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| Purchased a new horse in October, and after months and months of different vets, antibiotics, and attempts at diagnostics. A state school has diagnosed my horse with IAD. He was diagnosed with a moderate-severe case of IAD. We had a pre-purchase exam done and the horse was noted to have drainage but the vet did not alarm us. The day after we brought him home he had his first vet appointment to try and figure out the source of drainage. It has been a continuous battle since.
Five state school vets diagnosed him with IAD yesterday and my heart sank, as I was hoping to get back into barrel racing.
What are your experiences? What has worked for you as far as supplements? Any encouragement?
Were you able to keep your horse performing?
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Location: Midwest | PM RLB... she has one with breathing/allergy issues. |
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Location: Texas | How old is the horse. My horse was so bad when he was young that anything faster than a walk and he would start coughing. I raised the horse from a foal and lost a couple of years due to this. Very frustrating. Numerous vets and lots of $$ later... I was able to manage it with silverlining herbs #22 respiratory support. Might also try the #9 inflammaid (they didn't have that when I needed it). Also put him on Springtime Inc. spirulina, 10 wafers 2 x day. My husband and I take it ourselves to prevent allergies and it works great. My horse is now 12 and will still cough once or twice when warming up, but he is just clearing his air way now (had him scoped and nothing). I know how frustrating it can be. |
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Location: Sorrow Not! Defending against workplace bullies | I have a horse who had a mystery cough and I was sure he would have heaves and never be OK. He is perfectly fine now. I kept him out of the barn at all times with 24/7 turnout and still do. Because of dust in hay he was fed only soaked hay cubes for 2 Months.
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 Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | My 21 year old has breathing problems but they're very manageable. I can't remember if IAD is one of the things my vet said he had a few years ago, but I run him on Ventipulmin, avoid dust like the plague, and do my best to pull him off the round bale a few days before he has to run. He likes to stick his head way down inside the bale and eat a hole to the bottom, meanwhile inhaling all the dust & crap from the inside of the hay bale. PM me if you want to ask any specific questions about how I manage Joker's breathing issues. He is still going strong - ran in the 2D both days at the Big J Barrel Blast last weekend (161 entries & 192 entries) with his Saturday run in the top 30 of the whole race. |
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Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | sport565 - 2014-04-02 9:15 PM Does your horse have excessive mucus? If so how do you manage it?
I haven't noticed any problems with mucus and actually he is coughing a lot less this year than he has in past years. |
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| My mare has breathing issues. No definite diagnosis, but she has been scoped twice and both times only found minor irritation. She has difficulty breathing and blows air out of the corner of her mouth. Without treatment, after a run she will drop her head and cough. She also had a chronic dry cough. So I treat her as a bleeder and for dust allergies. I have used ventipulmin in the past with positive results, but switched to Tri-Hist daily. She had been off of the Tri-Hist for several months because it was on backorder, but about a month ago I noticed she was having trouble breathing so I put her back on it. For anything over a light ride I give her a product called Super Wind. There is another more well-known product that is similar, but I can't think of the name right now! For a run, she gets Lasix and Super Wind. I feed her on a rubber mat so her hay doesn't get in the dirt. I hose her hay off to try to eliminate any dust (if I had the money I'd buy a hay steamer) and I spread the hay out so she doesn't bury her nose in it.
This seems to be managing her issues, although I'm still looking for other options that might make her feel even better. |
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Location: Georgia | LUNG AID WORKS PEOPLE! Its actually the main reason i became a rep. I was so impressed with the results i got. I have a coupon code for 10% off and FREE SHIPPING. code is " cockk" in promo section online or you can call with it. They will send samples of other products( which arent samples they are full size) with your first purchase as well.... www.choiceofchamps.com Introducing a Comprehensive Conditioner for Your Horse's Lungs
Lung Aid promotes equine respiratory health and healing from injury or illness and prevents Epistaxis in horses. If your horse is susceptible to nose bleeds or respiratory ailments, Lung Aid is a must.
•Fights off infection
•Increases endurance
•Improves lung capacity
•Improves overall lung condition
•Boosts the immune system
•Improves heaves
•Improves allergies
•Improves chronic cough
•Improves lung congestion
•Improves nasal and mucous discharge
INGREDIENTS: Citrus Bioflavanoid compound - enhances the use of ascorbic acid while protecting it from oxidation. Sodium Ascorbate - required for the synthesis of collagen in connection tissue. Promotes healthy cell development of normal tissue growth and healing of wounds. Assists in the prevention of blood clotting, bruising and strengthens the walls of the capillaries and helps clear up infections.
Hesperidin - acts as a powerful anti-oxidant, anto-inflammatory, anti-allergic and vasoprotective.
Rutin - helps maintain healthy capillaries and supports a healthy immune system.
Quercitin - helps prevent vascular degeneration, bruising and capillary fragility.
Acerola - is an edible fruit containing high amounts of Vitamin C.
Rose Hips - is a highly recognized source of Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Vitamin F, Vitamins B and Riboflavin.
Packaged in a two month supply $90.00
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| TBone - 2014-04-02 2:15 PM
How old is the horse. My horse was so bad when he was young that anything faster than a walk and he would start coughing. I raised the horse from a foal and lost a couple of years due to this. Very frustrating. Numerous vets and lots of $$ later... I was able to manage it with silverlining herbs #22 respiratory support. Might also try the #9 inflammaid (they didn't have that when I needed it). Also put him on Springtime Inc. spirulina, 10 wafers 2 x day. My husband and I take it ourselves to prevent allergies and it works great. My horse is now 12 and will still cough once or twice when warming up, but he is just clearing his air way now (had him scoped and nothing). I know how frustrating it can be.
Thank you everyone for the great advice!
My horse has significant mucus coming from both nostrils several times a day. He rarely ever coughs, but when they scoped him he had significant mucus in his trachea and IAD was confirmed with a cytology and the presence of inflammatory cells.
My horse just turned 12 years old. They haven't started him on any treatment, but will shortly.
What are your thoughts on steroids and laminitis?
There are so many supplements to choose from!!
It is very frustrating and discouraging because for months we didn't know what was wrong. Had several vets look at him and they could never nail down what they thought it was. So, yes lots of $$ later LOTS! LOL. Virginia Tech was able to diagnose him!
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Location: Oklahoma | Last spring my mare (10) was coughing so badly, even at the walk, that I couldn't ride. Her head was down so far between her legs she'd trip herself and you couldn't get it up because she would either cough or be afraid of coughing. 3 vet appointments later they told me she was fine run her on Tri Hist, Banamine and Ventipulmin. She bled so bad it was a miracle she was still alive. Finally we took her to UC Davis where they diagnosed her with pnuemonia. 30 days of steroids and antibiotics along with inhalers and 6 months off I started riding again. She still would cough but soon realized she could breathe again. I sent her to rehab to go on the aquatread and she is now obviously a bleeder as well.
Since then I ride everyday or I have found that she will cough. If she does cough, it's on the first lap of trotting and it's sort of a half cough and she moves on. (I've learned the sound of coughs!!) She lost a lot of weight due to the stress of all the medication last year so I'm still trying to get her back to normal. She gets Lung Aid to help keep her lungs healthy and I am a freak about dust. I warm up in the back 40, feed on mats or in a hay bag if I'm not at home, no shavings unless I have to and they're wetted down, if the air is dusty/smoky/bad at home I will not ride, I have to pick and choose where to run and make sure she is in the best shape she can be. I have also started her on a new supplement from Dynamite that a friend suggested called Hiscorbadyne. Before I run she gets Lasix and Air Power as well as regular Vix in her nose right before I run (the last thing I do before so there is no dust in it from warming up).
It's a pain but she's the only one I have and she's worth it!!! In 5 runs back this year she's gotten checks at 4! |
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Location: Home of the World Famous "Silver Bullet" | gagrl - 2014-04-03 9:00 AM
LUNG AID WORKS PEOPLE! Its actually the main reason i became a rep. I was so impressed with the results i got. I have a coupon code for 10% off and FREE SHIPPING. code is " cockk" in promo section online or you can call with it. They will send samples of other products( which arent samples they are full size) with your first purchase as well.... www.choiceofchamps.com
Introducing a Comprehensive Conditioner for Your Horse's Lungs
Lung Aid promotes equine respiratory health and healing from injury or illness and prevents Epistaxis in horses. If your horse is susceptible to nose bleeds or respiratory ailments, Lung Aid is a must.
•Fights off infection
•Increases endurance
•Improves lung capacity
•Improves overall lung condition
•Boosts the immune system
•Improves heaves
•Improves allergies
•Improves chronic cough
•Improves lung congestion
•Improves nasal and mucous discharge
INGREDIENTS:
Citrus Bioflavanoid compound - enhances the use of ascorbic acid while protecting it from oxidation.
Sodium Ascorbate - required for the synthesis of collagen in connection tissue. Promotes healthy cell development of normal tissue growth and healing of wounds. Assists in the prevention of blood clotting, bruising and strengthens the walls of the capillaries and helps clear up infections.
Hesperidin - acts as a powerful anti-oxidant, anto-inflammatory, anti-allergic and vasoprotective.
Rutin - helps maintain healthy capillaries and supports a healthy immune system.
Quercitin - helps prevent vascular degeneration, bruising and capillary fragility.
Acerola - is an edible fruit containing high amounts of Vitamin C.
Rose Hips - is a highly recognized source of Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Vitamin F, Vitamins B and Riboflavin.
Packaged in a two month supply $90.00
started 2 horses on it yesterday. one has heaves the other is bleeding though her current meds. |
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| The best thing I have found for horses with breathing problems is lung aid, I dose it a little differently you can pm me if you have questions, and "puffers" when I run. With this combination my horse is running so much better. I use albuterol and fluticasone inhalers for my horse. The fluticasone is a little spendy but it has 100 doses in it, works out to about $4 a run. I have also had good luck with Tri-hist. I have found that the lung aid works best with horses that have breathing issues related to allergies. Not sure if you have done this but I would suggest doing a trachea wash and having the mucous tested to see what is causing it. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | I have a horse with IAD, but he was diagnosed late and it was allowed to get too advanced. He gets steamed hay and has an inhaler but when he has a bad flare up, nothing really helps. The last time I tried to run him he bled, and I haven't ran him since because he had a whole mess of other issues (punctured his sole and was lame for months) and every time I try to start legging him up again something stupid happens, like his hay steamer breaks (if he doesn't have steamed hay he has problems, almost immediately).
When I keep up on everything he's able to still perform, but he's definitely high maintenance.
ETA my horse has mucus, coughing, and nasal discharge. He's had his lung x-rays and been scoped multiple times. The only thing that ever improves his cough is dex, ventipulmin or his inhaler meds. I've tried him on Lung Aid, SmartBreathe, Air Power, Cough Free, Equi-Tussin, Freeway, Freeway Gold, Smooth Breathe, and AniHist...none of those help him. Not saying they won't help your horse, but speaking from experience, your best bet is to always keep in contact with your vet. I wasted SO much time trying to get these "cheaper" solutions to work, and that's why his IAD got as advanced as it did.
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| Thank you again!
We are waiting on the results of the tracheal wash!
What steamer do you use? Where is the cheapest place to buy a steamer? Thanks! |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Blueridgedreaming - 2014-04-03 10:28 AM
Thank you again!
We are waiting on the results of the tracheal wash!
What steamer do you use? Where is the cheapest place to buy a steamer? Thanks!
Well first I tried building my own, using this website:
http://horseandman.com/tag/make-your-own-hay-steamer/
It cost only like $100 to build and it worked great, EXCEPT the steamer (and I used the Wagner 705) kept burning out. I replaced it maybe 4 times (they were only lasting about 2 months each) before I bought the travel sized Happy Horse Steamer:
http://www.happyhorseproducts.us/index.asp?mid=5&mid2=145
This cost I think is almost $400 and I was so excited except that when I opened the box, a Wagner 705 is what they used as a steamer. Just like my last ones, it burnt out after 2 months and Happy Horse wouldn't send me another one.
So I caved and spent $800 on a Haygain.
http://www.haygain.us/?page_id=4864
Much better product, I should have just bought this one in the first place. Better company to work with too, I had a problem with my first one and they sent me a new one for free, no questions asked. I've had it for over a year now with no problems. |
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| I have also tried multiple over the counter products multiple trips to vet 2different vets scoped several times only thing that helps is dex and ventipulmin she has had equistem 3 times I have a problem getting the vets to understand the situation I worry about using the dex often it is so frustrating I also steam her hay |
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Location: Kansas | Just another repercussion of vaccinating. So many kids, horses, dogs, cats...you name it have asthma, airway issues, allergies etc. You can do some research. The products with herbs and stuff to boost the immune is the way to go to help. |
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| Oh man that sucks to hear! After my experience last year I wish this upon no one! |
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Location: Stillwater, OK | amy laymon - 2014-04-03 6:05 PM
Just another repercussion of vaccinating. So many kids, horses, dogs, cats...you name it have asthma, airway issues, allergies etc. You can do some research. The products with herbs and stuff to boost the immune is the way to go to help.
This isn't caused by a vaccination. You actually want to be a lot more vigilant with your vaccines with this horse as well. Any little respiratory bug that your other horses may pick up, have a snotty nose for a day or two, then clear will be a lot bigger deal with this horse. You don't want to tax his airway anymore than it already is.
It seems like you've already figured out the management changes that will help you out. NO ROUND BALES for this horse, steaming or soaking your hay, don't feed a dusty grain, keep him in a grass pasture, keep your arena wet. On days where there is really high pollen, you'll probably want to keep him in a stall with a fan on him.
You could also try some immunostimulation on him like Eq-Stim. Also, talk to your vet about interferon-alpha therapy.
There is a supplement that came out last year that had some really great research behind it but I CANNOT for the life of me remember what it was called! I'm searching for it and once I find it, I'll share it. |
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