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  Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Many of you know about my big 3 yr old I bought for a show horse. He had 30 days put on him this spring and did fantastic. Had time off and went to bucking. Then in the meantime of waiting to get him back to the trainer, he started to square his toes some in the back. He never showed any lameness when walking/trotting on hard ground, but I just noticed he was different. Had a chiro/vet that said he was out in his pelvis, put him back in. I never noticed a lot of difference. Maybe he wasn't resting his foot as much. So I got him in to his previous trainer and he still wants to buck, but only at the beginning of the ride. He was given the "what for" about it and some miles put on. He said the horse is unwilling and cranky. We both think he is out somewhere or just something is up. Yesterday, before he called and said he thought he needed to see a vet, he saddled him and the horse fell down with the saddle. He just found the horse laying on his side saddled. This is all not like this horse.
I just got off the phone with Bruce Connally and we are hoping to make an appt next Monday. He said it could really be anything, stifles, hocks, OCD, strained muscles etc. Maybe he was trying to make me feel better, but he said with him seeming sound and some other things I mentioned, that it was all good signs. And that OCD is treatable with surgery. UGH so let me hear your stories. I'm just sick to my stomach worrying what it could be... |
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | I know very little about this but I would definitely bring him home, no matter what the diagnosis is, and turn him out. Three is only a baby and he needs to develop and do things in his own time for a while. If that makes any sense to you.
Good luck to you and try not to worry so much.
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 Shelter Dog Lover
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The Advice Guru
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| No point in worrying till you have a diagnosis.
I have had many instances where I thought the long term outlook was horrible for a horse, but with the proper diagnosis and treatment the horses have come back competitive, sound and run drug free. |
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 Fact Checker
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Crap, I hate to hear that......hopefully, you will get the answers that you need!  |
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 Texas Taco
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Location: Bandera, TX | So sorry - hope you can get him figured out soon! Hugs. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Thank you, just really worried. :( |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: Mountains of VA | Is he popping up behind and maybe kicking out at the same time?? Or is he bowing up bucking like a green horse?? If he is popping up behind, I say stifles. They might be catching/weak/loose, etc. A big growthy 3yo can have stifle problems that they can grow out of combined with walking hill work to strengthen their hindquarters and stifles in particular.
Laying down when saddled can be something as simple as being cinched up too tight too quick and the horse holds its breath and lays down. I have a mare that use to do that. Could also be back soreness from his stifles.
I think whatever is going on will be correctable and it will not hurt to have a vet check him over. |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Awww sorry that you feel sick over this call, heres a hug for you..  |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | hotpaints - 2014-07-30 8:01 PM Is he popping up behind and maybe kicking out at the same time?? Or is he bowing up bucking like a green horse?? If he is popping up behind, I say stifles. They might be catching/weak/loose, etc. A big growthy 3yo can have stifle problems that they can grow out of combined with walking hill work to strengthen their hindquarters and stifles in particular.
Laying down when saddled can be something as simple as being cinched up too tight too quick and the horse holds its breath and lays down. I have a mare that use to do that. Could also be back soreness from his stifles.
I think whatever is going on will be correctable and it will not hurt to have a vet check him over.
He's no Khadafy Skoal, but he is bucking. It's a lunge up and bow head down kind of buck. He just got me once and banged me up pretty good because I hit the pipe round pen with my lower back. I still have fluid in it a good month later. He's not kicking out at all, just kind of bogging around. I did get back on after working his butt off on the ground and made him lope again, but I could tell he didn't feel right. I had him adjusted and hoped that was enough.
I don't suspect kissing spine, I think that would have shown up earlier when he was ridden earlier this year. But sheesh, hocks and stifles on a 3yr old. I hope it is an easily fixed issue...just not one that will bother him later though. |
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 Queen Bee Cat Owner
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Location: Way up North | Hopefully it is nothing but I have read on several different sites about the most prevelant causes of bucking to be stiffles, kissing spine, EPM, or ovaries which don't count on yours. Hopefully you figure it out and he comes out of it okay. I stopped sticking money into mine after clean stiffles and ovaries and they told me the xrays for kissing spines were over $800 alone  I have read that the prognosis after the surgery seems to be very good and the same with treating EPM. |
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 IMA No Hair Style Gal
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| Sometimes, as much as I hate to say this, some horses just are not made to do or handle the things we want them to do, for whatever reason.
I hope and pray that whatever the cause it is something that can be fixed.
Hugs and positive energy your way. |
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 Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Wyo, you and I have visited via pm regarding the problems I've been experiencing with my colt. I had an appt yesterday and found that his front feet were just a little sore due to this soles. Nothing serious at all. 30 days of previcoxx and continued ulcer treatment. The he mentioned that he has had good success in injecting the tmj joint on horses that are showing symptoms of resistance when no other lameness is detected. I said go for it. After getting home I began researching this a bit more and found an old article in the BHN. I'll try to attach the link below but if it doesn't work, just google tmj injection for horses and it should come up. I won't ride until Sunday, but keeping fingers crossed that this, in conjunction with the sore soles, and the ulcers, which I'm already treating fix my problem. The article is called the 411 on TMJ.
Eta I was literally at the point of considering epm, pssm, brain tumor, and a number of other things. Don't give up! There is a reason a horse goes from being a nice to ride horse to not. I'll keep looking until I find it.
http://barrelhorsenews.com/articles/horse-health/3979-the-411-on-the-tmj
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Herbie - 2014-07-30 8:45 PM Wyo, you and I have visited via pm regarding the problems I've been experiencing with my colt. I had an appt yesterday and found that his front feet were just a little sore due to this soles. Nothing serious at all. 30 days of previcoxx and continued ulcer treatment. The he mentioned that he has had good success in injecting the tmj joint on horses that are showing symptoms of resistance when no other lameness is detected. I said go for it. After getting home I began researching this a bit more and found an old article in the BHN. I'll try to attach the link below but if it doesn't work, just google tmj injection for horses and it should come up. I won't ride until Sunday, but keeping fingers crossed that this, in conjunction with the sore soles, and the ulcers, which I'm already treating fix my problem. The article is called the 411 on TMJ.
Eta I was literally at the point of considering epm, pssm, brain tumor, and a number of other things. Don't give up! There is a reason a horse goes from being a nice to ride horse to not. I'll keep looking until I find it.
http://barrelhorsenews.com/articles/horse-health/3979-the-411-on-th...
Thank you for that. I'll go check it out. His feet to me are awful. Between being gone to a trainer and then having a cut foot, I just haven't kept up on his feet and he's the one that toes out some. It's not extreme, but I think he has the high/low thing going on and I'm sure between that, the ill fitting saddle etc, it could be throwing everything out of wack. He also has princess and the pea syndrome so any little thing will bug him. He is a sweet heart and this guys kids were sitting on him. I just need to sleep on it and try and get this pukey feeling out of my gut. I don't handle stress like I used to. My husband is just sick of spending any money one them anymore. We've just had such a run of bad luck for so so long. |
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 I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: USA |
Hope your big guy is ok and it's nothing major!! |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | Just wanted to post for moral support! I've had incredibly bad luck with my horses, so I'm hoping it turns out better for you. |
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 Sweet Tea
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Location: Home of the World Famous "Silver Bullet" | i would put him on a good joint supplement and kick him out till next summer. we had to do this with a gelding, he didn't turn the corner till he was 6. a very nice 1d horse now, he is 9. |
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 Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | I know you said of FB he has been treated this whole time for ulcers.. but that laying down after saddled, really leads me to think ulcers. If you havent actually had him scoped, there is no way to tell if he actually has them or not.. maybe what you are using to treat him isn't working.. just a thought. |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-30 10:35 PM Herbie - 2014-07-30 8:45 PM Wyo, you and I have visited via pm regarding the problems I've been experiencing with my colt. I had an appt yesterday and found that his front feet were just a little sore due to this soles. Nothing serious at all. 30 days of previcoxx and continued ulcer treatment. The he mentioned that he has had good success in injecting the tmj joint on horses that are showing symptoms of resistance when no other lameness is detected. I said go for it. After getting home I began researching this a bit more and found an old article in the BHN. I'll try to attach the link below but if it doesn't work, just google tmj injection for horses and it should come up. I won't ride until Sunday, but keeping fingers crossed that this, in conjunction with the sore soles, and the ulcers, which I'm already treating fix my problem. The article is called the 411 on TMJ.
Eta I was literally at the point of considering epm, pssm, brain tumor, and a number of other things. Don't give up! There is a reason a horse goes from being a nice to ride horse to not. I'll keep looking until I find it.
http://barrelhorsenews.com/articles/horse-health/3979-the-411-on-the-tmj
Thank you for that. I'll go check it out. His feet to me are awful. Between being gone to a trainer and then having a cut foot, I just haven't kept up on his feet and he's the one that toes out some. It's not extreme, but I think he has the high/low thing going on and I'm sure between that, the ill fitting saddle etc, it could be throwing everything out of wack. He also has princess and the pea syndrome so any little thing will bug him. He is a sweet heart and this guys kids were sitting on him. I just need to sleep on it and try and get this pukey feeling out of my gut. I don't handle stress like I used to. My husband is just sick of spending any money one them anymore. We've just had such a run of bad luck for so so long.
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