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 Born not Made
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Location: North Dakota | Went to two shows this weekend. I can tell that the coffin joint injections are really helping. He just feels better. And heck, he won me the All-Around on Saturday, so you know he's feeling good!
2nd in senior showmanship
1st in senior horsemanship
3rd in senior western pleasure
4th in open reining
3rd in senior barrels
3rd in open barrels
4th in senior poles
2nd in senior keyhole
Here's the video from our two barrel runs on Saturday. Didn't get a video on Sunday because my camera ran out of space.
This is definately the hardest he's run for me, and he's still got plenty of room for improvement. The fastest time (out of all age groups) on the barrels that day was an 17.9 something. We ran an 18.898 our first run for the senior event, and then ran a 18.722 for the open barrels. We took 3rd place in both of those.
I'm just stoked that he would have been in the 2D if we were going by that formatt! (The girl that ran the 17.9 usually places or wins the 1D at our local jackpots so it was a nice time to compare ourselves to.)
http://youtu.be/95AgPLZEY_Y
It was amazing to me that he REMEMBERS this arena. Barrels was the first speed event of the day and he was ready to go!
There was kind of a "hole" that they set barrel #1 in. I'm not sure if that is what caused him to have some trouble or what. But after he did the same thing on our run on Sunday (no video of that one), I tried something different for poles on Sunday. Because I think it's more of a matter that I need to get after him and remind him to snap around. When I was warming him up on Sunday for poles, I had a quirt in my hand and gave him a loud verbal HUP HUP to ask him to turn. And then I popped him with the quirt on the shoulder. That sure helped a ton on our end pole (to go back and weave) during the pole pattern. He knows better .... he just needs to be reminded. I think I need to start doing that for his first barrel. Might help him rate a little better.
We got by the second a wee bit, but I'm okay with that. He normally has a very snappy 3rd barrel but I see that he stumbled, so I can't blame him there.
http://youtu.be/UwhwdxdUnmA
He walked in much nicer for the open run!
Our run was very similar to the first, but I think I let him turn a bit too soon on the 3rd, by a fraction of a second. I need to hold him one stride more to really snap around it.
http://youtu.be/zy99JLszawk
This was not our best run by any means. There was quite a hole as you came into the poles so I really tried to slow him down a bit to help him get through it. As I mentioned above, I need to warm him up with a HUP HUP cue to snap around that end pole (to go back and weave) because he gets speed on his mind and forgets we need to turn there. He knows the pattern and he knows better; he just needs to be reminded and then he's fine. We got a little "off" on our weave back and knocked one down. He stumbled as he went into the last turn. He normally has a beautiful turn to finish the run. I'm just glad it didn't fall over!
On Sunday (I don't have video) he weaved beautifully up and back, and turned his end pole much much better, since I got after him a bit when we warmed up. I'll have to continue to do that.
And just my disclaimer for those that haven't seen some of my other threads: HE HAS BEEN SEEN BY 2 DIFFERENT VETS. Yes, he has lameness problems but they have all been treated. Hocks are fusing. They've been injected. Right stifle catches (but it is better) and has been injected. Heel pain in front that has been injected, along with wedge pads. On Previcox every day and Adequan once a month as well as Plantinum Performance CJ. There's honest to God nothing more I can do for this horse than give him leg transplants!!!! I keep regular vet appointments to make sure we stay on track.
Okay, disclaimer finished. 
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Location: the high desert | I think he looks great as well Poor boy, he does need a leg transplant lol | |
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Born not Made
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Location: North Dakota | Just bumping this up for the afternoon crowd. | |
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Location: Northern CA | Ah heck, I was hoping to see the reining and horsemanship videos!!! | |
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Born not Made
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Location: North Dakota | I'm on my phone right now but I can sure post them tomorrow!! Or if you watch one of the YouTube videos, the rest are on my YouTube channel.
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| He looks a lot better, but he should if he is on previcoxx.
I would caution you on the amount of events you enter him in.
Dena has said it the best, a horse only has so many runs in them, and she is talking about a healthy horse before problems start.
You have a few different things going on, the more you use him, the more wear and tear on his joints, more inflammation, more arthritis, shorter injection longevity, and shorter lifespan. | |
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Location: North Dakota | cheryl makofka - 2014-07-30 9:03 PM He looks a lot better, but he should if he is on previcoxx. I would caution you on the amount of events you enter him in. Dena has said it the best, a horse only has so many runs in them, and she is talking about a healthy horse before problems start. You have a few different things going on, the more you use him, the more wear and tear on his joints, more inflammation, more arthritis, shorter injection longevity, and shorter lifespan.
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I know people that run a double header jackpot on a Saturday morning, go to a rodeo Saturday night, and then make 1 or 2 more runs on Sunday at rodeos.
Not to mention, the folks that rodeo full-time spend hours, and hours, traveling on the road. The farthest show I go to is 3 1/2 hours away, but the vast majority of things I do are right where I live or within an hour.
Showmanship is not hard in Red's body.
Neither is western pleasure (no different than the conditioning I do on the trails with him).
Neither is horsemanship (the pattern on Saturday was short and literally took 1 minute to complete).
Reining, sure the stops can be hard, but the loping circles isn't much different than his usual conditioning.
Showing events aren't "runs".
Yup, I made two barrel runs on Saturday. Usually do that at a jackpot anyway.
Yup, I made a pole run. Most high school rodeo horses or college horses make a barrel and a pole run.
Yup, I made a keyhole run that took 6 seconds.
I appreciate all the advice you have given me Cheryl, and it probably wansn't the intention, but I am a little miffed by this response. I have finally got him feeling good, but now I'm not supposed to use him? Should he just sit in the pasture now that he's feeling good??
I've been going to these playday-type shows since I was 4 years old. It's what I like to do.
You do what you enjoy with your horses, and I am going to do what I enjoy with my horses.
The other thing you need to remember is my location. Most of my competing is done in June, July, and August. Spring and fall are pretty slow, and winter I just simply try to get a ride in every now and then between the snow and ice. He isn't getting worked like this 12 months out of the year, like horses in Texas (for example) might get competed on all year long.
I told myself I was going to give Red the year to see how his soundness issues play out. And he's doing good. So for the time being, we'll keep going. If his body ever reaches the point where he can't handle it anymore, or he tells me he doesn't like doing it, then he won't be doing it.
This is my one year to go-go-go with the horses. I'm young. I don't have any kids. So that's what I'm doing. Next year we may start a family and that's going to change things drastically. I'm taking advantage of the opportunity while I have it.
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Location: North Dakota | halter_ego - 2014-07-30 3:09 PM Ah heck, I was hoping to see the reining and horsemanship videos!!!
Here you go!
Showmanship
http://youtu.be/Gztwvx3jSe0?list=UU1fLLEIOytOsw8jpwUGh0Bg
Reining
http://youtu.be/VuZxePnzs8c?list=UU1fLLEIOytOsw8jpwUGh0Bg
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Wow, looked like a huge showmanship class! Congrats! Thanks for posting, I like seeing the other events :-) | |
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| r_beau - 2014-07-31 9:37 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-07-30 9:03 PM He looks a lot better, but he should if he is on previcoxx. I would caution you on the amount of events you enter him in. Dena has said it the best, a horse only has so many runs in them, and she is talking about a healthy horse before problems start. You have a few different things going on, the more you use him, the more wear and tear on his joints, more inflammation, more arthritis, shorter injection longevity, and shorter lifespan.
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I know people that run a double header jackpot on a Saturday morning, go to a rodeo Saturday night, and then make 1 or 2 more runs on Sunday at rodeos.
Not to mention, the folks that rodeo full-time spend hours, and hours, traveling on the road. The farthest show I go to is 3 1/2 hours away, but the vast majority of things I do are right where I live or within an hour.
Showmanship is not hard in Red's body.
Neither is western pleasure (no different than the conditioning I do on the trails with him).
Neither is horsemanship (the pattern on Saturday was short and literally took 1 minute to complete).
Reining, sure the stops can be hard, but the loping circles isn't much different than his usual conditioning.
Showing events aren't "runs".
Yup, I made two barrel runs on Saturday. Usually do that at a jackpot anyway.
Yup, I made a pole run. Most high school rodeo horses or college horses make a barrel and a pole run.
Yup, I made a keyhole run that took 6 seconds.
I appreciate all the advice you have given me Cheryl, and it probably wansn't the intention, but I am a little miffed by this response. I have finally got him feeling good, but now I'm not supposed to use him? Should he just sit in the pasture now that he's feeling good??
I've been going to these playday-type shows since I was 4 years old. It's what I like to do.
You do what you enjoy with your horses, and I am going to do what I enjoy with my horses.
The other thing you need to remember is my location. Most of my competing is done in June, July, and August. Spring and fall are pretty slow, and winter I just simply try to get a ride in every now and then between the snow and ice. He isn't getting worked like this 12 months out of the year, like horses in Texas (for example) might get competed on all year long.
I told myself I was going to give Red the year to see how his soundness issues play out. And he's doing good. So for the time being, we'll keep going. If his body ever reaches the point where he can't handle it anymore, or he tells me he doesn't like doing it, then he won't be doing it.
This is my one year to go-go-go with the horses. I'm young. I don't have any kids. So that's what I'm doing. Next year we may start a family and that's going to change things drastically. I'm taking advantage of the opportunity while I have it.
Actually pleasure classes have been proven to be just as hard on joints as hard turning events, as horses are asked to move in an unnatural gait.
If you want to run your horse into the ground your horse, it is your decision. But the more you run, the less time you will have between injections. This is what you have to realize.
I have lived through arthritis, and when mine was diagnosed, I decided I would not run mine with antiinflammatories, at first he got injections every 6 months, then every 3, with legend, adequan, and glucosamine alternating weekly to reduce inflammation. He retired sound where he passed flexion tests, I decided to retire him sound as he didn't owe me anything.
I had to pick and choose what arenas I would run him in, and yes as the years went on I maybe would only go to a 1/4 of the runs before arthritis. | |
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Location: North Dakota | cheryl makofka - 2014-07-31 12:54 PM r_beau - 2014-07-31 9:37 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-07-30 9:03 PM He looks a lot better, but he should if he is on previcoxx. I would caution you on the amount of events you enter him in. Dena has said it the best, a horse only has so many runs in them, and she is talking about a healthy horse before problems start. You have a few different things going on, the more you use him, the more wear and tear on his joints, more inflammation, more arthritis, shorter injection longevity, and shorter lifespan. ???
I know people that run a double header jackpot on a Saturday morning, go to a rodeo Saturday night, and then make 1 or 2 more runs on Sunday at rodeos.
Not to mention, the folks that rodeo full-time spend hours, and hours, traveling on the road. The farthest show I go to is 3 1/2 hours away, but the vast majority of things I do are right where I live or within an hour.
Showmanship is not hard in Red's body.
Neither is western pleasure (no different than the conditioning I do on the trails with him).
Neither is horsemanship (the pattern on Saturday was short and literally took 1 minute to complete).
Reining, sure the stops can be hard, but the loping circles isn't much different than his usual conditioning.
Showing events aren't "runs".
Yup, I made two barrel runs on Saturday. Usually do that at a jackpot anyway.
Yup, I made a pole run. Most high school rodeo horses or college horses make a barrel and a pole run.
Yup, I made a keyhole run that took 6 seconds.
I appreciate all the advice you have given me Cheryl, and it probably wansn't the intention, but I am a little miffed by this response. I have finally got him feeling good, but now I'm not supposed to use him? Should he just sit in the pasture now that he's feeling good??
I've been going to these playday-type shows since I was 4 years old. It's what I like to do.
You do what you enjoy with your horses, and I am going to do what I enjoy with my horses.
The other thing you need to remember is my location. Most of my competing is done in June, July, and August. Spring and fall are pretty slow, and winter I just simply try to get a ride in every now and then between the snow and ice. He isn't getting worked like this 12 months out of the year, like horses in Texas (for example) might get competed on all year long.
I told myself I was going to give Red the year to see how his soundness issues play out. And he's doing good. So for the time being, we'll keep going. If his body ever reaches the point where he can't handle it anymore, or he tells me he doesn't like doing it, then he won't be doing it.
This is my one year to go-go-go with the horses. I'm young. I don't have any kids. So that's what I'm doing. Next year we may start a family and that's going to change things drastically. I'm taking advantage of the opportunity while I have it.
Actually pleasure classes have been proven to be just as hard on joints as hard turning events, as horses are asked to move in an unnatural gait. If you want to run your horse into the ground your horse, it is your decision. But the more you run, the less time you will have between injections. This is what you have to realize. I have lived through arthritis, and when mine was diagnosed, I decided I would not run mine with antiinflammatories, at first he got injections every 6 months, then every 3, with legend, adequan, and glucosamine alternating weekly to reduce inflammation. He retired sound where he passed flexion tests, I decided to retire him sound as he didn't owe me anything. I had to pick and choose what arenas I would run him in, and yes as the years went on I maybe would only go to a 1/4 of the runs before arthritis.
Now keep in mind, we are NOT world quality western pleasure. He has a nice jog and a nice lope that comes naturally to him. I'm not forcing his body into any unnatural positions. I do it because I enjoy it and I keeps him quiet in the arena.
Running him into the ground? If that's what you truly believe I am doing, you are sorely mistaken.
I *might* have to inject him twice a year. Maybe. We'll see how he continues to do this year. Might not need it. When he gets 6 months off a year for the winter months, again, he's getting plenty of rest. He doesn't even see the patterns during the week; just conditioning.
Why is it that I always feel attacked when I post a video?? Good god, I'm not "running him into the ground". | |
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| I am not attacking the video, I suggested you use caution on what you do with him due to the multiple ailments your horse has, hocks, stifle, navicular, three areas need to be injected.
You responded what I found ignorant, so do what ever you want with your horse, I have no clue what you do.
I do know that with the knowledge I have now, I would have even done things differently with my horse from starting him, to competing on him, to maintenance. Great horses are a rarity, and I would give my left kidney to roll the clock back 20 yrs to re do it.
I would have also appreciated someone giving me guidance, education, and what to anticipate, it is not a fun road.
Each time you inject there is a chance of joint infection, a chance of joint flare, and chance of reaction to sedation. There are risks with injections, when things go sideways, it is horrible to watch. I had a very good vet inject my horse infected 2/4 joints, the regular vet was out of country for 2 weeks. For 2 weeks I had a horse with infected joints, and for 2 weeks I pleaded with the vet who injected and the nationally renowned surgical facility to assess my horse, and no one believed me, no one would agree to see my horse for 2 weeks. As soon as my regular vet was back I was at his office at 2am, my horse stayed there for a week.
As I said I have managed a horse who needed injections, I gave my suggestions, it is a public forum, no one is forcing you to do or not do anything with your horse. | |
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