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Location: British Columbia | Just questions out of curiosity... I've noticed a lot of girls buying young studs. They have either great pedigrees but lack the conformation to warrant remaining a stud but that seems to be ignored or are grand babies to significant horses(ie a DTF grandson or DFP). Most of these young girls are not at a professional level never mind the top of the amateur group, and don't own broodmare's or have the facilities to house a stud let alone more than 2 acres. Is it just me or is AB a big culprit for spittin' out sub par studs? I've started going south of the border to look because of this. What is the idea behind all this? Why not just run a gelding or a mare, these studs won't financially benefit them or improve their standings?
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| I wouldn't say Alberta has only sub par stallions. Alberta has many stallions that are proven on both sides of the border.
Blue is Rare, placed in futurities in Canada and US,
Fiesta Royale rodeo money earner, plus futurity and derby
Perfect Possibility, producer
Wild on Corona producer on the track
Root Beer Boots producer
Fire Sixes money earner
Los unleashed money earner and producer
Pleasure a Perkin rodeo money earner
There are so many more I cannot think of right now
What one may call sub par, others may say conformationaly correct. Some people like different builds, as it is not one size fits all.
Also CBHI super stakes is huge and now they have opened it up to all canadian stallions, there will be more to pick from.
Alberta also has a great selection of pedigrees for small square mileage.
We do live in a free country, it is our choice on what we want to do with your horses, if someone wants to breed for pedigree, conformation, color, it is their prerogative, I don't get my nickers in a knot.
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Location: British Columbia | cheryl makofka - 2014-03-23 9:54 AM
I wouldn't say Alberta has only sub par stallions. Alberta has many stallions that are proven on both sides of the border.
Blue is Rare, placed in futurities in Canada and US,
Fiesta Royale rodeo money earner, plus futurity and derby
Perfect Possibility, producer
Wild on Corona producer on the track
Root Beer Boots producer
Fire Sixes money earner
Los unleashed money earner and producer
Pleasure a Perkin rodeo money earner
There are so many more I cannot think of right now
What one may call sub par, others may say conformationaly correct. Some people like different builds, as it is not one size fits all.
Also CBHI super stakes is huge and now they have opened it up to all canadian stallions, there will be more to pick from.
Alberta also has a great selection of pedigrees for small square mileage.
We do live in a free country, it is our choice on what we want to do with your horses, if someone wants to breed for pedigree, conformation, color, it is their prerogative, I don't get my nickers in a knot.
I don't think we have only sub par stallions, but when I went through the CBHI auction I wasn't overly impressed.
I'm looking at horses that I have seen in person. They are owned by younger girls(early twenties) and are not being campaigned or run, they are only saddle broke. They will obviously not be the next Dinero, DFP, DTF, Royal Shake Em, Judge Cash, etc.
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Location: Up and over to the right | What do you mean you are looking? Looking for a stud? Something to buy to run?
Some people own bulldogs, I never would but it doesn't mean they are wrong for owning them. I don't see the exact point that you are making other than you don't agree with stallion ownership w/o thinking of breeding. |
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Location: British Columbia | ChasingCans04 - 2014-03-23 10:11 AM
What do you mean you are looking? Looking for a stud? Something to buy to run?
Some people own bulldogs, I never would but it doesn't mean they are wrong for owning them. I don't see the exact point that you are making other than you don't agree with stallion ownership w/o thinking of breeding.
I'm looking south of the border for foals. Prospects, not studs.
I just want to understand what the point to owning a stud is when it is not for the intent of making it your business. Running it, campaigning it, breeding. Why do these young girls buy them and then waste them or buy them for the pedigree but not conformation?
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| I live in the same vicinity as you and not sure which stallions you are looking at.
I have very strong pedigrees in my mares, and if I choose to breed one, I want a stallion that is a proven producer, or if they are too young I want them to be proven.
I don't look at unproven stallions anymore.
CBHI made the equistats this year for the money paid, with every stallion paid into CBHI there are 3 eligible foals each year to run for that superstakes pot.
Every stallion starts out as unproven, if someone wants the headache of keeping them a stallion all the power to them. If they don't pan out, they can always geld them, if they do win, congrats to them for sticking with it and winning.
Also you listed the "in bloodlines". Look at all the stallions that stand in the states each year, and look at how many you have listed, that is a very small percentage.
You also have to look at the money put behind those stallions, if they weren't from rich families, they may have never become such an important part of barrel and race history. |
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| TMEquine - 2014-03-23 11:22 AM
ChasingCans04 - 2014-03-23 10:11 AM
What do you mean you are looking? Looking for a stud? Something to buy to run?
Some people own bulldogs, I never would but it doesn't mean they are wrong for owning them. I don't see the exact point that you are making other than you don't agree with stallion ownership w/o thinking of breeding.
I'm looking south of the border for foals. Prospects, not studs.
I just want to understand what the point to owning a stud is when it is not for the intent of making it your business. Running it, campaigning it, breeding. Why do these young girls buy them and then waste them or buy them for the pedigree but not conformation?
If you buy south of the border, those horses are not eligible for CBHI. This is the one strong buying incentive.
Each person to their own.
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Location: British Columbia | cheryl makofka - 2014-03-23 10:27 AM
TMEquine - 2014-03-23 11:22 AM
ChasingCans04 - 2014-03-23 10:11 AM
What do you mean you are looking? Looking for a stud? Something to buy to run?
Some people own bulldogs, I never would but it doesn't mean they are wrong for owning them. I don't see the exact point that you are making other than you don't agree with stallion ownership w/o thinking of breeding.
I'm looking south of the border for foals. Prospects, not studs.
I just want to understand what the point to owning a stud is when it is not for the intent of making it your business. Running it, campaigning it, breeding. Why do these young girls buy them and then waste them or buy them for the pedigree but not conformation?
If you buy south of the border, those horses are not eligible for CBHI. This is the one strong buying incentive.
Each person to their own.
Would you breed to say, an own son of Bully Bullion that had no track record, not futuritied and was only saddle broke? This is what I'm trying to understand.
If I went out, paid the money for the stud, the pedigree, everything, I would understand that I would have to invest the money to prove it. |
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| TMEquine - 2014-03-23 11:36 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-03-23 10:27 AM
TMEquine - 2014-03-23 11:22 AM
ChasingCans04 - 2014-03-23 10:11 AM
What do you mean you are looking? Looking for a stud? Something to buy to run?
Some people own bulldogs, I never would but it doesn't mean they are wrong for owning them. I don't see the exact point that you are making other than you don't agree with stallion ownership w/o thinking of breeding.
I'm looking south of the border for foals. Prospects, not studs.
I just want to understand what the point to owning a stud is when it is not for the intent of making it your business. Running it, campaigning it, breeding. Why do these young girls buy them and then waste them or buy them for the pedigree but not conformation?
If you buy south of the border, those horses are not eligible for CBHI. This is the one strong buying incentive.
Each person to their own.
Would you breed to say, an own son of Bully Bullion that had no track record, not futuritied and was only saddle broke? This is what I'm trying to understand.
If I went out, paid the money for the stud, the pedigree, everything, I would understand that I would have to invest the money to prove it.
I am only one person, so it really doesn't matter if I would breed to it or if i buy one. It only matters that the owners are content.
I do know The Red Bull, never futuritied, but is just now producing futurity and rodeo money earners, someone had to take a chance, and it worked out for them.
I don't see why you felt the need to slam Alberta breeders when you yourself don't breed or have accomplishments in barrel racing.
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Location: ND | It doesn't matter to me what other people own. If they choose not to spend the money to train, promote & prove the stallion they won't be breeding many outside mares.
I've got a coming 2 year old colt in my barn that as of now I've decided not to geld. If I choose to keep him a stallion down the road I could care less if anyone else breeds to him as he'll be for my own use. Most here wouldn't give his pedigree a second glance as it's simply a nice mix of older cow/foundation lines with a little bit of run. I've rode a lot of horses by my colts sire & have loved them all, they are nice movers, cowy, athletic & intelligent. That stud passed away last year so there are no more coming from these lines. I like my colt, his pedigree, conformation, mind & trainability so for now he remains a stud (until I likely get crabby about him acting like a boy & geld him!!!). But it's my choice to deal with the extra work that a stallion requires & I honestly have no intentions of promoting him to the public. |
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Location: British Columbia | SaraJean - 2014-03-23 10:48 AM
It doesn't matter to me what other people own. If they choose not to spend the money to train, promote & prove the stallion they won't be breeding many outside mares.
I've got a coming 2 year old colt in my barn that as of now I've decided not to geld. If I choose to keep him a stallion down the road I could care less if anyone else breeds to him as he'll be for my own use. Most here wouldn't give his pedigree a second glance as it's simply a nice mix of older cow/foundation lines with a little bit of run. I've rode a lot of horses by my colts sire & have loved them all, they are nice movers, cowy, athletic & intelligent. That stud passed away last year so there are no more coming from these lines. I like my colt, his pedigree, conformation, mind & trainability so for now he remains a stud (until I likely get crabby about him acting like a boy & geld him!!!). But it's my choice to deal with the extra work that a stallion requires & I honestly have no intentions of promoting him to the public.
Cheryl, I'm not slamming AB breeders. This is where I live, this is what I have noticed. Clearly there are a few that I have alot of respect for and buy horses from.
And Thank you Sara, that's more of the kind of answer I was looking for. I wanted a reason from someone who owns a stallion.  |
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| Everyone has a different opinion on breeding, I will tell you that!
We currently have a three year old stud. Will we breed him? No idea, I can tell you he will be gelded if he doesn't prove himself in the arena.
And by proving himself in the arena he better be a 1D horse.
I know some people around these parts that will breed at the age of two so that when the horse "proves" himself there are already foals on the ground. Personally for us-that is not something we believe in. Our guy minds his manners very well and handles everything in stride. As long as he is behaving and showing potential we are going to wait and see.
He is more my husbands horse-I would much rather prefer to have a gelding or a mare-then I can ride around and don't have to worry about other people so much! |
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Location: sunny california | i am glad the horseworld still has dreamers!
if it weren't for some of these gals that keep colts a stud but don't take that horse to the pro level as far as managing their stallion careers many people would not be able to afford decent genetics.
I can't afford the fashionable bloodlines from proven mare and stud pairs so I just have to hope the genetics come through and I get a decent horse for my limited funds |
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Location: British Columbia | kwanatha - 2014-03-23 12:07 PM
i am glad the horseworld still has dreamers!
if it weren't for some of these gals that keep colts a stud but don't take that horse to the pro level as far as managing their stallion careers many people would not be able to afford decent genetics.
I can't afford the fashionable bloodlines from proven mare and stud pairs so I just have to hope the genetics come through and I get a decent horse for my limited funds
What do you define as affordable? Because there are girls who have sons of big name horses that have proven them and have $1000 stud fees. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cheryl makofka - 2014-03-23 11:48 AM I don't see why you felt the need to slam Alberta breeders when you yourself don't breed or have accomplishments in barrel racing.
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Location: sunny california | TMEquine - 2014-03-23 11:17 AM kwanatha - 2014-03-23 12:07 PM i am glad the horseworld still has dreamers!
if it weren't for some of these gals that keep colts a stud but don't take that horse to the pro level as far as managing their stallion careers many people would not be able to afford decent genetics.
I can't afford the fashionable bloodlines from proven mare and stud pairs so I just have to hope the genetics come through and I get a decent horse for my limited funds What do you define as affordable? Because there are girls who have sons of big name horses that have proven them and have $1000 stud fees.
it is not the stud fee that is unaffordable. it is getting a prospect on the ground and getting them to age two that gets so expensive; at least for me. It is a lot cheaper to get a prospect from unproven studs/mares than to get one from fashionable bloodlines and proven parents. I have no chance bidding on them. |
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Location: British Columbia | kwanatha - 2014-03-23 12:23 PM
TMEquine - 2014-03-23 11:17 AM kwanatha - 2014-03-23 12:07 PM i am glad the horseworld still has dreamers!
if it weren't for some of these gals that keep colts a stud but don't take that horse to the pro level as far as managing their stallion careers many people would not be able to afford decent genetics.
I can't afford the fashionable bloodlines from proven mare and stud pairs so I just have to hope the genetics come through and I get a decent horse for my limited funds What do you define as affordable? Because there are girls who have sons of big name horses that have proven them and have $1000 stud fees.
Ah OK I understand now, that makes sense! |
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Location: British Columbia | NJJ - 2014-03-23 12:18 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-03-23 11:48 AM I don't see why you felt the need to slam Alberta breeders when you yourself don't breed or have accomplishments in barrel racing.
Lol I really get under your skin don't I? We all have to start somewhere don't we? There is one thing I am confident in, I am a great rider and horse person. I will be running again in 2016 with my futurity filly. But happy to see your focus is still on attacking me personally. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | TMEquine - 2014-03-23 1:40 PM NJJ - 2014-03-23 12:18 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-03-23 11:48 AM I don't see why you felt the need to slam Alberta breeders when you yourself don't breed or have accomplishments in barrel racing. Lol I really get under your skin don't I? We all have to start somewhere don't we? There is one thing I am confident in, I am a great rider and horse person. I will be running again in 2016 with my futurity filly. But happy to see your focus is still on attacking me personally.
Hmmmm.........I just agreed with a previous poster....easier than typing out a comment....LOL....but if the shoe fits....don't let it get too tight! |
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Location: British Columbia | NJJ - 2014-03-23 12:59 PM
TMEquine - 2014-03-23 1:40 PM NJJ - 2014-03-23 12:18 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-03-23 11:48 AM I don't see why you felt the need to slam Alberta breeders when you yourself don't breed or have accomplishments in barrel racing. Lol I really get under your skin don't I? We all have to start somewhere don't we? There is one thing I am confident in, I am a great rider and horse person. I will be running again in 2016 with my futurity filly. But happy to see your focus is still on attacking me personally.
You and Cheryl are both BHW bullies. Lol |
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