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| I'm trying to season my gelding this summer. He has absolutely no gate issues. I had a mare that was impossible to get into the gate, and I don't want him to get like that. I'm wondering what you do to prevent the gate issues and help your horses "love" their job. My saddle fits him, I never work the pattern at home, and I also stretch him out before and after runs to try to prevent soreness. Any other tips would greatly be appreciated! Thanks! |
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Location: Oklahoma | IMO, and I've been training and selling horses for over 40 years (have about 10 come through my barn a year), gate issues are caused by physical issues. The horses get sore, and they KNOW you're going to ask 100% of them when you go through that gate, and they 100% know they're going to hurt when they do it, THAT'S when gate issues develop. Keep them as pain free as possible; take them to the vet as soon as they start showing nervousness about the run, and I bet you never have any gate issues. I've only had 4 in my lifetime that were bad at the gate and they came to me like that....a couple got better, but they are never really cured once they start it, IMO. All 4 of mine with issues ended up having front feet soreness when the problem was finally discovered.
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| Thank you! I will be sure to do that right away if anything happens. |
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| I never walk them in the alley or gate before our run. I just want them to know that when we head for the gate it's time to be ready. After the run ill step off and walk them back to the gate and loosen their cinch. I've only had two, knock on wood, that started an issue with the gate but as soon as I figured out one's lameness issue he was golden, and the other was just done! He went on to make a great trail horse for a little girl. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | I agree with other posters that its mostly physical issues like soreness that cause gate issues. I would also say ulcers cause a lot of gate issues also, which 90% of performance horses get at some point in their career. |
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Location: North Dakota | mleu11 - 2014-05-22 10:18 AM I'm trying to season my gelding this summer. He has absolutely no gate issues. I had a mare that was impossible to get into the gate, and I don't want him to get like that. I'm wondering what you do to prevent the gate issues and help your horses "love" their job. My saddle fits him, I never work the pattern at home, and I also stretch him out before and after runs to try to prevent soreness. Any other tips would greatly be appreciated! Thanks!
How do you fix issues if you never work a pattern at home? I can understand a seasoned and solid horse not having to see the pattern very often or at all in some people's cases, but when your seasoning them they make mistakes which requires work at home between runs. They'll get confidence from correct, slow or fast pattern work at home. In my opinion not working one at home could lead to confidence issues, which may come out at the gate.
Also, like Diane said soreness is a very significant player in gate issues. |
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| I have noticed a lot of horses with gate issues have riders who overuse spurs, jerk excessively with their hands, and throw big baby hissy fits on their horses after a run. Just an observation. |
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| WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2014-05-22 11:19 AM
mleu11 - 2014-05-22 10:18 AM I'm trying to season my gelding this summer. He has absolutely no gate issues. I had a mare that was impossible to get into the gate, and I don't want him to get like that. I'm wondering what you do to prevent the gate issues and help your horses "love" their job. My saddle fits him, I never work the pattern at home, and I also stretch him out before and after runs to try to prevent soreness. Any other tips would greatly be appreciated! Thanks!
How do you fix issues if you never work a pattern at home? I can understand a seasoned and solid horse not having to see the pattern very often or at all in some people's cases, but when your seasoning them they make mistakes which requires work at home between runs. They'll get confidence from correct, slow or fast pattern work at home. In my opinion not working one at home could lead to confidence issues, which may come out at the gate.
Also, like Diane said soreness is a very significant player in gate issues.
I'm sorry I probably should have clarified what I meant by working the pattern at home. I do slow work occasionally if he needs it. I meant I never full out run him at home. Sorry for the confusion haha |
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| Thank you all for your advice! I'm definitely no pro barrel racer/trainer, and you all have helped me out a lot! |
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Location: Weatherford, Texas | I spend LOTS of time in the alley. It is our chill place. I am a stickler for horses that walk in the alley---I ain't got no time for that crazy s***. So I walk in and out every chance I get. Stand in the alley (not just the mouth- all over). Get off and loosen them up in the alley- but not the drag right after my run. Always walk in and out cooling them off if you can and then get off after 2 or 3 times (if you aren't needing to get on other horses).
Just make them think safe in teh alley and that it isn't a run every time. I also when working them will walk a few steps in the pen before I ask them to pick up unless I am asking them to run.
And a tip you can teach- I figured it out of habit- if I am one handed in the alley they are relaxed. If I gather up the reins then they know it is time to boogey. |
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| Gate issues can be caused by pain, rider error or a combination of both. Pain can definitely cause it. I see soooooo many riders give the "go, no wait, don't go signal". The horse starts to go then the rider pulls back for whatever reason, usually the horse takes off faster than they want to go. Pretty soon the horse learns that they are going to get pulled on once they go forward and stop going forward. If you have a couple of horses and only one doesn't go in the gate, it's probably pain. The people that have gate problems on all their horses - it's probably the rider. |
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| Also, FORWARD, FORWARD, FORWARD. I see a lot of riders *wanting* their horse to go into the alley, but are holding back on the reins. Leave their face alone and go FORWARD! |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Crooks - 2014-05-28 11:44 AM Just want horse owners to be aware that I compound an Analytical Lab proven Omeprazole Suspension. The finished product is lab proven for stability and potency. It is economically priced so more owners can treat their horses, as stated over 90% of performance horses have ulcers. $200/300ml at treatment dosage n it's molasses flavored so horses love the taste. I also compound a ranitidine apple flavored gel in a dial a dose syringe for easy administration.
Think compounded omeprazole works for treating/preventing ulcers in horses? This picture proves it doesn't...even after 60 days. Remember...the most expensive medicine is the one that doesn't work. Do you think this horse was winning races? The thing about compounded products for ulcers is they don't have the patented delivery agent to get the drug through the acid in the stomach to where it needs to go to do what it needs to do. Products without the patented delivery agent get burned up as soon as they hit the stomach and really do no good. The Omeprazole has to get through the stomach to the blood to be able to shut the acid pumps off.. and that doesn't happen with compounded products. Not bashing, or stirring the pot, just stating facts. |
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-28 12:55 PM
Crooks - 2014-05-28 11:44 AM Just want horse owners to be aware that I compound an Analytical Lab proven Omeprazole Suspension. The finished product is lab proven for stability and potency. It is economically priced so more owners can treat their horses, as stated over 90% of performance horses have ulcers. $200/300ml at treatment dosage n it's molasses flavored so horses love the taste. I also compound a ranitidine apple flavored gel in a dial a dose syringe for easy administration.
Think compounded omeprazole works for treating/preventing ulcers in horses? This picture proves it doesn't...even after 60 days. Remember...the most expensive medicine is the one that doesn't work. Do you think this horse was winning races? The thing about compounded products for ulcers is they don't have the patented delivery agent to get the drug through the acid in the stomach to where it needs to go to do what it needs to do. Products without the patented delivery agent get burned up as soon as they hit the stomach and really do no good. The Omeprazole has to get through the stomach to the blood to be able to shut the acid pumps off.. and that doesn't happen with compounded products. Not bashing, or stirring the pot, just stating facts.
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Location: Never in one place long | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-28 11:55 AM
Crooks - 2014-05-28 11:44 AM Just want horse owners to be aware that I compound an Analytical Lab proven Omeprazole Suspension. The finished product is lab proven for stability and potency. It is economically priced so more owners can treat their horses, as stated over 90% of performance horses have ulcers. $200/300ml at treatment dosage n it's molasses flavored so horses love the taste. I also compound a ranitidine apple flavored gel in a dial a dose syringe for easy administration.
Think compounded omeprazole works for treating/preventing ulcers in horses? This picture proves it doesn't...even after 60 days. Remember...the most expensive medicine is the one that doesn't work. Do you think this horse was winning races? The thing about compounded products for ulcers is they don't have the patented delivery agent to get the drug through the acid in the stomach to where it needs to go to do what it needs to do. Products without the patented delivery agent get burned up as soon as they hit the stomach and really do no good. The Omeprazole has to get through the stomach to the blood to be able to shut the acid pumps off.. and that doesn't happen with compounded products. Not bashing, or stirring the pot, just stating facts.
Yikes, what do you recommend for ulceers then? I think my mare may have them and I don't want to waste money! |
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Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | DLV - 2014-05-28 12:05 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-28 11:55 AM Crooks - 2014-05-28 11:44 AM Just want horse owners to be aware that I compound an Analytical Lab proven Omeprazole Suspension. The finished product is lab proven for stability and potency. It is economically priced so more owners can treat their horses, as stated over 90% of performance horses have ulcers. $200/300ml at treatment dosage n it's molasses flavored so horses love the taste. I also compound a ranitidine apple flavored gel in a dial a dose syringe for easy administration.
Think compounded omeprazole works for treating/preventing ulcers in horses? This picture proves it doesn't...even after 60 days. Remember...the most expensive medicine is the one that doesn't work. Do you think this horse was winning races? The thing about compounded products for ulcers is they don't have the patented delivery agent to get the drug through the acid in the stomach to where it needs to go to do what it needs to do. Products without the patented delivery agent get burned up as soon as they hit the stomach and really do no good. The Omeprazole has to get through the stomach to the blood to be able to shut the acid pumps off.. and that doesn't happen with compounded products. Not bashing, or stirring the pot, just stating facts. Yikes, what do you recommend for ulceers then? I think my mare may have them and I don't want to waste money!
The only thing proven and FDA approved is Ulcergard/Gastrogard. They have the patent on the delivery agent. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | SuckerForHorses - 2014-05-28 12:05 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-28 12:55 PM Crooks - 2014-05-28 11:44 AM Just want horse owners to be aware that I compound an Analytical Lab proven Omeprazole Suspension. The finished product is lab proven for stability and potency. It is economically priced so more owners can treat their horses, as stated over 90% of performance horses have ulcers. $200/300ml at treatment dosage n it's molasses flavored so horses love the taste. I also compound a ranitidine apple flavored gel in a dial a dose syringe for easy administration.
Think compounded omeprazole works for treating/preventing ulcers in horses? This picture proves it doesn't...even after 60 days. Remember...the most expensive medicine is the one that doesn't work. Do you think this horse was winning races? The thing about compounded products for ulcers is they don't have the patented delivery agent to get the drug through the acid in the stomach to where it needs to go to do what it needs to do. Products without the patented delivery agent get burned up as soon as they hit the stomach and really do no good. The Omeprazole has to get through the stomach to the blood to be able to shut the acid pumps off.. and that doesn't happen with compounded products. Not bashing, or stirring the pot, just stating facts. THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS!!!
Welcome.. don't get me wrong I buy a lot of compounded things for different reasons.. but this is one thing I will spend the money for. |
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| Yes, same here. I see people all the time who are all "buy this compounded omeprazole powder from such and such and it works just like GastroGard!" Um, no. It does not.
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Location: Valley City,ND | Please read Careful Compounding article in thehorse.com. the link is on my website. I am the first to agree that not all compounding is equal. But there are compounders that follow the laws set forth by the FDA and National and State Pharmacy laws. That's why I'm advertising that my product is Analytical Lab tested for potency and stability...the finished product, because of course, we start with USP raw products. After years in the lab I came up with a base that will keep omeprazole stable. Lots of trial n error an blown up jars. My product is under patent pending proprietary formula now. Takes a long time to go thru, but since I have an independent analytical lab proving stability and potency I can start selling it. By prescription only for all compounded products is the law. So if you are buying a compounded product without a prescription chances are the finished product has not been thru the lab tests proving potency and stability....that's the key...The reason I sell it for $200 for treatment course is because as a horse owner I realize horses are expensive and the average horse owner cannot afford to treat their horse when the drug costs more than the mortgage on their home. I went into this because I want to see more horses treated. I would rather sell n treat 6 horses than 1 horse due to price. I will make the same in the end but more horses will be free of painful ulcers. If you have any questions please call or email me. My website is www.equinerxsolutions.com |
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Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | Crooks - 2014-05-28 12:47 PM Please read Careful Compounding article in thehorse.com. the link is on my website. I am the first to agree that not all compounding is equal. But there are compounders that follow the laws set forth by the FDA and National and State Pharmacy laws. That's why I'm advertising that my product is Analytical Lab tested for potency and stability...the finished product, because of course, we start with USP raw products. After years in the lab I came up with a base that will keep omeprazole stable. Lots of trial n error an blown up jars. My product is under patent pending proprietary formula now. Takes a long time to go thru, but since I have an independent analytical lab proving stability and potency I can start selling it. By prescription only for all compounded products is the law. So if you are buying a compounded product without a prescription chances are the finished product has not been thru the lab tests proving potency and stability....that's the key...The reason I sell it for $200 for treatment course is because as a horse owner I realize horses are expensive and the average horse owner cannot afford to treat their horse when the drug costs more than the mortgage on their home. I went into this because I want to see more horses treated. I would rather sell n treat 6 horses than 1 horse due to price. I will make the same in the end but more horses will be free of painful ulcers. If you have any questions please call or email me. My website is www.equinerxsolutions.com Stability and potency aren't the issue being addressed...its the carrier agent that gets the active ingredient past the acid to be absorbed so it can go to work on the Proton Pump reducing the amount of acid it makes. There is only one drug/company that has the proven carrier agent that keeps the active ingredient protected past the acid in the glandular part of the stomach, that is Merial with Ulcergard/Gastrogard. So are you saying that you have developed another carrier that will deliver the omeprozole past the glandular stomach? If so, has it been FDA approved, and what are your "claims" that have been approved? "Treats ulcers.. Cures ulcers.. Coats the stomach lining? Having a patent on a proprietary blend of ingredients doesn't prove the ingredients will work for the job they are intended.
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