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Veteran
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Location: Okla | Now I know there are some people that will disagree with this and I will be the first to agree color has no basis to horses preformance abilities--but for some unknown reason to me and I sincerely hope I learn the why to this before I die--why do grays,palominos,bays and sorrels do better in the rodeo events than paints,pintos ect? We all know most paints are just colored quarter horses::but...... somebody please clue me in to this, it's been bugging me for years and I see it happen over and over. Thank you |
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 Proud to be Deplorable
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| old timey barrel rac - 2014-05-15 8:06 PM
Now I know there are some people that will disagree with this and I will be the first to agree color has no basis to horses preformance abilities--but for some unknown reason to me and I sincerely hope I learn the why to this before I die--why do grays,palominos,bays and sorrels do better in the rodeo events than paints,pintos ect? We all know most paints are just colored quarter horses::but...... somebody please clue me in to this, it's been bugging me for years and I see it happen over and over. Thank you
I have wondered the same thing. LOL |
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 Total Germophobe
Posts: 6443
Location: Montana | I would generally agree...I know of one paint that is an exception and it ran a 16.994 on a standard pattern. Do think it is possible that they run faster times because there are more sorrels, bays, palominos, and greys out there doing it? Please tell me it will be true for my little chestnut mare!  |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I think there just aren't a lot out there doing it. There's a girl I know that runs NBHA and only runs paints and she is ALWAYS at the top of the 1D if not winning. |
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  Sock eating dog owner
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | How many paints do you see at your local barrel race? Most of the barrel races I've been to, those painted ponies are making the others eat dust. At the NFR two red and white were in the top doing some team roping and calf roping. |
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | Because look at the Paints say 40 years ago. They were thick, coby heavy boned and were slow footed and traveled like they were peddling a bicycle. All Paints descend from these horses. Sure breeding has improved immensely and so have the horses. BUT, you cant erase the where's and who's they came from. |
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 Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | Often paints are bred for color....not strictly performance. JMO, and I know a lot of people love them.... they aren't as advanced as a breed as Quarter Horses. |
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 Toy Story Fanatic
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Location: Oregon | MS2011 - 2014-05-15 7:56 PM Often paints are bred for color....not strictly performance. JMO, and I know a lot of people love them.... they aren't as advanced as a breed as Quarter Horses.
Uh Paints are Quarter Horse or Thoroughbred. No other breed is acceptable. Judys Lineage is Paint.... Judys Lineage surpasses $4 million in offspring earnings
FORT WORTH, TEXAS—Judys Lineage has long been a sought after sire for Paint race and barrel horses, but he has now accomplished something no other sire in Paint racing history has accomplished surpassing the $4 million dollar mark in offspring earnings. Earlier this year, he surpassed $3 million offspring earnings along with another leading sire Texas Hero. But, when I Kick won the richest Paint race in history the G1 Graham Paint Futurity in May 2009 and then Cutrock won the RG1 Pot O’Gold on October 17 it pushed Judys Lineage to the very top of the lifetime leading sire’s list with a total of $4,041,229.
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The Advice Guru
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| More money and emphasis has been put into quarter horse, racing and the incentive programs, therefore more money and emphasis has been put into breeding of quarter horses.
There is a substantially more quarter horse to pain ratio, the numbers are in the quarter horses favor to do better. |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | ThreeCorners - 2014-05-15 9:55 PM Because look at the Paints say 40 years ago. They were thick, coby heavy boned and were slow footed and traveled like they were peddling a bicycle. All Paints descend from these horses. Sure breeding has improved immensely and so have the horses. BUT, you cant erase the where's and who's they came from.
that last statement is just pure ignorance...Paints ARE being bred to some of the finest Thoroughbred a QH's. and some of the offspring are flat kick-ass in barrels, especially down here in Texas. They are breeding for color AND performance. You just don't see a lot because they are a minority in sheer numbers, compared to QH's, but trust me..they are coming... |
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 Winner winner chicken dinner
Posts: 2047
Location: California | Our local girl who cleans house runs a paint...of course he is a solid paint so you would never know! |
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| The paint horse association .. APHA .. dotes on western pleasure and halter horses because those owners play golf and invited them to play at their country clubs ... The Paint Journal is dedicated to these two classes of horses.
The Racing and Speed Event horses get an internet magazine that is so far behind the horses have died before it is published ...
You could say Affirmative Action is big time at APHA ... all they can think of is ... only a colored horse can compete in this or this or that or that ... they shove the step children that are solid off into a corner and make them play by themselves instead of competing in the colored paint classes. By APHA records every year there are 37% solid bred paints born with no where to go play ...
ANOTHER ...New color rule that went in affect Jan 2013 ....
D. Registration Requirements for Stakes Race
To establish eligibility to participate in stakes races,
all APHA registered horses foaled on or after January
1, 2013, must meet the following requirements:
1. APHA Regular Registry Paint Horses must have
at least one APHA Regular Registry Paint Horse in
the first generation.
2. APHA Solid Paint-Bred Horses must have at
least one APHA Regular Registry Paint Horse in the
first generation AND must have at least one APHA
Regular Registry Paint Horse in the second generation.
ALSO HIDDEN IN THE RULE CHANGE: It is important to note
those who breed their cropout Regular Registry
Paint horse to a Quarter Horse or Thoroughbred
will be able to race their resulting foal in stakes races
only if the resulting foal qualifies for registration
in the Regular Registry.
This color rule pertains to all speed, racing and arena eventing classes .... now .. tell me who in their right minds would breed for paints when the association is downing 37% or more of their foal crop each year!!
LINK: RULE CHANGE ... read how happy they are ... it sounds like democrats telling everyone how great Obamacare is ... READ THE ENTIRE THING ....>>>
http://www.paintracing.com/pdfs/PHRFromTheChairman.pdf
APHA blames the paint horse breeders for not having more colored horses running at the track or arena events. BUT NOT ONE WORD on them allowing crop out quarter horses with one 2 inch spot to be regular registered paints and create more solid colored foals .. NEITHER DID YOU READ anything about kicking the crop outs out of APHA!!
In their chart of 20 stallions there is only one Overo and 3 Tobiano stallions ... all the rest are AQHA or crop-outs listed as Overo's (O) by their names ...
The fix is simple .. kick out the crop out quarter horses. Then change all the rules that any horse registered as APHA with or without color all compete in the same classes//events for the same monies and recognition.. Only one registered paint ....solid or colored... is needed for a foal registration or to enter any event listed in the APHA RULE BOOK ....
and if you want to really get aggressive ... bar breeding to qh or TB's for the next 20 years ... because that is how long it has taken the poor leadership (non horse owners) at APHA to wreck what was once a great and exciting association ....
I have been a life time member with both AQHA and APHA for over 30 years and I am very proud to say ... I do not own any APHA horses due to the constant rule changes and discrimination against solid bred paints.
These negative rule changes against paint horses by the association has brought the price of paints down lower than they have ever been ... take a look at the prices at Heritage Place and weep!! and these are the best bred paints available!!!
A paint breeder cannot continue the yearly losses on his solid colored paints when attacked by the association that is supposed to be promoting paints!!
Pull up the APHA RULE BOOK and read the nonsense that has been created by idiots that do not own any paint horses!!
Then they wonder why their paint shows and even the world shows only have 3-4 entries in each class ... what do they do ... increase the entry fees .... sound familiar and similar to the tax increases coming out of Washington DC???
What is a shame .. just like this rule change ... APHA is proud of downing the paint horse every chance they get ... we see the same bragging against tax payers on TV all the time ...
Be sure and read the entire link and pay attention to what is said on homozygous paints ... which is true...
http://www.paintracing.com/pdfs/PHRFromTheChairman.pdf
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2014-05-16 12:27 AM
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| Cause there aren't as many Paints entered.  |
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | I've seen a lot of paints in my lifetime......very few that I'd be proud to own.
There I said it.  |
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 Tough Patooty
Posts: 2615
Location: Sperry, OK | ThreeCorners - 2014-05-15 9:55 PM Because look at the Paints say 40 years ago. They were thick, coby heavy boned and were slow footed and traveled like they were peddling a bicycle. All Paints descend from these horses. Sure breeding has improved immensely and so have the horses. BUT, you cant erase the where's and who's they came from.
Weren't the first paints just accidents that came out colored from solid horses? Here is something else to think about.. how many of those solid horses running and winning are actually Paints. The horse in my avitar is SOLID black.. only white on him is his one dot (star) on his head and he is registered PAINT. |
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 Undercover Amish Mafia Member
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Location: Kansas | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-15 10:42 PM More money and emphasis has been put into quarter horse, racing and the incentive programs, therefore more money and emphasis has been put into breeding of quarter horses. There is a substantially more quarter horse to pain ratio, the numbers are in the quarter horses favor to do better.
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Location: NW. Florida | A lot of the bays, sorrels, grays are possibly registered paints. Not all paints are painted. |
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 Ima Fickle Fan
Posts: 3547
Location: Texas | Two reasons - Numbers game. I would guess that 90% of horses competing are Quarter Horse, so the odds aren't in favor of another breed winning.
Second - A lot of competitive Paint Horses are solid, so you never know they are a Paint. So for an obvious Paint to win, it has to beat out a LOT of solid horses to do it. |
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 Husband Spoiler
Posts: 4151
Location: North Dakota | You would be surprised how many are actually out there and winning since many are solid colored. I have a nice solid one that is the most beautifully built mare. I would take a whole herd built just like her! She is a powerhouse! She was always first out of the gates when she raced. She is just starting the pattern but I am super excited for her because she is a beast! When working her on the ground she is like a cutting horse....when you ask her to switch directions she gets super super low, pins her ears and turns back quick! I love that attitude! |
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 Roan Wonder
Location: SW MO | 2 reasons maybe 75% of the horses are sorrel or bay so the odds for them is just increased in number. Second is probably bloodlines. The most popular running bloodlines tend to throw mostly Sorrels & bays, today there are a lot of yellow horses because of the influnces of some popular bloodlines such as Sun Frost |
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