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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Tell me your training techniques. Thanks :) |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | You don't say.......very interesting.....I did not know that..... |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Are you talking to yourself? |
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| To me, it's not terribly easy to convey. That may be why you're not getting scads of replies 
You might search videos on youtube, then you would have visuals as well.  |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-06 8:01 AM Are you talking to yourself?
Maybe..... |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | bennie1 - 2014-08-06 8:02 AM To me, it's not terribly easy to convey. That may be why you're not getting scads of replies
You might search videos on youtube, then you would have visuals as well.
Ok lol....I can try that :) |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Also, you want to create energy with you legs, but don't let it out the front door. Think about cueing the horse on, but having the energy go UP instead of OUT. Light contact on the mouth. The horse will lift it's back and shorten the stride, and round out.
Here is perhaps the most dramatic example, a Piaffe (trotting in place)
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Nice Collected trot
I'm using dressage examples because it is easier to see.
See how is back is "lifted up"? The energy is coming from the hind end. |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | What's up with the giant picture?
Ok, I kind of get what you're saying. I am responsible for holding the head in the right position, right? I thought that there would be a contraption to put on him first......
Man, trainers starving your horses sure makes it hard on a girl. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Do the bridles that they are wearing serve any collection purpose? I see the nose band on all of them... |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:11 AM What's up with the giant picture?
Ok, I kind of get what you're saying. I am responsible for holding the head in the right position, right? I thought that there would be a contraption to put on him first......
Man, trainers starving your horses sure makes it hard on a girl.
In the beggining, I would just focus on getting them working on the hind end and don't fuss with head position, especially since you are dealing with youngsters.
You want to feel a PUSH from the hind instead of them trolling around on the forelegs |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:13 AM
Do the bridles that they are wearing serve any collection purpose? I see the nose band on all of them...
Ignore that, it's a dressage thing. They use them to hold the mouth closed and it is also tradition |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-06 8:13 AM LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:11 AM What's up with the giant picture?
Ok, I kind of get what you're saying. I am responsible for holding the head in the right position, right? I thought that there would be a contraption to put on him first......
Man, trainers starving your horses sure makes it hard on a girl. In the beggining, I would just focus on getting them working on the hind end and don't fuss with head position, especially since you are dealing with youngsters.
You want to feel a PUSH from the hind instead of them trolling around on the forelegs
And....how do I do that lol? |
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Location: In a happy place | Seriously it is hard to explain just typing words. Would you happen to have any English/Dressage places near you. I promise it would be easiest to pay for a few lessons than to have someone to try to tell you on here. |
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| LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:14 AM
barrelracr131 - 2014-08-06 8:13 AM LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:11 AM What's up with the giant picture?
Ok, I kind of get what you're saying. I am responsible for holding the head in the right position, right? I thought that there would be a contraption to put on him first......
Man, trainers starving your horses sure makes it hard on a girl. In the beggining, I would just focus on getting them working on the hind end and don't fuss with head position, especially since you are dealing with youngsters.
You want to feel a PUSH from the hind instead of them trolling around on the forelegs
You probably first need to establish a few buttons ... meaning does the horse move off you leg well?
I like to work on collection after I have the colt moving well off my leg pressure. Then like Allison said, you are looking to hold the energy in the horse by squeezing gently with your legs (get them to move forward) but holding their face initially with your hands thus allowing the energy to go up instead of out - thus creating a shorter stride, lifting the rib cage, allowing the rear to reach under the body farther, etc. While teaching this, it is important to focus on baby steps in the progress and allow the colt the freedom to collect and then immediately release the all cues and pressure. Eventually when it gets what is going on, you can hold the collection for longer and longer periods.
Its super hard to explain and ... time and feel are incredibly important when teaching this correctly. |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-08-06 8:31 AM Seriously it is hard to explain just typing words. Would you happen to have any English/Dressage places near you. I promise it would be easiest to pay for a few lessons than to have someone to try to tell you on here.
I believe you and no lol. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | lindseylou2290 - 2014-08-06 8:32 AM LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:14 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-06 8:13 AM LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:11 AM What's up with the giant picture?
Ok, I kind of get what you're saying. I am responsible for holding the head in the right position, right? I thought that there would be a contraption to put on him first......
Man, trainers starving your horses sure makes it hard on a girl. In the beggining, I would just focus on getting them working on the hind end and don't fuss with head position, especially since you are dealing with youngsters.
You want to feel a PUSH from the hind instead of them trolling around on the forelegs You probably first need to establish a few buttons ... meaning does the horse move off you leg well? I like to work on collection after I have the colt moving well off my leg pressure. Then like Allison said, you are looking to hold the energy in the horse by squeezing gently with your legs (get them to move forward ) but holding their face initially with your hands thus allowing the energy to go up instead of out - thus creating a shorter stride, lifting the rib cage, allowing the rear to reach under the body farther, etc. While teaching this, it is important to focus on baby steps in the progress and allow the colt the freedom to collect and then immediately release the all cues and pressure. Eventually when it gets what is going on, you can hold the collection for longer and longer periods. Its super hard to explain and ... time and feel are incredibly important when teaching this correctly.
No, that's great. I understand what you are saying. It gave me a good mental picture. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | You don't want to put the head into position, you create energy from behind and capture it with your hands. The horse comes into your hands and onto the bit. And when they're learning, they can only collect a few strides at a time because it takes a lot of strength. A lot of people make the mistake of using draw reins or a German martingale to force the horse into a frame and call it collection, but it's not. It's only a frame without impulsion from the rear. |
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| LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:36 AM
lindseylou2290 - 2014-08-06 8:32 AM LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:14 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-06 8:13 AM LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:11 AM What's up with the giant picture?
Ok, I kind of get what you're saying. I am responsible for holding the head in the right position, right? I thought that there would be a contraption to put on him first......
Man, trainers starving your horses sure makes it hard on a girl. In the beggining, I would just focus on getting them working on the hind end and don't fuss with head position, especially since you are dealing with youngsters.
You want to feel a PUSH from the hind instead of them trolling around on the forelegs You probably first need to establish a few buttons ... meaning does the horse move off you leg well? I like to work on collection after I have the colt moving well off my leg pressure. Then like Allison said, you are looking to hold the energy in the horse by squeezing gently with your legs (get them to move forward ) but holding their face initially with your hands thus allowing the energy to go up instead of out - thus creating a shorter stride, lifting the rib cage, allowing the rear to reach under the body farther, etc. While teaching this, it is important to focus on baby steps in the progress and allow the colt the freedom to collect and then immediately release the all cues and pressure. Eventually when it gets what is going on, you can hold the collection for longer and longer periods. Its super hard to explain and ... time and feel are incredibly important when teaching this correctly.
and when all else fails, beat 'em with a stick. j/k |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-06 8:46 AM
You don't want to put the head into position, you create energy from behind and capture it with your hands. The horse comes into your hands and onto the bit. And when they're learning, they can only collect a few strides at a time because it takes a lot of strength. A lot of people make the mistake of using draw reins or a German martingale to force the horse into a frame and call it collection, but it's not. It's only a frame without impulsion from the rear.
said much better than I ... |
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