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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | Can someone explain the differences in laymans terms to me and what you've experienced with each? Or links to some good articles?
My gelding tied up on me Saturday and I think it was probably a combination of time off leading up to the race, being stalled overnight when he's on 24/7 turnout at home, somewhat nervous personality (he's just on high alert most of the time), and probably because I had still been giving him grain even on his days off.... which also happens to have NSC of 16%. Certainly have never had it happen before, but I can see how this episode was triggered and I'm determined to not let it happen again.
I am going to switch him over to a lower NSC % feed (around 13% or so) and start giving him a dose of Oxy-gen's Jailbreak before hauling and take more time warming up and cooling down.
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 Texas Taco
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Location: Bandera, TX | The PSSM 1 hair test is only about $40. Might be worth doing it to see if it was a fluke or if tight feed management is in order.
My gelding tied up a few years ago - never since. He was out of shape at the time and didn't drink enough. |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | GoMistyGo - 2014-08-04 9:42 PM The PSSM 1 hair test is only about $40. Might be worth doing it to see if it was a fluke or if tight feed management is in order. My gelding tied up a few years ago - never since. He was out of shape at the time and didn't drink enough.
Thanks, I'll look into it!! I feel he drank enough, but the only source of water he had was with electrolytes and I have since been told to offer electrolyte water and plain water. I think it was mostly the out of shape factor.. but I'm certainly paranoid now! |
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 Dog Resuce Agent
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Location: southeast Texas | Check out BRIDGEquine on FaceBook. Has a list of symptoms....... (won't let me copy)
With an PSSM horse, their TOTAL starch intake needs to be below 10%. On the label you will see sugars
level and starch. They need to be no more than 10%.
There is PSSM 1 and a PSSM 2. Type one you can do a hair test. Animal Genitics can give you a quick answer. Type two involves a muscle biopsy.
My horse always had a slight preformance problem. Is negative for type one. Got him on a low starch/sugar diet, could see / feel the difference.
His diet is now alfalfa cubes, Renew Gold and a small flake of Alfalfa plus turn out 1/2 day. He also has access to a mineral block. Sugar free. More info from past posts |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | If my horse has had the 5 panel testing done (not sure if he has or not), can I rule out PSSM since it's one of the things tested for in Animal Genetics' 5 Panel? |
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Dog Resuce Agent
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Location: southeast Texas | There is a PSSM type 2. The one you did with the 5 pannel is PSSM type 1.
Try the diet change to below 10% starch sugar. It will tell you if you are in the right path. |
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 Scorpions R Us
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Location: So. Cali. | PSSM Type 2 is tested via muscle biopsy.
My mare was negative for the PSSM Type 1 Hair test, but I opt'd to just try the diet change without the muscle biopsy. You do need to give it time, does not help overnight, but it has made a noticable difference with my mare.
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | I can't seem to find where on AQHA's site it shows if he was 5 panel tested or not. Any one know where to find it?
If he wasn't tested I will for sure pull hair and send in. I was talking to my gelding's chiro/acupuncturist about it (she's also a DVM) and she was very open to talking about, so I'm glad for that!
Thanks, everyone!
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Sock Snob
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| I was sure my gelding had pssm. If you did not keep him riden he would be cold backed, he had proformance issues. He had many visits to the vet. One of the vets suggested he had ulcers, when i treated him it made him noy cold backed any more in fact the first show i carried him to after i treated him for ulcers he stood tied to the trailer looked like he was given a big dose of ace head hung and lip dropped. I treated him for 60 days. Also he had fusing hocks, i had surgery on them. I did bynthe way have him tested. But i feed him low starch diet. |
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Expert
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Location: Willows, CA | If your horse does in fact have PSSM there is more to the management than just diet. Just as important is the exercise program that you MUST follow to keep the horse usable. Basically, these horses have to be worked every single day. Research (Valberg) has shown that this is just as important as the diet. I do a lot of diets for horses with this issue and ERM. I tell the horse owners that managing the PSSM horses is just not for everyone. If you do not have the time, place, willingness or opportunity to get them out and exercise them every day, seven days a week, it would be better for the horse for someone who does have that commitment to own them. With the proper diet, and the proper exercise program, most PSSM horses can lead a useful performance life. |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | winwillows - 2014-08-06 1:16 PM If your horse does in fact have PSSM there is more to the management than just diet. Just as important is the exercise program that you MUST follow to keep the horse usable. Basically, these horses have to be worked every single day. Research (Valberg) has shown that this is just as important as the diet. I do a lot of diets for horses with this issue and ERM. I tell the horse owners that managing the PSSM horses is just not for everyone. If you do not have the time, place, willingness or opportunity to get them out and exercise them every day, seven days a week, it would be better for the horse for someone who does have that commitment to own them. With the proper diet, and the proper exercise program, most PSSM horses can lead a useful performance life.
Thanks for the info! I have no problem being dedicated to his health, he's just had an unusual amount of time off with all the rain and not having a covered pen to ride in and he some days off due to stifle injections (which now I think might be related to the the PSSM if he has it). Been a rough start with him, but I do believe that he has all the potential in the world to be a great horse for me! Sent of my results today for the PSSM 1 testing, hoping to hear something by the end of next week. Would you happen to have a list of dealers in Oklahoma that actively carry the Renew Gold? I know there are some that are listed close to me, but they don't have it in store, but I've also not asked them if they could order it. |
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Expert
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Location: Willows, CA | What town are you in?? |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | winwillows - 2014-08-06 5:00 PM What town are you in??
I'm in the McAlester area, but my husband is in the OKC area at least 3x a week. |
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Expert
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Location: Willows, CA | PM me and I will find you a close store. |
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