Charmayne James' Waterford Bit

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panamasgold Reg. Dec 2004	Posted 2014-04-02 10:44 AM Subject: Charmayne James' Waterford Bit
Extreme Veteran Posts: 589	I would like more info on this bit. I have a horse that is very heavy in the bridle and I am interested in this bit. Pros/ cons?? Thanks!
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panamasgold Reg. Dec 2004	Posted 2014-04-02 11:39 AM Subject: RE: Charmayne James' Waterford Bit
Extreme Veteran Posts: 589	Anyone??
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turnnburnkota Reg. Jan 2009	Posted 2014-04-02 12:04 PM Subject: RE: Charmayne James' Waterford Bit
Veteran Posts: 224 Location: So Cal	I use this bit on my mare and she loves it. She's one who will lean on your hands if you're not careful, but if I use a mouthpiece that is "too much", I have to be sooo careful when I pick up on her or she is really dramatic about it. This bit is a good balance and she loves the mouthpiece. It is a pretty long shank, I wish it came with a shorter one, but it makes it have a lot of lift, too... But anyway, yeah I really like it. The mouthpiece has worked really well for my horse who can be kind of picky and leans on a lot of things.
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panamasgold Reg. Dec 2004	Posted 2014-04-02 12:07 PM Subject: RE: Charmayne James' Waterford Bit
Extreme Veteran Posts: 589	Thank you! That's how my gelding is also!!!
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kickincans Reg. Apr 2006	Posted 2014-04-02 12:42 PM Subject: RE: Charmayne James' Waterford Bit
Elite Veteran Posts: 616 Location: Texas	I am using a Waterford mouthpiece on my gelding but I am using the Reinsman R802 X Series Cavalry Shank Stainless Waterford Snaffle Bit, I Really like this bit, I was having problems with rate and he gets really strong when your running out so I needed more whoa but if I put too much on him he would tend to get light in the front end trying to get away from it, he packs this one great, it is also a heavier shank which helps feel the horse's mouth more directly and you have more control
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cyount2009 Reg. Apr 2012	Posted 2014-04-02 1:19 PM Subject: RE: Charmayne James' Waterford Bit
Expert Posts: 1898	I use this bit a lot in training. Someone did mention about a month ago that they felt the diameter of the mouth piece made it more sever. I tend to disagree only because the "beads" are broken much like a chain and lay directly on the tongue. The concern was that because of the diameter it would affect a shallow paletted horse more severely than a horse with a less fleshy palette. I can tell you that the mare I ride has a shallow palette and she handles very well in it. The CJ Watterford does have a very long shank but when looking at the over all mechanics of the bit it is important to know the CJ Leverage series have a ratio of 1:1 meaning for every inch the shank travels backward the purchase travel the same forward. This translate to every pound of pressure you apply to the reins being transferred equal to the bit. If you use 10 lbs of pressure to stop your horse, your horse feels 10 lbs of pressure on the bit as well on the curb. Now if we break that down even further and you were to max out the distance the shank and purchase are to travel that 1 pound of evenly dispersed pressure can quickly turn into 4.5x (on a 9 inch total length from the top of the purchase to the bottom of the shank) as much (If it takes you 10 lbs of hand pressure to stop your horse that multiplies to 45 lbs delivered by the bit.) Generally CJ leverage bit is rode with a leather or soft rope curb however I have seen it used with a chain. A bit with a higher ratio, meaning the purchase is shorter than the shank would intensify the pressure applied. A 3:1 ratio would mean that 10 lbs multiplies to 30. When using a higher ratio bit for every inch the purchase moves the shank moves 3. Something with a 3 inch purchase and a 4 inch shank would have the potential to distribute 12x the pressure applied by the hands (if you move the shank a total of 4 inches from its comfortable hanging position this would have the capability of increasing leverage 4 fold.) ETA: I didn't actually answer your question. The Watterford will help correct a horse that wants to lean on the bit because they are unable to brace on it. It allows you more control of their face, neck and shoulders. I have not found that it encourages a horse to break at the poll and I have not found it extremely useful on horses that need more whoa or rate. If I feel like the Waterford is almost right but I need a little more rate and break at the poll I tend to use the CJ Pretzel. Edited by cyount2009 2014-04-02 1:30 PM
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