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Location: IL | .....for those of you who don't inject or use injecting as a final option, what are some things you do or suggest to do for a horse that has sore hocks?
Is injecting the only option? |
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| Why would you not inject. If your knee was hurting you would you get you knee injected. Why would you not help ypur horse tye better he feels the better he will,work and your time will be faster. I watched a thread on alcohol fusing and several people said not to do it. There where people who knew someone who,had a bad outcome but you know we knew nothimg about who did it, weather it was a local vet ormwas it a specialist. I went to a well know clinic and if i had one hock to do the doctor at the clinic sqid we could,fix it one way and since it was both we did xray and check the contrast we did, both and the very next day horse was movimg better. Had to,be off for,30 days. Well over the weekend will be timenough to,start riding when, my shoer. comes out he will tell me how,sore my horses rear is. Hope he is good. I carried my horse to a top vey proiment east coast vet he thermoscan him found one hock took xrays did not,do,other hock. If one hock is sore it would make since othe hick. Butmit was a blessing. This other vet is also a lamness specialist she spent a lot of time with my horse we talked about a lot of thimgs we ultrasoumd suspensories before we did,the alcohol fusion. We went over that horse nothing left. Horse was complety sound in everymway before we got to,hocks only lower hocks where bad. For,an 11 year old horse his joints looked very good. I did the alcoloj fusion coat 500.00 bux fir,the whole thing, vet has done tons of these.
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Location: IL | daisycake123 - 2014-04-29 8:33 PM Why would you not inject. If your knee was hurting you would you get you knee injected. Why would you not help ypur horse tye better he feels the better he will,work and your time will be faster. Vet hasn't said she needs to be injected yet. She has been cleared to go back to work from a front leg issue. Vet said her hocks may be sore from compensating when her front leg/s were injured but hasn't suggested injections just yet. I'm asking because it seems that everyone suggests injections as the "go to" when there is hock pain so I was curious if there were any other suggestions/options out there. I'm not against injections but don't want to inject if I don't have to.
ETA: If my own knee was hurting I am 100% sure I would not get it injected......I am terrified of needles. Just sayin....
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| No injecting is not the only option. I work on hocks with my laser. That and the Theraplate have really helped with the injections. I also give Polyglycan and feed Platinum CJ |
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Location: IL | readytorodeo - 2014-04-29 9:20 PM No injecting is not the only option. I work on hocks with my laser. That and the Theraplate have really helped with the injections. I also give Polyglycan and feed Platinum CJ
I was wondering if a joint supplement would be beneficial. She is 16 years old, hasn't been used heavily at all but is getting up there in age now, plus she's not put together the best! haha!
When you say laser, are you refering to one of those cold lasers? I've been very intrigued by them as I've seen a couple people mention them on here. I may have to look into one. Would PHT hock wraps be beneficial? |
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| I did go the injection route per the vet, but totally understand you not wanting to just yet.
I supplement with exceed 6 way and he'll be getting pht hock wraps as soon as the budget allows... |
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Location: IL | OhMax - 2014-04-29 9:40 PM I did go the injection route per the vet, but totally understand you not wanting to just yet. I supplement with exceed 6 way and he'll be getting pht hock wraps as soon as the budget allows...
Thanks for being understanding! :) I appreciate that. I know there are some out there who will flame me for not injecting right away. Like I said, I am not against injecting if I need to, I have seen the benefits & good results from it. I just like to check my other options too and until my vet tells me that it has to or should be done, I'm certainly not going to push for it. :)
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Location: Florida.. | TACKyPaints - 2014-04-29 10:45 PM OhMax - 2014-04-29 9:40 PM I did go the injection route per the vet, but totally understand you not wanting to just yet. I supplement with exceed 6 way and he'll be getting pht hock wraps as soon as the budget allows... Thanks for being understanding! : ) I appreciate that. I know there are some out there who will flame me for not injecting right away. Like I said, I am not against injecting if I need to, I have seen the benefits & good results from it. I just like to check my other options too and until my vet tells me that it has to or should be done, I'm certainly not going to push for it. : )
want to add.. Id watch horse closely.. if hocks are sore then it can lead to other soreness issues.. down the road ...so after some time Id consider injecting if not getting better..
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| If the hocks are sore I would request x rays 3 views of each, depending on the damage, I would make my decision.
If there is inflammation in the joint, and you do not get rid of inflammation fast, the joint will develop arthritis as a result of the inflammatory cells in the joint fluid and surrounding tissue.
By injecting the joint with trimethsinalone and HA this would reduce the inflammation and help rebuild the damaged cartilage. Personally I would only do this if there was no signs of arthritis.
If there was signs of arthritis, I don't inject I go straight to fusion.
Other things that help reduce inflammation, bute, banamine, Palesine (sp), glucosamine injectable, adequen, and legend injectable. |
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Location: NE Texas | If she's 16 years old, there is a good chance that her hocks are probably fused. Once the hock is fused, the lower joint should be pain free. I think alot of vets use hock injections as a placebo for owners, personally, or to mask a problem that is causing the soreness such as unlevel shoeing/trimming, unbalanced teeth, etc. Any hock that is experiencing bony changes in the fusion process will be considered to be osteoarthritis due to the cartilage breaking down and bone remodeling, but once the hock is fused, the pain in that part of the back leg should come to a stop.
I just refuse to invade the joint capsule unless absolutely necessary and I have exhausted every other avenue of treatment. There are too many risk factors involved when sticking a needle into the joint and introducing bacteria and other nasty stuff no matter how sterile the environment.
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Location: IL | Herbie - 2014-04-30 8:43 AM If she's 16 years old, there is a good chance that her hocks are probably fused. Once the hock is fused, the lower joint should be pain free. I think alot of vets use hock injections as a placebo for owners, personally, or to mask a problem that is causing the soreness such as unlevel shoeing/trimming, unbalanced teeth, etc. Any hock that is experiencing bony changes in the fusion process will be considered to be osteoarthritis due to the cartilage breaking down and bone remodeling, but once the hock is fused, the pain in that part of the back leg should come to a stop.
I just refuse to invade the joint capsule unless absolutely necessary and I have exhausted every other avenue of treatment. There are too many risk factors involved when sticking a needle into the joint and introducing bacteria and other nasty stuff no matter how sterile the environment.
I agree with you 100%. I am not against injections and do think they are beneficial when used properly. But I'd rather not use them as my first option due to invading the joint. He said he isn't concerned with her fusing but said that she is going to be sore starting back into work because she has been compensating with the hind end due to the front end injury. He's not ready to inject her yet but we are keeping an eye on her and if he decides that is the best option, we will do so.
I'm interested in ways to keep her comfortable until she realizes her front end doesn't hurt anymore and she starts to get back into shape. My vet did recommend using 1g of bute if she seems more sore than normal after a work out and horse aspirin for managing her if she's just a little sore. She's not lame just seems more stuff and cautious of really using herself under saddle. Out in the paddock, she tears around like a fire breathing dragon! Lol |
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Location: IL | Bibliafarm - 2014-04-29 9:55 PM
TACKyPaints - 2014-04-29 10:45 PM OhMax - 2014-04-29 9:40 PM I did go the injection route per the vet, but totally understand you not wanting to just yet. I supplement with exceed 6 way and he'll be getting pht hock wraps as soon as the budget allows... Thanks for being understanding! : ) I appreciate that. I know there are some out there who will flame me for not injecting right away. Like I said, I am not against injecting if I need to, I have seen the benefits & good results from it. I just like to check my other options too and until my vet tells me that it has to or should be done, I'm certainly not going to push for it. : )
want to add.. Id watch horse closely.. if hocks are sore then it can lead to other soreness issues.. down the road ...so after some time Id consider injecting if not getting better..
I'll ask my vet about the Adequan and see what he says. We are definitely keeping a close eye on her and if she doesn't start to improve, injections are probably the way to go.
Yes, he said the soreness in her hocks is definitely due to her compensating for the front end and he doesn't believe its an issue in itself such as fusing. If she doesn't get better though he said we'd do radiographs and then see about injections.
When you say hock wraps, do you mean BOT or PHT? |
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