trade?
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| SKM - 2014-03-12 5:24 PM I would rather buy one of his babies than breed to him because it would be my luck I'd get an ugly one, lol!
My thoughts too!
Of my mares, I have 2 I'd risk it with...but I haven't risked it even though I've thought about it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I like her better then ASOF. Nice mare.
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| She's gorgeous! I love the way she is built and the fact that she has a reining background makes me love her more.
Here's my 2 cents. As someone else mentioned, ya either hit awesome or crap with the ASOF colts. They are either gorgeous or ugly as sin. I'd do some more digging to look at the breeding on those good made gorgeous colts ... looking especially on the dam side. I love running bred horses on the top and cow bred on the bottom for barrels. I don't think you'll go wrong with ASOF but perhaps be aware of what "might could" happen with the genetics :)
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| How bout nice running bred with good mind and a little turn. Son of corona cartel, triple vodka, and a few others. |
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Location: In a happy place | Sorry it took so long for anyone to respond. I'm going to be different and I would certainly consider ASOF. That is if you really like him. Have you considered Stoli? Or was it the roan color that attracted you. I love your mare....nice nice nice. |
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Location: Oregon | Thank you everyone for the replies.
That colt that got me started thinking about a baby again was a "corona cartel" grandson on sire side and an "on a high" great grandson on the dam side.
I know that I can't get something that well bred with my mare but I was hoping to add some race blood to her cowhorse.
I liked the ASOF because all the ones I have seen running have been more butt draggin ratey type horse which is what I seem to do better with.
I also wouldn't mind adding some height either because I have been warned that she might be a fluke since she was supposed to be a reiner and got HUGE.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | ~rodeojunkie~ - 2014-03-12 5:44 PM Thank you everyone for the replies. That colt that got me started thinking about a baby again was a "corona cartel" grandson on sire side and an "on a high" great grandson on the dam side. I know that I can't get something that well bred with my mare but I was hoping to add some race blood to her cowhorse. I liked the ASOF because all the ones I have seen running have been more butt draggin ratey type horse which is what I seem to do better with. I also wouldn't mind adding some height either because I have been warned that she might be a fluke since she was supposed to be a reiner and got HUGE.
I don't think you are going to get much height with him if that is something you want. If you want butt dragging style, I'd go with a Firewater Flit. Your girl is obviously buckskin so unless you like cremellos and such, you may need to find a bay or sorrel one. Which there are plenty of and Hart farms is now standing a gray and a sorrel out of OUTSTANDING dam lines. |
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Location: Oregon | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-12 7:19 PM
~rodeojunkie~ - 2014-03-12 5:44 PM Thank you everyone for the replies. That colt that got me started thinking about a baby again was a "corona cartel" grandson on sire side and an "on a high" great grandson on the dam side. I know that I can't get something that well bred with my mare but I was hoping to add some race blood to her cowhorse. I liked the ASOF because all the ones I have seen running have been more butt draggin ratey type horse which is what I seem to do better with. I also wouldn't mind adding some height either because I have been warned that she might be a fluke since she was supposed to be a reiner and got HUGE.
I don't think you are going to get much height with him if that is something you want. If you want butt dragging style, I'd go with a Firewater Flit. Your girl is obviously buckskin so unless you like cremellos and such, you may need to find a bay or sorrel one. Which there are plenty of and Hart farms is now standing a gray and a sorrel out of OUTSTANDING dam lines.
What is the Grays name?
With her being buckskin it has made me turn away from some of my favorite "hot" studs right now as I don't really want a perlino/ cremello. |
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Location: Oregon | SKM - 2014-03-12 5:24 PM
Breeding a short backed horse to a long backed horse does not get a happen medium. Genetics do not work like that.
I would look at as many pictures of horses I like by ASOF and compare their pedigrees. If possible, look at pictures of what they are out of to compare those mares as far as body types go to what you have to see if there is one phenotype that seems to cross on him better than others. From what I've seen... he throws either really pretty, nice horses... or they are really ugly with not a lot inbetween.
Can he produce? Absolutely. But I've always said I would rather buy one of his babies than breed to him because it would be my luck I'd get an ugly one, lol!
Thank you, there are some things that a really don't like about him, like his back, hip/tail set, but I think my mare could clean that up. I do understand that she is kinda long back although she seems long necked as well. It's hard to find pictures of the dams that produced the horses I like from him. Maybe I should consider a more solid producer. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | ~rodeojunkie~ - 2014-03-12 6:44 PM SKM - 2014-03-12 5:24 PM Breeding a short backed horse to a long backed horse does not get a happen medium. Genetics do not work like that.
I would look at as many pictures of horses I like by ASOF and compare their pedigrees. If possible, look at pictures of what they are out of to compare those mares as far as body types go to what you have to see if there is one phenotype that seems to cross on him better than others. From what I've seen... he throws either really pretty, nice horses... or they are really ugly with not a lot inbetween.
Can he produce? Absolutely. But I've always said I would rather buy one of his babies than breed to him because it would be my luck I'd get an ugly one, lol! Thank you, there are some things that a really don't like about him, like his back, hip/tail set, but I think my mare could clean that up. I do understand that she is kinda long back although she seems long necked as well. It's hard to find pictures of the dams that produced the horses I like from him. Maybe I should consider a more solid producer.
If you really want a roan check out Platinum Bully!
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| ASOF only throws two ways, a perfect replica of him, or ugly. You are from Oregon, if you want run Judge Cash, if you want a rate style Firewater Twist. Both of these horses stand in Oregon, I loved my first FWT so much, I had to go buy another. My Judge Cash was a free runner, but I have also heard that not all are free runners.
If you want the speed CS Flashlight holds some record for fastest sprint not sure the distance. |
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Location: Montana | I'm going to add to what Cheryl said, and since you are in Oregon, I'd look into Best Advice for running bred. He doesn't have as high of a breeding fee as ASOF or Judge Cash (and I'd LOVE to cross my mare on Judge Cash if I could afford it and could keep another horse) but he is an own son of Corona Cartel, and is grand-get of Bully Bullion. AAANNNDDD he's a sorrel so no worry about perlino or cremello.  |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | cheryl makofka - 2014-03-12 7:07 PM ASOF only throws two ways, a perfect replica of him, or ugly. You are from Oregon, if you want run Judge Cash, if you want a rate style Firewater Twist. Both of these horses stand in Oregon, I loved my first FWT so much, I had to go buy another. My Judge Cash was a free runner, but I have also heard that not all are free runners. If you want the speed CS Flashlight holds some record for fastest sprint not sure the distance.
I wouldn't even want the perfect replica of him. He's too long. He has a son that is nice though (if pics aren't Dr'd up) called French Steaktovegas. Very pretty roan and won a TON of money at the futurity/derbys. Hallie Melvin (she is married now so diff last name) has him. He's gorgeous in the pics. The gray FWF stud that Hart has is Firewater Canyon http://www.barrelhorsenews.com/articles/industry-news/3974-chad-hart-acquires-young-stallions-firewater-canyon-and-boxers-n-briefs
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| This thought always comes to my mind when people on BHW are talking about ASOF's longer back, or being smaller....so for once I am just going to get it off my chest. Unless you want a halter horse--pretty is as pretty does. And they win! |
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Location: In a happy place | jenagarwood - 2014-03-12 9:27 PM
This thought always comes to my mind when people on BHW are talking about ASOF's longer back, or being smaller....so for once I am just going to get it off my chest. Unless you want a halter horse--pretty is as pretty does. And they win!
I agree. The reason I am a fan of ASOF is I had a stud that was by Streakin Six too....only mine was out of an own daughter of Genuine Doc. Most all of the ASOF offspring I have seen have a running style just like my stud. Funny thing about my stud though was he was 15.1 hands tall but most of his offspring was 16+ hands. I love ASOF and it has nothing to do with his color. |
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Location: USA | I have had 2 ASOF offspring and I LOVE THEM!
One of them is 16.2 and beautiful! His momma was a buckskin DTF mare, and he is kind of a buckskin/grulla roan. If I could post pictures from my iPad I would, but it says my picture is to big.
The other one is just a yearling out of a cow bred mare so not sure how big he will get but I love his attitude so far! Both are very laid back and easy to get along with.
long back or not, he's a proven producer! |
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