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| Anyone notice the new Amino Acid supplement in your feed stores yet? small green bag with an eventing horse on it... Any thoughts on the product?? My store owner said that in the study horses that were fed the product had a larger forarm muscle and improved bounce back after exercise, ability to work longer etc... basically wondering if its a bag full of magic fairy dust, or worth a $44 shot at trying it!? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I got an email on it and wondered the same thing. I need to study up on it a wee bit before I start mixing it with my Platinum. |
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Location: Benton City, WA | This was recommended to me by an equine nutrition vet for my horse that had colic surgery last fall. She had a large amount of small intestine removed which has impacted her ability to absorb nutrients, and keep weight on.
Here is a little more product info: http://horse.purinamills.com/stellent/groups/public/@purinasites/documents/web_content/ECMQ2-0035354.pdf
I'm going to try it... |
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| Hmm, well I just caved and went and bought a bag, I think I'm going to give it to a gelding I have that is just starting to lope the pattern. I feel a little better about using him as the lab rat LOL |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | How big is the bag for $44? |
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| 25 pounds. The front says it is a 50 day supply but they have you feeding different amounts depending on the weight of your horse. There is a chart on the back that starts with a 750 lb horse, and Im guessing they probably mean its a 50 day supply if you have the 750 lb horse lol... |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Sounds like a similar product to THE Muscle Mass which also has amino acids. 80 doses runs under $80 and that is for a full size horse, smaller ones such as weanlings and yearlings can get a 1/2 scoop. |
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Location: WI | I saw this supplement referenced in another thread - wondering if anyone that posted on here who tried it have any results? |
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Location: Willows, CA | I tried to look up the ingredients and, as usual they don't seem to have that on their web site. What does the ingredient list on the bag say?? |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | http://purinamills.com/purinamills/media/PDF/Horses/Products/SuperSport_SellSheet_Opt.pdf |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | It looks like you will be adding 17% more NSC to your horses diet on top of whatever grain (NSC) they are already getting. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Thanks, soy meal, wheat mids, alfalfa meal and soy protein. Nothing special there. The whey protein is interesting. The ingredients listed after calcium are typical, and not in high inclusion. At least they didn't do their typical "byproducts" ingredient listing. This product would probibly support a coastal hay program on younger growing horses where you need to get total daily protein levels to 15%. There are a number of these on the market, but not with whey protein. Since that is not vegetable derived, I am not sure how I feel about that. At least it appears to be fixed formulated. Do do not see that from the major feed companies anymore. |
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Location: Willows, CA | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-06-21 1:18 PM
It looks like you will be adding 17% more NSC to your horses diet on top of whatever grain (NSC) they are already getting.
Only adds 38 grams total NSC daily to the diet. This is not significant. You vary this more when you grab a flake of hay. Not saying that I am recommending this product, just saying there may be some value where overall protein levels in diet are under necessary levels for proper healthy function. That being said, just about every major makes a product in this category. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | winwillows - 2014-06-21 12:31 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-06-21 1:18 PM It looks like you will be adding 17% more NSC to your horses diet on top of whatever grain (NSC) they are already getting. Only adds 38 grams total NSC daily to the diet. This is not significant. You vary this more when you grab a flake of hay. Not saying that I am recommending this product, just saying there may be some value where overall protein levels in diet are under necessary levels for proper healthy function. That being said, just about every major makes a product in this category.
Are you sure? I have always been told when looking at NSC, add the starch and sugar % on the label and there you have it. What they list as the % is what you are giving per the recommended feeding. So if you feed less or more you aren't giving the same values as they show for min/max if each vitamin/mineral etc. So regardless of the grams you are feeding, if you feed a lower starch/sugar feed of 15% and add this supplement...you are now feeding 32% NSC. That is super high for any horse expecially ones with PSSM issues etc. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-06-21 1:37 PM
winwillows - 2014-06-21 12:31 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-06-21 1:18 PM It looks like you will be adding 17% more NSC to your horses diet on top of whatever grain (NSC) they are already getting. Only adds 38 grams total NSC daily to the diet. This is not significant. You vary this more when you grab a flake of hay. Not saying that I am recommending this product, just saying there may be some value where overall protein levels in diet are under necessary levels for proper healthy function. That being said, just about every major makes a product in this category.
You have to look at the percentage vs total.
17% of 1 pound (454 grams) is 77.18 grams
17% of 1 ounce (28.375 grams) is 4.82 grams
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| barrel_racing_angel - 2014-04-17 2:21 PM
This was recommended to me by an equine nutrition vet for my horse that had colic surgery last fall. She had a large amount of small intestine removed which has impacted her ability to absorb nutrients, and keep weight on.
Here is a little more product info: http://horse.purinamills.com/stellent/groups/public/@purinasites/documents/web_content/ECMQ2-0035354.pdf
I'm going to try it...
This is interesting. My mare had 30 feet of small intestine removed 13 years ago and they made no recommendations. I never changed her feed (after the recuperation time while she was on Equine Sr) and the only thing I have noticed that might be attributed to malabsorbtion is cracks in her feet that do NOT go through to the white line.
I have asked repeatedly, different vets, what I could do to help compensate and have never gotten any advice. She is 28 and doing well, though I would like to see her gain a tad bit more weight. She is now on a mix of Equine Sr and Stratagy. I think that she would do better on the Gro Strong Ultra Fiber that I feed the rest but picky eater that she is, she won't eat it very well. And she will only eat so much, then she is done. She has been that way for the entire 20 years I have owned her. Never have to worry about her over eating if they raid the feed room tho.
So glad to hear that your horse survived this surgery. The odds are not all that great. I think that I used up my good luck quota with my mare surviving and thriving ....but it still was worth it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-04-17 5:36 PM Sounds like a similar product to THE Muscle Mass which also has amino acids. 80 doses runs under $80 and that is for a full size horse, smaller ones such as weanlings and yearlings can get a 1/2 scoop. Sounds more like trying to copy THE but doesn't back it up with quality ingredients. It's full of fillers..LOL
Ingredients:
Dehulled Soybean Meal, Wheat Middlings, Soy Protein
Concentrate, Dried Whey Protein Concentrate, Dehydrated
Alfalfa Meal, Cane Molasses, Calcium Carbonate, L-Lysine,
DL-Methionine, Salt, L-Threonine, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc
Oxide, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Copper Sulfate, Thiamine
Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement,
Sodium Selenite, Natural Anise Flavor, Fenugreek Flavor.
Edited by Nevertooold 2014-06-21 2:02 PM
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Location: Willows, CA | Recommended feed rate is 1/2 pound for a 1000 pound horse. At 17 % NSC that provides about 38 grams of combined starch and sugar contributed to the total daily diet. If the total diet is, say, 20 pounds per day that is 9080 grams. 38 grams from that supplement is 4 tenths of one percent of the total. You do not add NSC % one on top of another. You instead add grams contributed from each ingredient and divide that by total grams of the diet, in this case 9080 to give you percentage of NSC fed daily. 4/10 of 1% is insignificant. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | So I have spent abotu 2 hours on and off googling NSC and nowhere did I find a thing about grams. If you want to feed low NSC, they all show things like this chart. If you need your horse to be under 20% NSC you do not worry about grams, you go on sugars plus starch = your NSC. Obviously you have to add up the hay/forage your horse gets, grains and supplements. This particular supplement is high in NSC for just being a supplement.
able 1. Average Sugar, Starch and Non-Structural Carbohydrate (NSC) Values of Selected Feedstuffs*.
FeedstuffSugarStarchNSC
Oat Hay16.0%6.3%22.1%
Barley Hay14.9%5.8%20.4%
Alfalfa Hay8.9%2.5%11.3%
Bermudagrass Hay7.5%6.1%13.6%
Grass Hay11.1%2.9%13.8%
Alfalfa Pellets7.2%2.3%9.3%
Alfalfa Cubes8.3%2.0%10.2%
Grass Pasture10.3%3.4%12.1%
Rice Bran6.2%17.7%21.2%
Oats4.8%44.4%54.1%
Corn3.7%70.3%73.3%
Barley6.0%53.7%61.7%
Beet Pulp10.7%1.4%12.3%
Wheat Bran8.3%22.8%31.1%
Soybean Hulls4.3%1.9%6.3%
Wheat Middlings10.1%26.2%32.0%
Soybean Meal14.3%2.1%16.2%
http://www.triplecrownfeed.com/articles/horsenutrition-carbohydrates-in-equine-nutrition-horse-nutrition/ |
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Location: Willows, CA | Sorry, but you don't understand. I only used grams fed as an example. You can use mg, oz, pounds or any other unit of measure. The percent of NSC listed on a label represents that part found in the product. If you want to use pounds, one pound of a 17% NSC feed would mean that 2.72 ounces of NSC would be added to the total daily diet you feed. You would not get another 17% added to the total NSC the rest of the diet provides. Sorry I got this thread off track from the subject. If you are feeding for a controlled starch and sugar number it is important to understand how this works. I am clearly not a Purina fan,but this product does not raise NSC in any significant way if fed as directed. |
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