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| Ran my mare for the first time in around 5/6months. She is out of shape, but she runs HARD still.
She did not bleed out right away. Actually, she didn't bleed until we got home and she put her head down to eat some grass. It wasn't an enormous amount, but she still bled.
I was told to run her again and see if it happens or if it was a "fluke" thing, if she does then we would need to put her on something. BUT, my question is, how do we know she is not bleeding inside and this is just the first time its actually come out? Would the fact that she is out of shape have anything to do with this episode? She was also in raging heat. I'm new to this so any information would be helpful!!
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Location: Midwest | You need to have her scoped by a vet, and they will likely prescribe antibiotics.
I would see a vet that can scope her before running her again |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I would have a vet check her out and go from there. I can recommend a really great supplement that can help. I have customers that have gone completely off Lasix and some that use the very minimal dosage. It's called PulmonEZ and great for lung health. It's a top dress powder that you give daily. Most people notice a difference in a couple of weeks. It does have a money back guarantee. Good luck and there are alot of people on this board that have dealth with bleeders and can give you some advice. |
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Location: Texas | i would say the fact she is out of shape has a lot to do with it. I'm not saying once she is in shape it won't ever happen again, but I think it explains this time. I would treat her with Antibiotics and really really work on getting her in shape before you run her again. Once you feel confident she is in shape to run, I would run her and have a vet scope her ASAP. If she looks good then, I would say she just wasn't fit enough to run the first time. If she bleeds again, I would then treat her as if she is a bleeder. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | You can do one of two things, treat her for the bleed and get her some help, or just take your friends advice and run her again to see if she does it again, and slowly kill her......
Sorry that was really harsh, but it's the truth.
If she bled, you need to treat it now. Antibiotics and a vet check. Bleeding can absolutely kill your horse if you don't treat it.
She needs antibiotics and time off to recover, and a plan on how to bring her back to avoid it happening again. Definitely do not run her out of shape. Start with a vet you trust and go from there. |
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| What kind of antibiotics would a vet normally prescribe to treat with? |
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| Rustynailfl - 2014-05-19 7:19 PM
What kind of antibiotics would a vet normally prescribe to treat with?
That is a discussion you need to have with the vet who scopes your horse. Please don't try to treat your horse without a vet assessment and diagnosis. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-19 9:20 PM Rustynailfl - 2014-05-19 7:19 PM What kind of antibiotics would a vet normally prescribe to treat with? That is a discussion you need to have with the vet who scopes your horse. Please don't try to treat your horse without a vet assessment and diagnosis.
Ditto. Every single horse is different. You can't treat every horse with the same plan. |
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| missroselee - 2014-05-19 5:42 PM You can do one of two things, treat her for the bleed and get her some help, or just take your friends advice and run her again to see if she does it again, and slowly kill her......
Sorry that was really harsh, but it's the truth.
If she bled, you need to treat it now. Â Antibiotics and a vet check. Â Bleeding can absolutely kill your horse if you don't treat it.
She needs antibiotics and time off to recover, and a plan on how to bring her back to avoid it happening again. Â Definitely do not run her out of shape. Â Start with a vet you trust and go from there.Â
This is why I ASK questions. I swear im not a complete idiot. lol
Edited by Rustynailfl 2014-05-20 7:52 AM
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| missroselee - 2014-05-19 9:47 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-19 9:20 PM Rustynailfl - 2014-05-19 7:19 PM What kind of antibiotics would a vet normally prescribe to treat with? That is a discussion you need to have with the vet who scopes your horse. Please don't try to treat your horse without a vet assessment and diagnosis.
First of all I wouldn't.. It was a question, I like to get as much info as I can especially with something I don't know much about. This is the first horse I have ever had bleed on me. & when someone said treat with antibiotics, the question arose in my mind as to what they normally treat with. But thanks for the input!
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| Just spoke with my vet, he actually doesn't want to start her on an antibiotic.......I am getting a second opinion, waiting on the call back from her. Thanks for the help all!  |
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| Rustynailfl - 2014-05-20 7:38 AM
missroselee - 2014-05-19 9:47 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-19 9:20 PM Rustynailfl - 2014-05-19 7:19 PM What kind of antibiotics would a vet normally prescribe to treat with? That is a discussion you need to have with the vet who scopes your horse. Please don't try to treat your horse without a vet assessment and diagnosis.
First of all I wouldn't.. It was a question, I like to get as much info as I can especially with something I don't know much about. This is the first horse I have ever had bleed on me. & when someone said treat with antibiotics, the question arose in my mind as to what they normally treat with. But thanks for the input!
Generally they would start with a broad spectrum antibiotic, the best thing is before you start an antibiotic, have her scoped, have them collect a sample, culture it. A culture can take 3-14 days, but will give the vet a definite organism growing, if they do a sensitivity, it will tell the vet what antibiotics will kill the organism.
Your vet may not be off base especially if he has not seen the horse, my vet won't prescribe anything until he assesses the horse. Your vet may be one that would scope, culture, then prescribe. Most vets will put the horse on a broad spectrum antibiotic and change the antibiotic when the culture comes back if needed. I would suggest getting an antibiotic for 14 days, I have better luck with my own horses (all respiratory infections) if I do the 14 days versus 7 days.
While you are waiting for a second opinion, I would take vital signs, temp, heart rate, and respirations.
If you want a definite diagnosis, take your horse to the vet, if he has the arena, sprint the horse, then have him scoped, as this is the best way to see if a horse is bleeding. If the vet doesn't have an arena, I would find the closest arena sprint, then go directly to the vet and scope.
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| Forgot to ask was it a trickle, was it in one nostril?
If it was a trace amount, it may not be a bleeder, could be guttural pouch.
If it was both nostril probably a bleeder
If it was one nostril, and bright red blood, might even be a burst blood vessel in the nostril.
My suggestion have a qualified vet diagnose |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-05-20 9:17 AM
Forgot to ask was it a trickle, was it in one nostril?
If it was a trace amount, it may not be a bleeder, could be guttural pouch.
If it was both nostril probably a bleeder
If it was one nostril, and bright red blood, might even be a burst blood vessel in the nostril.
My suggestion have a qualified vet diagnose
It was a very light trickle from one nostril, and it didn't come out until a few hours after running when we got home and she put her head down to eat grass...or possibly we just didn't notice it earlier but I hope I would have noticed that. It was bright red blood..
Definitely waiting to hear back from the other vet and will have her looked at most likely by the first vet first because he has seen her many times. He also mentioned that with the dust lately that could have been a factor also..? But I have read that if a horse starts off very strong (1st and 2nd) and ends weak (3rd and running home) that it is a sign...thoughts on that? Then again, she is still not in tip top shape either. Seems to be so many factors at play right now  |
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Location: Illinois | My horse bled from one nostril for the first time last weekend and I called my vet right away and he said to run a second time to make sure it's not a fluke as well. I've gotten opinions from two other gets who agreed, based on the amount of blood coming out. He bled maybe a teaspoon of thick blood out his left nostril. He's a very mild roarer and also I started using flair strips on him and he's running harder after just havin his hocks injected so it could have been the combination of just running harder with the increased airflow due to the flair strip. They recommended to give him 2-3 days off and just monitor him rather than start antibiotics. They can be bleeders and never have blood come out of a nostril so scoping is the only way to know for sure. If he bleeds a second time I will have him scoped. I will most likely start running him on lasix since it's very inexpensive just to be safe. He has gate issues, but I'm not sure of stems from the bleeding because he does get ulcers and ran for a few months with sore hocks so I'm thinking that after only 2 runs he's still having to realize that pain is gone |
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Location: The edge of no where | Rustynailfl - 2014-05-20 7:36 AM missroselee - 2014-05-19 5:42 PM You can do one of two things, treat her for the bleed and get her some help, or just take your friends advice and run her again to see if she does it again, and slowly kill her......
Sorry that was really harsh, but it's the truth.
If she bled, you need to treat it now. Antibiotics and a vet check. Bleeding can absolutely kill your horse if you don't treat it.
She needs antibiotics and time off to recover, and a plan on how to bring her back to avoid it happening again. Definitely do not run her out of shape. Start with a vet you trust and go from there. This is why I ASK questions. I swear im not a complete idiot. lol
Not saying you're an idiot....but I have to question your friends....
I'm in total agreement with missroselee on this.
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Location: Texas | My horse bled for th first time a few weeks ago. My vet told me to do 12 SMZ twice a day for 5 days and then 3 cc of lasix 2 hours before we run. He is a very well respected vet and treats several NFR horses. If your vet is not suggesting antibiotics I would really question his reasoning. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | OP is doing a lot to help her horse right now :) She has been asking a lot of questions so I myself am confident she's on the right path!!! |
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