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| This is interesting. Hobby Lobby is not protesting all forms of birth control- just two that can interfere with inception once the egg is fertilized. Also, a former Clinton admin is quoted in there saying that free contraception is not a “freebie” but an earned benefit- I’m sorry—how did I earn free contraception? By existing? Why did I earn it but men didn’t? We have to pay for other medical prescriptions so why is birth control treated differently?
http://www.npr.org/2014/03/25/293956170/hobby-lobby-contraceptive-case-goes-before-supreme-court
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| What I don't understand is why my employer needs to know about my personal life. They hire from all walks of life. They have to know that not everyone follows their Mormon path. So in an interveiw do they get to ask...So are you on birth control? What is your stance on abortion?
Um, I'm here to stock shelves or run a cash register.
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Location: Sperry, OK | Nateracer - 2014-03-25 11:55 AM What I don't understand is why my employer needs to know about my personal life. They hire from all walks of life. They have to know that not everyone follows their Mormon path. So in an interveiw do they get to ask...So are you on birth control? What is your stance on abortion?
Um, I'm here to stock shelves or run a cash register.
Makes no sense to me.
They are not of the Mormon faith. They attend Council Road Baptist Church in Bethany, Oklahoma. |
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| Nateracer - 2014-03-25 11:55 AM
What I don't understand is why my employer needs to know about my personal life. They hire from all walks of life. They have to know that not everyone follows their Mormon path. So in an interveiw do they get to ask...So are you on birth control? What is your stance on abortion?Â
Um, I'm here to stock shelves or run a cash register. Â
Makes no sense to me. Â
That is not what it's about. Hobby Lobby doesn't care one way or the other what you do for birth control. What they are arguing is that they do not want to pay for any type of birth control that ends the pregnancy after conception. ie. the morning after pill. They feel as to their believes that it is taking a life. There by being against their believes. They are only asking for the same consideration that has been given to others. IMO they may win. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Also just for the record, Mormon's aren't like Catholics who don't believe in BC. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | The largest company among them, Hobby Lobby Stores Inc., and the Green family that owns it, say their "religious beliefs prohibit them from providing health coverage for contraceptive drugs and devices that end human life after conception." Oklahoma City-based Hobby Lobby has more than 15,000 full-time employees in more than 600 crafts stores in 41 states. The Greens are evangelical Christians who also own Mardel, a Christian bookstore chain.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/25/supreme-court-to-take-up-obamacare-contraceptive-mandate-in-landmark-case/ |
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| While I am really all for the government staying out of business, personal business, insurance business etc.....
If it is OK for Hobby Lobby to deny birth control based on their religious beliefs are they going to allow Jehovah's Witness to ban their insurance from covering blood transfusions (even to those who do not believe the way they do)? What about a company owned by Christian Scientists? (they don't believe in any practice of medicine other than prayer).
All that being said, I also feel that those who are employed by such a company would now always have the option of obtaining insurance from the clearing houses Obamacare has so nicely mandated.
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Location: minnesota | I don't know all the politics of this, nor do I care.
Simple fact, insurance is an option a benefit.
If the people who are receiving this benefit don't like what's offered, find a new job with better benefits.
Many Christian based hospitals do not offer birth control coverage of any sort, including tubal ligation and vasectomy on their insurance plans.
There are millions of things insurance won't pay for, things far more serious than contraceptives. It's sad that because this is religious based, it has been made into such a huge deal.
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Location: Midwest | farmer's tan - 2014-03-25 11:50 PM
While I am really all for the government staying out of business, personal business, insurance business etc.....
If it is OK for Hobby Lobby to deny birth control based on their religious beliefs are they going to allow Jehovah's Witness to ban their insurance from covering blood transfusions (even to those who do not believe the way they do )? What about a company owned by Christian Scientists? (they don't believe in any practice of medicine other than prayer ).
All that being said, I also feel that those who are employed by such a company would now always have the option of obtaining insurance from the clearing houses Obamacare has so nicely mandated.
agree
you have to think of other possible ramifications if they win this case.
Honestly, I think they will probably lose based on precedents set mentioned in that article.
My insurance doesn't cover IUDs anyway, not for religious reasons, it is just the way the policy is written... so I'm not sure why this is actually an issue, unless the law was put into effect just this year. Same for the Plan B pills. |
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| That's it in a nut shell....don't go to work for a company that has religious beliefs that keep you from exercising your beliefs. You know, if everybody would stop trying to FORCE what they believe onto others things would be much simpler. There are plenty of people that believe along the lines of Hobby Lobby that can work there and those that believe differently are free to find employment elsewhere. But we always get into these battles of demanding our way...it's ridiculous.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | farmer's tan - 2014-03-26 12:50 AM While I am really all for the government staying out of business, personal business, insurance business etc..... If it is OK for Hobby Lobby to deny birth control based on their religious beliefs are they going to allow Jehovah's Witness to ban their insurance from covering blood transfusions (even to those who do not believe the way they do )? What about a company owned by Christian Scientists? (they don't believe in any practice of medicine other than prayer ). All that being said, I also feel that those who are employed by such a company would now always have the option of obtaining insurance from the clearing houses Obamacare has so nicely mandated.
You are right. But, I don't have the answer. My answer is that I think it is horrible that the government has stuck their nose into the health insurance industry anyway. The whole thing is wrong and just screwed up. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | runs4fun - 2014-03-26 8:51 AM That's it in a nut shell....don't go to work for a company that has religious beliefs that keep you from exercising your beliefs. You know, if everybody would stop trying to FORCE what they believe onto others things would be much simpler. There are plenty of people that believe along the lines of Hobby Lobby that can work there and those that believe differently are free to find employment elsewhere. But we always get into these battles of demanding our way...it's ridiculous.
I agree with this too. If you don't like the practices that your employer has, don't work for them. More people need to research where they work. It is disguisting to say the least when people take a job somewhere and then proceed to sue them because they don't like the working conditions. Just like the infamous Chik Fil A. If you don't like the owners belief's then don't eat there. If you dont like it that Hobby Lobby doesn't want to offer the morning after pill, then don't shop there. |
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| jbhoot - 2014-03-25 12:38 PM Nateracer - 2014-03-25 11:55 AM What I don't understand is why my employer needs to know about my personal life. They hire from all walks of life. They have to know that not everyone follows their Mormon path. So in an interveiw do they get to ask...So are you on birth control? What is your stance on abortion?
Um, I'm here to stock shelves or run a cash register.
Makes no sense to me. That is not what it's about. Hobby Lobby doesn't care one way or the other what you do for birth control. What they are arguing is that they do not want to pay for any type of birth control that ends the pregnancy after conception. ie. the morning after pill. They feel as to their believes that it is taking a life. There by being against their believes. They are only asking for the same consideration that has been given to others. IMO they may win.
In a way, it is what they are asking.
Do companies get reports of all of the drugs they are paying for when their employee goes to the doctor? Or are they just paying for insurance?
I just don't get why it's an employers decision how their insurance is used. If their policy carries it, it's lumped into the policy, so there is not much of a way to keep people from using it. They could change policies or providers, but why is a supreme court case needed to tell them to change policies?
It's constitutionally unfair to subject someone and MAKE them bow to YOUR religious findings. Freedom of Religion. You get to do what you want, but so do I.
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Location: Midwest | Nateracer - 2014-03-26 8:25 AM jbhoot - 2014-03-25 12:38 PM Nateracer - 2014-03-25 11:55 AM What I don't understand is why my employer needs to know about my personal life. They hire from all walks of life. They have to know that not everyone follows their Mormon path. So in an interveiw do they get to ask...So are you on birth control? What is your stance on abortion?
Um, I'm here to stock shelves or run a cash register.
Makes no sense to me. That is not what it's about. Hobby Lobby doesn't care one way or the other what you do for birth control. What they are arguing is that they do not want to pay for any type of birth control that ends the pregnancy after conception. ie. the morning after pill. They feel as to their believes that it is taking a life. There by being against their believes. They are only asking for the same consideration that has been given to others. IMO they may win.
Do companies get reports of all of the drugs they are paying for when their employee goes to the doctor? Or are they just paying for insurance?
I just don't get why it's an employers decision how their insurance is used. If their policy carries it, it's lumped into the policy, so there is not much of a way to keep people from using it. They could change policies or providers, but why is a supreme court case needed to tell them to change policies?
It's constitutionally unfair to subject someone and MAKE them bow to YOUR religious findings. Freedom of Religion. You get to do what you want, but so do I.
Agree
BTW, employers should not know what exactly you recieve under your insurance policy due to HIPAA, as far as I know.
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-03-26 8:32 AM
Nateracer - 2014-03-26 8:25 AM jbhoot - 2014-03-25 12:38 PM Nateracer - 2014-03-25 11:55 AM What I don't understand is why my employer needs to know about my personal life. They hire from all walks of life. They have to know that not everyone follows their Mormon path. So in an interveiw do they get to ask...So are you on birth control? What is your stance on abortion?Â
Um, I'm here to stock shelves or run a cash register. Â
Makes no sense to me. Â That is not what it's about. Hobby Lobby doesn't care one way or the other what you do for birth control. What they are arguing is that they do not want to pay for any type of birth control that ends the pregnancy after conception. ie. the morning after pill. They feel as to their believes that it is taking a life. There by being against their believes. They are only asking for the same consideration that has been given to others. IMO they may win.
 Do companies get reports of all of the drugs they are paying for when their employee goes to the doctor? Or are they just paying for insurance?
I just don't get why it's an employers decision how their insurance is used. If their policy carries it, it's lumped into the policy, so there is not much of a way to keep people from using it.   They could change policies or providers, but why is a supreme court case needed to tell them to change policies?   Â
It's constitutionally unfair to subject someone and MAKE them bow to YOUR religious findings. Freedom of Religion. You get to do what you want, but so do I.  Â
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Agree BTW, employers should not know what exactly you recieve under your insurance policy due to HIPAA, as far as I know. Â
Lady's I think you are both missing the issue why this has made it to the Supreme Court. Under the new health care law ALL insurance company's MUST offer ALL forms of birth control. So Hobby Lobby can not get a policy that does not offer these drugs. They are not objecting to birth control or paying for it. What they are objecting to is being forced to pay for the morning after drugs or any device that ends a pregnancy. They are not trying to stop you or your Dr. from using them. You want them fine you pay for them. Why they are at the Supreme Court is because this exemption has been granted to other groups and they want the same consideration. |
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| Nateracer - 2014-03-25 11:55 AM What I don't understand is why my employer needs to know about my personal life. They hire from all walks of life. They have to know that not everyone follows their Mormon path. So in an interveiw do they get to ask...So are you on birth control? What is your stance on abortion?
Um, I'm here to stock shelves or run a cash register.
Makes no sense to me.
You should consider doing some research on this before you continue targeting specific religions. It makes you look very uneducated. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | The real problem is the government............I'm sorry but I see no benefit from Obamacare.......oh wait the Affordable Care Act............which is not affordable........ |
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Location: Midwest | jbhoot - 2014-03-26 9:18 AM
barrelracr131 - 2014-03-26 8:32 AM
Nateracer - 2014-03-26 8:25 AM jbhoot - 2014-03-25 12:38 PM Nateracer - 2014-03-25 11:55 AM What I don't understand is why my employer needs to know about my personal life. They hire from all walks of life. They have to know that not everyone follows their Mormon path. So in an interveiw do they get to ask...So are you on birth control? What is your stance on abortion?Â
Um, I'm here to stock shelves or run a cash register. Â
Makes no sense to me. Â That is not what it's about. Hobby Lobby doesn't care one way or the other what you do for birth control. What they are arguing is that they do not want to pay for any type of birth control that ends the pregnancy after conception. ie. the morning after pill. They feel as to their believes that it is taking a life. There by being against their believes. They are only asking for the same consideration that has been given to others. IMO they may win.
 Do companies get reports of all of the drugs they are paying for when their employee goes to the doctor? Or are they just paying for insurance?
I just don't get why it's an employers decision how their insurance is used. If their policy carries it, it's lumped into the policy, so there is not much of a way to keep people from using it.   They could change policies or providers, but why is a supreme court case needed to tell them to change policies?   Â
It's constitutionally unfair to subject someone and MAKE them bow to YOUR religious findings. Freedom of Religion. You get to do what you want, but so do I.  Â
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Agree BTW, employers should not know what exactly you recieve under your insurance policy due to HIPAA, as far as I know. Â
Lady's I think you are both missing the issue why this has made it to the Supreme Court. Under the new health care law ALL insurance company's MUST offer ALL forms of birth control. So Hobby Lobby can not get a policy that does not offer these drugs. They are not objecting to birth control or paying for it. What they are objecting to is being forced to pay for the morning after drugs or any device that ends a pregnancy. They are not trying to stop you or your Dr. from using them. You want them fine you pay for them. Why they are at the Supreme Court is because this exemption has been granted to other groups and they want the same consideration.
I agree, but when you start exempting certain religious groups from certain laws, and setting such a precedent, I think that can be a slippery slope. (like in the example given above about the Christian Scientists). And in effect, sure you can pay for these things yourself, but the same could be said of blood transfusions, or other procedures. How does a government pick and choose?
Will the plans they offer still qualify as proper plans for employees to avoid the "tax"?
BTW, these devices do not end a pregnancy. They prevent implantation of the egg, which may or may not be fertilized.
A fertilized egg can fail to implant in a woman without these forms of birth control, and she would have never been considered pregnant.
Really it's all mincing words and ideas at this point. However, from a scientific standpoint, Plan B will not abort a pregnancy. It is different from RU-486 or whatever the abortion pill is called. That is not really often prescribed as far as I know, as it is quite dangerous. I'm not sure if they objected to that pill or the Plan B pill.
Realisitically, an IUD and oral BC really both prevent implantation, so I'm not sure where they are drawing their objection lines here, or why. (From what I understand, I'm not a doctor by any means).
Overall, I really don't have a lot of interest in this story, but I do think they will lose the case due to past legal precedent. |
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