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Location: Panama City, FL | Im looking at buying a really nice horse and he is a bleeder. i am absolutely in love with him but i dont have any experience with a bleeder and need more info! he isnt a very bad bleeder and runs on lasix. ive done some research and read about causes and side effects of bleeding, and treatments such as lasix but would love to hear how all yall treat/run your bleeders. any supplements you have tried that work really well, ect.
thanks in advance
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Location: NW. Florida | Amanda go and search for bleeding in horses post. There's a lot of information on it. You'll have to do the search back probably 60 days. It's a pretty go one. |
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| My advise would be to pass on a "known" bleeder, But if you are absolutely in love than go for it. I can tell you from multiple horses that there is no cure, only management.
I have heard it said many many times, my horse didn't bleed, because its not running out his nose!
Why your prospect is a known bleeder, but not a bad bleeder, you have to research yourself.
To me bleeding is not good, but so are many things, but with the right animal you deal with it.
First, get all info you can from seller and any vet records available.
Second, you will have to educate yourself with all the knowledge you care to absorb, from first hand experience people to literature.
Third, your new ride will be a guinea pig, while you are experimenting on what works best for your ride program.
Fourth, get into a vet routine of scoping. Right after a run if at all possible, but at least next day. It does not matter that your horse has not coughed, not bled out the nose or even run well, get it scoped.
Fifth, management will consist of literally playing with lasix dosing, timing, iv/im. As well as all the otc remedies that advertising and people who know this or that will cure your bleeder will have you buying. You will try different feeds, different supplements, no alfalfa, yes alfalfa, ad nauseam!!
Sixth, once you have gotten to the point where he is scoping clean for several runs and you have become an expert in treating bleeders, he will bleed again through what ever you are giving.
Seventh, when you have come to the to the point where your horse spends more down time recovering from a bleeding episode than you are enjoying the ride you may be a reluctant as me to want the headache.
There is and eight, nine and so on, but you get the point. best of luck
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Location: Deep South | I wouldn't pass on a known bleeder if it is manageable. We have had several, as soon as we discovered the issue, learned what it took for that horse individually to manage it, then everything was fine. I have also sold several known bleeders and it did not affect their price whatsoever. They were nice 1D horses, I told potential buyers that they were ran on Lasix, and that was it, I didn't have anyone seriously interested shy away because they were bleeders.
I think people would be amazed how many horses are bleeders and their owners just don't know it. The signs can be very subtle sometimes. |
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| I have a horse that has been a bleeder since she was 6 and is now 14 and places top 1D at the world shows... If he is not a severe bleeder I would not pass on him.. It is absolutely manageable in most cases but you have have have to give the rest should he ever bleed out or even show signs of bleeding internally.. Otherwise scar tissue will form and he eventually wont be able to get enough air to run at the same level.. Get an oral supplement like lung aid or the oxygen stuff, keep him out of dust-- even if it means hosing his hay down a little bit etc... Vicks helps my horse but i dont know how much research there is behind it.. and use the lasix.. Always give him electrolytes and most vets say pull the water but.. He will pee out about 20 lbs of water on it. I give my horse a few sips and definitely a few after warming up and after a run even if im running again. Not a ton but im sure a dry mouth in 100 degree weather is just as hard on them as bleeding. |
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Location: South MS | I have a bleeder
It has been trial and error and you have to know going in what keeps him working
I have to ride mine 4 days a week for 1 hour to keep him in GREAT shape
I lasix 3 hours out and dex 2 hours out and he is great - took me almost a year to get my meds/dosages/times down - my vet was very helpful for getting us running - mine is a bad bleeder and will bleed through 6cc lasix alone so I have a tough one
GET HIM SCOPED BEFORE YOU BUY - You want to check for scar tissue and make sure he is truly clear - just because he doesn't bleed out doesn't mean he isn't bleeding internally - know what you are getting into before you spend the money
Talk to the owners, talk to their vet and see what you have to do for him
Its a hassle pulling water and doing lasix and electrolytes but if the horse is nice enough it is worth it |
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Location: Panama City, FL | thank yall so much for your input! i dont think its going to keep me from buying the horse because thats the only issue he really has. his bleeding has been controlled previously with supplements (scoped clear and all) so that leads me to my next question... in addition to, or instead of, lasix what supplements actually work? i know every horse is different but id like to have the best chance i can.  |
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Location: South MS | I feed oats/beet pulp/flax seed and then I do herbs = then lasix/dex to run |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Lmichaels - 2014-05-25 9:37 PM
I feed oats/beet pulp/flax seed and then I do herbs = then lasix/dex to run
I feed the same with my bleeder, plus platinum performance vitamins, and daily salt. I DO feed alfalfa and some orchard and little coastle as a filler. DAC racing formula has vitamin K in it, so does oxygen bleeder stop. Just make sure to keep him in real good shape as it keeps the lungs stronger and less stressed when they run. |
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