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Rolling J
Reg. Mar 2009
Posted 2014-05-13 9:18 PM
Subject: OT- Young kids and tackle football....



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I feel very a lone tonight on a decision I don't feel welling to change my mind on. My 8, almost 9, year old son wants to play Biddy football in the worst way. His father is in full support of him doing so but I have put my foot down and said I will not support it in any way. I have talked to our peds doctor about it and she strongly advised against playing contact at his age and most of what I read says not before the age 14. We have a nice flag football league near by and from what I have heard, they teach the fundamentals very well. I do not have any issues with him playing flag. Although very athletic and in good shape, he is on the tiny side and this just adds to my concerns, in addition to all the new information on concussions.

My husband can not have him play without me supporting and helping (running to practices and games...) and my son is SO MAD at me. I realize that is part of being a parent but I feel so a lone, as I feel I am battling both my husband and son. Adding to it all, my son is very active already playing baseball (spring, summer & fall) and basketball. He loves to hunt with is dad and he rides some with me. So his dad does not understand why I am so against tackle football. I know every one of those activities have their own risk factors but I just feel I am putting my kid out there to be hit over and over again by others twice is size and weight.

So am I being over protective or do I need to stand my ground on this one?



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Horseless1
Reg. Oct 2006
Posted 2014-05-13 9:38 PM
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I think you are making the right decision. My young son wanted to play and I decided not to let my overprotectiveness get in the way of him doing what he really to do. I couldnt even watch practice and minutes into his first game he was knocked unconscious. Many many tests later he is okay but no more football for him. Trust your instinct.
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Barnmom
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2014-05-13 9:44 PM
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My son plays tackle football and has since he was 9, I don't see a problem with it if he is properly coached.  My husband played 4 years of college ball and was a HS football coach and we both agree that our kids will only play tackle football before Jr. High if my husband is on the coaching staff.  So many of the coaches around here really know nothing about proper form or safety and the equipment they give to the kids is often not maintained well or at all. 

I would keep an open mind and just see how the practices are run and for sure buy your own helmet if you decide to give it a try.  I would much rather my son learn to hit and take a hit at this age rather than throwing him to the wolves when he gets to HS.


 
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slowrunnin
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2014-05-13 9:56 PM
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I think I would feel the same way you do....
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Barnmom
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2014-05-13 10:10 PM
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Horseless1 - 2014-05-13 9:38 PM I think you are making the right decision. My young son wanted to play and I decided not to let my overprotectiveness get in the way of him doing what he really to do. I couldnt even watch practice and minutes into his first game he was knocked unconscious. Many many tests later he is okay but no more football for him. Trust your instinct.

I would bet the helmet your son was wearing had not been reconditioned every other year.  The padding in the helmets does not hold up to heat and sweat year after year.  Most helmets are stored in non climate controlled buildings and the padding will break down and be pretty much useless in two or three years even though the helmet and the padding looks OK.  You would be suprised how many HS programs are not taking proper care of the safety equipment, so I know the pee wee leagues probably don't either.
 
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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2014-05-13 10:39 PM
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I don't think you can be criticised for your decision.  You have your reasons, and as a parent, that's your right.  Here's my opinion, for what it's worth.  For some sports, getting an early start is important.  I don't think that applies as much to football.  If he has a fire in his belly to play football when he's 14, then he can become a good football player and will catch on to the fundamentals of the "contact" aspects of the game very quickly.  Running with the ball, catching passes, and blocking are all part of flag football.  I can actually imagine that some aspects of the fundamentals might be better learned without him wearing a helmet and pads.  Many kids learn incorrect tackling early on and they learn to use their helmets as a "weapon".....I know I did.  
In flag football, you have to learn to square up while blocking and that is an important fundamental.  He might be a bit behind, but I think if he is "hungry" to play, he will get caught up real quick once he's allowed to put on the pads and experience contact.  If he is a running back type, he can still learn a lot about open field running, and he surely can learn a lot about running routes, developing good hands, and catching passes.  Basically, what I am saying is this could end up being a good thing for him.  It's not the end of the world....you are just worried about head and neck injuries at a young age.  
If this was hockey or baseball, I would say he would definitely be at a big disadvantage.  Up here, if you haven't started playing hockey by the age of 5-6, or younger, you are at a distinct disadvantage.  Similarly, if a kid couldn't play baseball until he's 14, he may as well forget it.  
Now, if it were me, I would allow him to play, but that's just me.  When I played in HS I was lucky I got away with some poor fundamentals and used my head and helmet as a battering ram.  I broke a couple helmets, in fact, and had my bell rung several times.  The worst ding I ever took was playing touch football, though, when I collided head-to-head with someone by accident.  Even touch football or flag football carries some risk.
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Morab76
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-05-13 10:50 PM
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Your child, your choice.  I know it was highly sensationalized, but after watching a season of Friday Night Tykes, I could not believe what so many parents are allowing their young children to go through.  Proper equipment that is well cared fo does not protect from all concussions, and we are learning that repeated head injuries   (even minor ones) cause irreparable damage that is not seen for decades.

I think it is great your husband is not going behind your back and enrolling your son in tackle.  Flag will still build on him learning the fundamentals of the game and conditioning without as significant a isk fo head injury.  Your son will be angry, but you need to make the decision that is best for him and his future.  Hang in thee, and many hugs to you!

 
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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2014-05-13 10:57 PM
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Morab76 - 2014-05-13 10:50 PM Your child, your choice.  I know it was highly sensationalized, but after watching a season of Friday Night Tykes, I could not believe what so many parents are allowing their young children to go through.  Proper equipment that is well cared fo does not protect from all concussions, and we are learning that repeated head injuries   (even minor ones) cause irreparable damage that is not seen for decades.



I think it is great your husband is not going behind your back and enrolling your son in tackle.  Flag will still build on him learning the fundamentals of the game and conditioning without as significant a isk fo head injury.  Your son will be angry, but you need to make the decision that is best for him and his future.  Hang in thee, and many hugs to you!


 

I have never seen that show, but I think what you describe here is seen a lot in all sports.....baseball, hockey, football, even barrel racing.  I think a lot of parents live vicariously through their kids.  I coached youth football and I have coached baseball at all levels, including college.  Some of these parents need a muzzle.  It's definitely an interesting phenomenon.  Frustrated ex-athletes as parents are usually the worst.
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Morab76
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-05-13 11:04 PM
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Couldn't agree with you more, Hotbear.  The show was an eye-opener for me, especially with the coaches' behavior.
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Rolling J
Reg. Mar 2009
Posted 2014-05-14 7:21 AM
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Thanks everyone for the responses.... I truely appreciate hearing both sides....
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GLP
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2014-05-14 7:41 AM
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My son played one year of peewee football. And then didn't play organized football untill 7th grade. His senior year he did so well at safety, half way through the season the other teams wouldn't throw to his side. He won many awards one of them being all south Texas 2A safety. He was only 5'5" and weighed maybe 130. This kid was fierce on the field. Older men would tell us one of the reasons they came to the games was to watch him. So please stick to your guns on this one. It's not going to effect his play in H.S. I will say that in 7th grade he was the quarterback and someoms thought I should be worried since was so small but really those little heavy linemen would just fall on him, they weren't at the skill level to hit hard. He fidn't didn't get hurt there. He got hurt playing on the j.v.squad against the varsity.
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bocephus's mama
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2014-05-14 7:42 AM
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My husband also played in college and he REFUSES to let our boys play until it actually starts in school. Not only could they get hurt but coaches (not all, but most) are idiots and get too into the situation during a game and will teach how to tackle incorrectly setting them up for MORE injuries and at the very least, bad habits.  
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CrossDRanch
Reg. Nov 2012
Posted 2014-05-14 8:34 AM
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First...if you base you decisions about HS football off of FNL, that is like basing barrel racing off of that barrel racing show so many of you talked bad about.

Second...I coach HS football and I am going to try to keep my son from playing until at least 6th grade. But not because of worry over injury. It has more to do with poor coaching and all the other negative things you here about youth sports. Like was mentioned above, whether people want to admit it or not, football is not a skill sport like hockey, baseball, etc. You can take a kid that has never played football until the 9th grade and he be a great football player. The same can not be said about those other sports.
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Herbie
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-05-14 8:58 AM
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I'm an advocate for the flag football and 7 on 7 programs for all kids.  We live in a community that has only offered tackle football for the kids for years and it shows in the middle and high school programs BIG TIME!!!  Children under a certain age are not mature enough to understand that tackle football hurts, so what happens is we put these kids in the tackle football program, they get hit hard one time and it hurts bad, and they quit.  Then what we have is a smaller group of kids trying out for the football teams because they were exposed to early, experienced the pain when they weren't ready, and said no thanks.  Alot of good athletes are lost early due to this and your high school program suffers due to the lack of athletes coming out. 

Secondly, tackle football programs hold kids back from developing into skill players.  There are some kids who are pudgy and BIG as youngsters that grow up to be big, lean, strong young men.  In a tackle football program, these bigger, pudgier kids are going to be put on the line rather than given the shot to play a skill position.  Then when they grow and are now athletic teenagers, their skills haven't been developed as they should have been because they were considered linemen. 

Lastly, most youth tackle football teams primarily run the ball.  You've got one or two really fast kids and the QB hands off to one of them and those are the only kids that get most of the action....it's dive right or dive left.  There is very little passing or catching, which are the two most difficult skills to develop as a football player.   In a flag program, this is the basis......developing SKILL players no matter their size or shape as children.  The objective of flag football is to teach these kids the basics of the game....the route tree, passing and catching, as well as running the ball.  In flag a larger kid can play QB or running back or any other position on the field because he isn't limited by his size.  The flag program is a confidence building program and will allow many more kids to come into the middle and high school ranks with the skills needed to benefit the middle and high school programs....players are developed, not born.  What the coaches will have is 15 kids that are potential quarterbacks, rather than 2 maybe 3, because these kids have been throwing and catching since they were young rather than just handing the ball off to the fastest kid on the team....it's not something new to them.

Take into account the best programs in the state of Texas and look at what their youth are doing.  South Lake Carroll.....they are State Flag Football champs or contenders every year at the State tournament.  Same with Stephenville, Aledo, San Angelo.  You see kids out there that are able to throw and catch like high schoolers as 9 and 10 YO's.  All of these schools have flag programs that fill their schools with SKILL players that can be used in any position on the field, and instead of having a varsity and JV team, they have a varsity, junior varsity, A team, B team, and C team.  The number of kids funneled into the middle and high school programs triples when they aren't eliminated as youngsters due to fear.  The tackling will come, and now as middle schoolers, they are mature enough to understand and deal with the pain. 

That's my 2 cents, and I have personally seen the value in the flag program first hand.  It's pretty amazing to see a kid that is oversized and a little on the tubby side develop into a 6'5" stud quarterback just because he wasn't made to stand on the line or be a blocker....

 

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Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-05-14 9:09 AM
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Herbie - 2014-05-14 8:58 AM I'm an advocate for the flag football and 7 on 7 programs for all kids.  We live in a community that has only offered tackle football for the kids for years and it shows in the middle and high school programs BIG TIME!!!  Children under a certain age are not mature enough to understand that tackle football hurts, so what happens is we put these kids in the tackle football program, they get hit hard one time and it hurts bad, and they quit.  Then what we have is a smaller group of kids trying out for the football teams because they were exposed to early, experienced the pain when they weren't ready, and said no thanks.  Alot of good athletes are lost early due to this and your high school program suffers due to the lack of athletes coming out. 



Secondly, tackle football programs hold kids back from being skill players.  There are some kids who are pudgy and BIG as youngsters that grow up to be big, lean, strong young men.  In a tackle football program, these bigger, pudgier kids are going to be put on the line rather than given the shot to play a skill position.  Then when they grow and are now athletic teenagers, their skills haven't been developed as they should have been because they were considered linemen. 



Lastly, most youth tackle football teams primarily run the ball.  You've got one or two really fast kids and the QB hands off to one of them and those are the only kids that get much action.  There is very little passing or catching, which are the two most difficult skills to develop as a football player.   In a flag program, this is the basis......developing SKILL players no matter their size or shape as children.  The objective of flag football is to teach these kids the basics of the game....the route tree, passing and catching, as well as running the ball.  In flag a larger kid can play QB or running back or any other position on the field because he isn't limited by his size.  The flag program is a confidence building program and will allow many more kids to come into the middle and high school ranks with the skills needed.  What the coaches will have is 15 kids that are potential quarterbacks, rather than 2 maybe 3, because these kids have been throwing and catching since they were young rather than just handing the ball off to the fastest kid on the team....it's not something new to them.



Take into account the best programs in the state of Texas and look at what their youth are doing.  South Lake Carroll.....they are State Flag Football champs or contenders every year at the State tournament.  Same with Stephenville, Aledo, San Angelo.  You see kids out there that are able to throw and catch like high schoolers as 9 and 10 YO's.  All of these schools have flag programs that fill their schools with SKILL players that can be used in any position on the field, and instead of having a varsity and JV team, they have a varsity, junior varsity, A team, B team, and C team.  The number of kids triples when they aren't eliminated as youngsters due to fear.  The tackling will come, and now as middle schoolers, they are mature enough to understand and deal with the pain. 



That's my 2 cents, and I have personally seen the value in the flag program first hand.  It's pretty amazing to see a kid that is oversized and a little on the tubby side develop into a 6'5" stud quarterback just because he wasn't made to stand on the line or be a blocker....


 

 
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Rolling J
Reg. Mar 2009
Posted 2014-05-14 11:14 AM
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He devoloping into a very good little baseball player, I just wish he would focus on that right now.

Even as much as he LOVES sports, I think he is even more in love with being with his firends. He keeps telling me "they all want me to play."
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Reg. Feb 2011
Posted 2014-05-14 11:21 AM
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i would not have a problem with letting him play......but i am also a parent that pays attention to everything that is going on as well.... 
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angelica
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2014-05-14 11:36 AM
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My son started playing tackle when he was around your sons age. When he was 9 he weighed about 85 pounds or more, hes 13 now and weighs about 170 and is 5'8" . I think it would be ok for your son to play flag to learn the basics, its actually fun and they can't hurt each other unless they run into something or someone. My youngest son is smaller than my oldest was so I put him to run track and play soccer.
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azsun
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2014-05-14 11:40 AM
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Charles Youvella, the young man who lost his life last year playing high school football in Arizona is the child and nephew of high school classmates of mine and my husbands. His father is the Athletic Director at the school he went to, thus this young man had access to the best equipment … If you were responsible for purchasing equipment and your kid was on the team … wouldn't you make sure they had the best? He DIED after sustaining a hit on the field. One minute we were getting text messages about how the game was progressing and then one that said he got hit on the field and he was going to the hospital as a precaution. (He got up after getting hit to continue to play and fell walking to the sidelines). The next text we got was that he was on life support and if he didn't show improvement they were going to have to make a decision to take him off life support. This occurred over a matter of a few hours. I cannot imagine what the family was going through as it was tough enough for us to watch as long time family friends. I also cannot imagine what the boys from the opposing team went through who hit him.

My son just finished the Larry Fitzgerald Football Camp and there were physicians from Banner Hospitals that put on a seminar for the parents. The doctors STRONGLY encourage parents to WAIT until your child is older to allow them to play tackle (or any contact sport). In addition to the brain not belong fully developed, the neck muscles supporting the head usually aren't strong enough to support the head if a kid falls, thus increasing the chances of the head hitting the ground (add the weight of a helmet to that). Banner Hospitals also has a clinic devoted to concussions and here in Arizona offer baseline testing so that you can know where your child is before anything happens. We will do that. However, my husband and I firmly agree that our son will not play tackle until he has learned the fundamentals of passing, receiving, rushing, etc in flag football first. There is plenty of time to learn about tackling later (that's the easy part … kinda like running back to the alley or gate after turning the 3rd barrel). I wouldn't put my child on a 1D barrel horse before they've learned how to ride a horse properly. Same goes for football.

It may be no consolation to the OP … but as a mom, I support your decision.
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Herbie
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-05-14 11:46 AM
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azsun - 2014-05-14 11:40 AM Charles Youvella, the young man who lost his life last year playing high school football in Arizona is the child and nephew of high school classmates of mine and my husbands. His father is the Athletic Director at the school he went to, thus this young man had access to the best equipment … If you were responsible for purchasing equipment and your kid was on the team … wouldn't you make sure they had the best? He DIED after sustaining a hit on the field. One minute we were getting text messages about how the game was progressing and then one that said he got hit on the field and he was going to the hospital as a precaution. (He got up after getting hit to continue to play and fell walking to the sidelines). The next text we got was that he was on life support and if he didn't show improvement they were going to have to make a decision to take him off life support. This occurred over a matter of a few hours. I cannot imagine what the family was going through as it was tough enough for us to watch as long time family friends. I also cannot imagine what the boys from the opposing team went through who hit him. My son just finished the Larry Fitzgerald Football Camp and there were physicians from Banner Hospitals that put on a seminar for the parents. The doctors STRONGLY encourage parents to WAIT until your child is older to allow them to play tackle (or any contact sport). In addition to the brain not belong fully developed, the neck muscles supporting the head usually aren't strong enough to support the head if a kid falls, thus increasing the chances of the head hitting the ground (add the weight of a helmet to that). Banner Hospitals also has a clinic devoted to concussions and here in Arizona offer baseline testing so that you can know where your child is before anything happens. We will do that. However, my husband and I firmly agree that our son will not play tackle until he has learned the fundamentals of passing, receiving, rushing, etc in flag football first. There is plenty of time to learn about tackling later (that's the easy part … kinda like running back to the alley or gate after turning the 3rd barrel). I wouldn't put my child on a 1D barrel horse before they've learned how to ride a horse properly. Same goes for football. It may be no consolation to the OP … but as a mom, I support your decision.

 
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