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| It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth. |
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Location: North Texas | What about you MRS Finney? Marry an existing ranching?! See "I" know more about you than you do me................................I kinda like research. And I know somewhat about your origins. |
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| daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM
It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth.
Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away.
I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election. |
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Location: North Texas | musikmaker - 2014-04-13 11:58 AM
This is why ignorant people shouldn't claim an opinion.
And MRS JOE Finney continually proves HER abundance of Ignorance in regards World Affairs and ESPECIALLY in regards to Constitutional Matters. |
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Location: North Texas | bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:05 PM
daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM
It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth.
Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away.
I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election.
Bscanchaser, are you familiar with the reports that Harry Reid and Son are involved w/ China and Nevada Land for Energy Production? And these 'goings on' are dated to back to 2003 minimally. Historical Research is a good thing.
Also Obama and The Rest of The Executive Branch of Government is heavily influenced by The Chinese Government due to Chinese Government holding so much FEDERAL not State Debt. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 11:05 AM daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth. Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away. I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election.
They supported the Democrats when they paid the bogus fees to a bogus agency to start with. Lol...
The 'mainstream media' is handling this with kid gloves...they didn't report anything until it was over...woosies.
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bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:05 PM
daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM
It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth.
Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away.
I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election.
Bscanchaser, are you familiar with the reports that Harry Reid and Son are involved w/ China and Nevada Land for Energy Production? And these 'goings on' are dated to back to 2003 minimally. Historical Research is a good thing.
Also Obama and The Rest of The Executive Branch of Government is heavily influenced by The Chinese Government due to Chinese Government holding so much FEDERAL not State Debt.
Yes I have read about this. For some reason I can't seem to figure out how a 9,000 acre solar/wind facility would shut down a 600,000 acre multi-use area...especially when there are windmills in various other regions in the state and other areas of BLM multi-use seem to function just fine. Research is a good thing... |
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Location: North Texas | bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:33 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-13 12:15 PM
bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:05 PM
daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM
It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth.
Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away.
I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election.
Bscanchaser, are you familiar with the reports that Harry Reid and Son are involved w/ China and Nevada Land for Energy Production? And these 'goings on' are dated to back to 2003 minimally. Historical Research is a good thing.
Also Obama and The Rest of The Executive Branch of Government is heavily influenced by The Chinese Government due to Chinese Government holding so much FEDERAL not State Debt.
Yes I have read about this. For some reason I can't seem to figure out how a 9,000 acre solar/wind facility would shut down a 600,000 acre multi-use area...especially when there are windmills in various other regions in the state and other areas of BLM multi-use seem to function just fine. Research is a good thing...
Ok. Let me you ask a 'pointed' question. Do you support Harry Reid? |
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| foundation horse - 2014-04-13 12:07 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-13 11:58 AM This is why ignorant people shouldn't claim an opinion. And MRS JOE Finney continually proves HER abundance of Ignorance in regards World Affairs and ESPECIALLY in regards to Constitutional Matters.
So I'm one that hates to assume anything so I have to ask... Is Joe your little Brother? Ex-boyfriend? Or are you lesbian and just p***ed off you're not able to legally marry yet? Just curious why the hate for the MRS part of this?
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daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM
It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth.
Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away.
I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election.
Bscanchaser, are you familiar with the reports that Harry Reid and Son are involved w/ China and Nevada Land for Energy Production? And these 'goings on' are dated to back to 2003 minimally. Historical Research is a good thing.
Also Obama and The Rest of The Executive Branch of Government is heavily influenced by The Chinese Government due to Chinese Government holding so much FEDERAL not State Debt.
Yes I have read about this. For some reason I can't seem to figure out how a 9,000 acre solar/wind facility would shut down a 600,000 acre multi-use area...especially when there are windmills in various other regions in the state and other areas of BLM multi-use seem to function just fine. Research is a good thing...
Ok. Let me you ask a 'pointed' question. Do you support Harry Reid?
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-13 10:32 AM QUIT SUCKING AT THE PUBLIC TEAT. Join the rest of us ranchers not fortunate enough to own a federal or state grazing allotment and buy a ranch, pay a mortgage, & pay land taxes. Then you can do as you d**n well please. You can graze it into the ground and kill every living creature that takes feed away from your cows. That will be your right as a land owner. But until then, you do not own the federal and state land that you graze your cows on. We all do, and everyone has a say in how it is utilized. You knew that when you accepted the insanely low grazing fees in exchange for following the rules set forth for you to follow. While record high beef prices are the norm now, ordinary ranchers’ profits are tempered with increasingly high pasture rents and feed costs. Sure, we can manage our land as we see fit, but we pay for it, out the nose, while those who pay next to nothing for pasture rent on Federal Land complain to anybody who will listen about how abused they are by the big, bad, Government. Well, I’ve got a solution for you; give up your allotments and practice what you preach. Let some of the young ranchers who would give their eye teeth to have the opportunity to graze their livestock for $1.35/AUM the chance to make it in an ever increasing hard area to break into. But you know what? They won’t do it. Why should they. They are content to have it both ways. Make a mint off the rest of us and get a national audience about how abused they are. They can pack their pistols and rifles around and talk about shooting federal agents, not pay their rent, and get a platform on Hannity. The rightwing media and the militia groups love it because they get noticed. Ratings, don’t you know. I wonder why, if they are so supportive of the Bundy family, rather than strut around threatening to shoot people, why don’t they just pay the $1M fees and fines they owe and defuse the situation? They are certainly making enough money off the family by hawking their troubles on tv and radio to be able to afford it. But that’s not what this is all about for them. It is really about exploiting a ranch family’s misguided sense of right and wrong to make money and push an anti-government agenda. Even though the Feds turned the cows out this weekend, we all know this is not over. When the cameras quit rolling, and the militia men go back to work on Monday, the Bundy family is still going to be in a world of trouble, only now it is not just for refusing to pay their pasture rent. Now they are forever in recorded history of making terroristic threats to law enforcement and public officials. They have backed themselves in a corner of their own making, and we can all hope that they don’t come out shooting, because odds are, it is not going to end pretty for anyone.
Your blindness to the real issues here is appalling. And it scares me how many people think like you do. |
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| daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth. This happens all the time, I have read several articles about men and women in Congress buying land knowing that future legislation/projects will effect it's value- legal inside trading so to speak. One congressman keeps introducing a bill to make this illegal but bill he can't get enough support to get it to a vote.
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Location: North Texas | bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:41 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-13 12:07 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-13 11:58 AM This is why ignorant people shouldn't claim an opinion. And MRS JOE Finney continually proves HER abundance of Ignorance in regards World Affairs and ESPECIALLY in regards to Constitutional Matters.
My POINT is Mrs Joe Finney is the #2 Mrs. She married an existing rancher and did not help build that ranch but married into an existing ranch. MRS. Finney was smart enough to ascertain EXACTLY what I was implying and to date has decided to decline to reply.
Like I previously stated, knowing people and being capable of doing research coupled w/ critical thinking skills can be a good thing.
Now about Harry Reid? Do you support Him?
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:05 PM daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth. Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away. I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election.
It's about commie control. If they control the land, the water, the food, they control the people. Mass starvation is just another option in their book. Making illegal money while doing it is gravy. |
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Location: North Texas | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-13 12:45 PM
honestly, i've yet to figure out how Finney's didn't make it on the spread they had in NE.....
Something about Cold Weather is what my sources indicate. |
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Location: North Texas | bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:43 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-13 12:37 PM
bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:33 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-13 12:15 PM
bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:05 PM
daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM
It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth.
Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away.
I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election.
Bscanchaser, are you familiar with the reports that Harry Reid and Son are involved w/ China and Nevada Land for Energy Production? And these 'goings on' are dated to back to 2003 minimally. Historical Research is a good thing.
Also Obama and The Rest of The Executive Branch of Government is heavily influenced by The Chinese Government due to Chinese Government holding so much FEDERAL not State Debt.
Yes I have read about this. For some reason I can't seem to figure out how a 9,000 acre solar/wind facility would shut down a 600,000 acre multi-use area...especially when there are windmills in various other regions in the state and other areas of BLM multi-use seem to function just fine. Research is a good thing...
Ok. Let me you ask a 'pointed' question. Do you support Harry Reid?
No. I have never support or voted for Harry Reid.
But your current comment(s) indicate differently. Does the definition of hypocrisy come to mind?
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Location: North Texas | musikmaker - 2014-04-13 12:33 PM
bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 11:05 AM daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth. Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away. I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election.
The 'mainstream media' is handling this with kid gloves...they didn't report anything until it was over...woosies.
Yesterday was a good day in America!
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