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Location: Arizona | I just read/watched the video of a concerned father getting arrested at a school board meeting for "being disruptive." I was wondering what grounds do they legally have to arrest this man? I would have been furious over "adult" reading material being assigned to my 14 year old child too. I just don't understand how they could possibly arrest him for what he did. He wasn't violent or overly boisterous.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/06/watch-what-happens-when-...
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  That's White "Man" to You
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| It's alarming that people are punished and silenced for voicing their beliefs. This ^ is just the beginning. Be careful of what you give up, because you will never get it back. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | This is the new Amerika. There was also a mom in Cali who had a restraining order served on her by the school because her child was passing out "opt-out" forms to other students for them to take home to their parents. The forms were for opting out of the new Common Core aligned standardized field tests, which were being pilot tested in schools across the country this spring. Another family was told by police they were trespassing when they showed up for a meeting with the principal (scheduled by the principal) to discuss their children opting out of testing. Apparently, they and their children would only be allowed to be on campus if the kids participated in the testing. Things are already out of control. |
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Location: That part of Texas | It's one thing to show up at a school board meeting and voice your concerns -- kinda like the guy in the gray shirt did -- and then there's showing up with a camera crew, bouncers of sorts and disobeying a law officer who asks you to get up from your seat after your making remarks out of turn.
Looks to me this guy wanted a fight that he could film and the school board gave him everything he wanted, including a trip down to the P.D. complete with police escort out of the meeting area. Since he remarks about going over the 2 minute mark, I think it's safe to assume that he's already voiced his opinion on the matter once. Anything after that is just egging the situation on.
All the board could pretty much do at that point was apologize and make assurances that it won't happen in the future. I'm not sure what this guy was wanting to happen other than what did so he could become a martyr for "voicing his opinion" because if he didn't, the issue was pretty moot at that point. Don't get me wrong -- I believe in his right to be angry and voice an opinion. It's just that he doesn't have carte blanche on how that's done.
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Location: Where I am happiest | Just yet another good reason amoung hundreds to home school. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Red Raider - 2014-05-06 2:16 PM It's one thing to show up at a school board meeting and voice your concerns -- kinda like the guy in the gray shirt did -- and then there's showing up with a camera crew, bouncers of sorts and disobeying a law officer who asks you to get up from your seat after your making remarks out of turn.
Looks to me this guy wanted a fight that he could film and the school board gave him everything he wanted, including a trip down to the P.D. complete with police escort out of the meeting area. Since he remarks about going over the 2 minute mark, I think it's safe to assume that he's already voiced his opinion on the matter once. Anything after that is just egging the situation on.
All the board could pretty much do at that point was apologize and make assurances that it won't happen in the future. I'm not sure what this guy was wanting to happen other than what did so he could become a martyr for "voicing his opinion" because if he didn't, the issue was pretty moot at that point. Don't get me wrong -- I believe in his right to be angry and voice an opinion. It's just that he doesn't have carte blanche on how that's done.
I respectfully disagree. Is there a law against "disobeying an officer" to this extent? I mean, what was he charged with? Misbehaving? The people surrounding him didn't look frightened or harrassed...he didn't threaten anyone...he was upset & rightly so.
I think we should go back to good old fashioned fist fights! Ha!
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Location: west of East Texas | I agree with the arrest. I also agree with his opinion, but he went about it the wrong way. In my job, I have to attend a public meeting every other week. 'Dad' did not get on the agenda. Dad was speaking in the Public Forum. These agendas usually have to be posted 72 hours in advance in the interest of Open Meetings Acts in various locales. He was speaking in the Public Forum section and there has to be a time limit or people like him would take over and not let the others speak. Every one has the right to voice their opinion and I'm sure he did in his two minutes. He should have done his homework and requested to be put on the agenda where there is not a time limit and allows for discussion from the board.
I've sat in these kinds of meetings where I wondered if I would get caught in the physical crossfire. I've sat in these meetings where the chairman lost control of the Public Forum and law enforcement had to be called. We have had a gun pulled at one meeting. I don't blame the school for having him arrested before it got ugly.
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Location: Midwest Farmer's Daughter: Central Illinois | chasendacash - 2014-05-06 4:26 PM I agree with the arrest. I also agree with his opinion, but he went about it the wrong way. In my job, I have to attend a public meeting every other week. 'Dad' did not get on the agenda. Dad was speaking in the Public Forum. These agendas usually have to be posted 72 hours in advance in the interest of Open Meetings Acts in various locales. He was speaking in the Public Forum section and there has to be a time limit or people like him would take over and not let the others speak. Every one has the right to voice their opinion and I'm sure he did in his two minutes. He should have done his homework and requested to be put on the agenda where there is not a time limit and allows for discussion from the board.
I've sat in these kinds of meetings where I wondered if I would get caught in the physical crossfire. I've sat in these meetings where the chairman lost control of the Public Forum and law enforcement had to be called. We have had a gun pulled at one meeting. I don't blame the school for having him arrested before it got ugly.
This is all true. There's always a 'but'...
Anyone who has worked in sales can vouch for 'finding the need within the need", or in this case, "finding the problem within the problem". The problem is that a book with (potential, depending on the ages of the teens in the book) graphic pornography involving minors was distributed to underage students as a reading assignment. That's distribution of child pornography (again, depending on the age of the teens in the book) & supplying pornography to a minor. The first is most definitely illegal & the second is illegal in some states. The school district & teacher should be held accountable in a court of law.
The NEXT problem is that instead of focusing on that, they instead stifled the person who was complaining. Unfortunately he went about his complaining in the wrong way, which could be argued against with Freedom of Speech & protecting a minor, etc. but again, we must follow the rules now, shan't we?
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| Unfortunatly these types of meetings are set up to meet a minimum standard of parental involvment. You must be on the agenda to participate. But what happens if the issue isn't apparant prior to the 7 day cutoff before the meeting? Should the parent have to wait 37 days to discuss the matter at the next scheduled meeting or should we just make them condense summarize this type of problem into a 2 minute overview.
All curriculum should have been reviewed and approved by the board. If the board approved this they should be held accountable. The board are the ones that should have been arrested. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure it is still a crime even if it was accidental.
This story isn't going to end well for that school district.
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Location: Arizona | Whiteboy - 2014-05-06 5:02 PM
Unfortunatly these types of meetings are set up to meet a minimum standard of parental involvment. You must be on the agenda to participate. But what happens if the issue isn't apparant prior to the 7 day cutoff before the meeting? Should the parent have to wait 37 days to discuss the matter at the next scheduled meeting or should we just make them condense summarize this type of problem into a 2 minute overview.Â
All curriculum should have been reviewed and approved by the board. If the board approved this they should be held accountable.  The board are the ones that should have been arrested.  I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure it is still a crime even if it was accidental.Â
This story isn't going to end well for that school district.
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They have been using this book as a reading assignment for several years. Normally they send out a notice to parents which allow the student to "opt out" of reading the book if they feel it is inappropriate. They just happened to "forget" this year.
I don't understand why they would need to read this book anyway...I never read anything like that even in high school. What happened to Huckleberry Fin? The Bridge of San Luis Rey? Real literature worth reading. Not some book about a school shooting that also happens to have graphic sexual scenes in it.
You all make valid points, they both could have handled it better. I say the school has made the greater offense but the father could have been more tactful. In my opinion he should not have been arrested though. The school should have been accountable for distributing what is essentially porn to minors however. |
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| http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/05/06/new-hampshire-school-defends-sexually-graphic-novel/?intcmp=latestnews If this is in fact acceptable material for school children, then America is much worse than I ever imagined. |
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Location: North Texas | Red Raider - 2014-05-06 3:16 PM It's one thing to show up at a school board meeting and voice your concerns -- kinda like the guy in the gray shirt did -- and then there's showing up with a camera crew, bouncers of sorts and disobeying a law officer who asks you to get up from your seat after your making remarks out of turn.
Looks to me this guy wanted a fight that he could film and the school board gave him everything he wanted, including a trip down to the P.D. complete with police escort out of the meeting area. Since he remarks about going over the 2 minute mark, I think it's safe to assume that he's already voiced his opinion on the matter once. Anything after that is just egging the situation on.
All the board could pretty much do at that point was apologize and make assurances that it won't happen in the future. I'm not sure what this guy was wanting to happen other than what did so he could become a martyr for "voicing his opinion" because if he didn't, the issue was pretty moot at that point. Don't get me wrong -- I believe in his right to be angry and voice an opinion. It's just that he doesn't have carte blanche on how that's done.
I agree, this event could have been staged. However, there is the idea that perhaps this concerned parent had the entourage with him in case something like this happened.
And when I first read this thread w/o viewing the video or reading the article, I anticipated the charge to be 'Disorderly Conduct' and sure enough it was! This charge is fast becoming the 'catch all' for anyone and everyone who does not conform to what Others in Power agree to be 'Orderly Conduct'. I did not view in the video anything that I would have construed as 'Disorderly Conduct'. I believe this Parent has a Valid Point of Contention with this School Board. And furthermore, I would believe that this School Board may well in legal hotwater. |
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I wonder if this man thinks about the example he set for his child? Was he really taking a stand? Does he let his children watch televison, go to R rated movies, does he cuss or drink in front of them? I read what I wanted when I wanted. Read Scruples in junior high school, talk about an eye opener. I still read, but can't say I like books that are raunchy. I do think that a parent should have some control over what is being presented to a child in classroom. I think it is MORE IMPORTANT to build such a good foundation at home that what is presented doesn't matter. So, even though I'm not a fan of public education, I'm siding with the school board on this one. |
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The following is what The School Board has to say:
“The School District policies IGE, IJ, IJA, KEC (available on the school district website) refer to the procedures for the use of novels containing controversial material. The district will take immediate action to revise these policies to include notification that requires parents to accept controversial materials rather than to opt out. Furthermore, the notification will detail more specifically the controversial material.”
Note highlighted text.
Just who the hell is in charge here?! The School Board or The Parents? Who funds The School Board?
Later excerpt from article:
Baer told EAGNews.org that he believes the incident is proof that public schools are trying to indoctrinate children with moral relativism.
“Many people in education and government truly believe our children are theirs,” he told the group. “These school incidents are a byproduct of this ‘we know best’ philosophy.”
I agree with Mr. Baer's Point of View in regards to this!
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Location: North Texas | kmcsunshine - 2014-05-06 9:24 PM My 2 cents......
I wonder if this man thinks about the example he set for his child? Was he really taking a stand? Does he let his children watch televison, go to R rated movies, does he cuss or drink in front of them? I read what I wanted when I wanted. Read Scruples in junior high school, talk about an eye opener. I still read, but can't say I like books that are raunchy. I do think that a parent should have some control over what is being presented to a child in classroom. I think it is MORE IMPORTANT to build such a good foundation at home that what is presented doesn't matter. So, even though I'm not a fan of public education, I'm siding with the school board on this one.
KM, I understand and agree with Your Arguement. However, there is a 'But' in this.
Read my post previous to yours in regards to The School Board's Policy (highlighted in yellow) and then please give Me/Us Your thoughts then.
And Yes, I am fully aware that Your Children were/are Home Schooled. It is scenario(s) and mindset(s) like this School Board's that drive Folks to Home School!
And why My Boys are in a Top Rated/Tiered Charte School in Texas. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | The surprising part to me is that he was allowed to speak at all. Welcome to Amerika. |
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Location: North Texas | CanCan - 2014-05-06 9:45 PM The surprising part to me is that he was allowed to speak at all. Welcome to Amerika.
CanCan, please correct if I am wrong, but I believe You are or have been a School Teacher. Now with that being said, what is Your opinion on this event? |
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