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| A trainer around here enters all of her horses at barrel races as Horse 1, Horse 2, Horse 3, Horse 4... etc... and I notice her good horse is always coincidentally running at the top of the ground. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that she is not naming her horses on the entries in order to get the position in a drag that best suits each of her horses... not just at small town jackpots either, I'm talking at barrel bashes and big added money barrel races. I just think that is pretty lame, and why are there not rules to handle stuff like this? Especially at bigger barrel races? Surely she is not the first one to figure out how to work the system this way. Just curious if there are rules anywhere that outline this or if this is just something everyone brushes aside and is not worth making a big deal out of? |
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Location: Kentucky | Not a big deal to me. If she doesn't care that the horse is not getting the winnings documented, then she is just doing what gets her paid. |
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| If it really bothered me, I would say something to her, but I'm really just curious if there are rules in place for that kind of thing? It blows my mind that that is legal... but then again my rodeo schedule does not allow me to go to very many barrel races so I am out of the loop anyway. |
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 I Chore in Chucks
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Location: MD | I wouldn't care enough to say something to get her "in trouble". But, nobody else gets to decide when they get to run... why does she? |
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  That's White "Man" to You
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| Ot oh- did you get permission to use the words "barrel bashes"? |
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Location: Kentucky | CheckItOut - 2014-08-14 11:56 AM
If it really bothered me, I would say something to her, but I'm really just curious if there are rules in place for that kind of thing? It blows my mind that that is legal... but then again my rodeo schedule does not allow me to go to very many barrel races so I am out of the loop anyway.
It's probably not illegal. Just maybe frowned upon. Like sandbagging. |
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| Whiteboy - 2014-08-14 11:03 AM
Ot oh- did you get permission to use the words "barrel bashes"?
What? |
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Location: N Texas | It would definitely irk me, but I'm a rule follower and get annoyed when people "work the system". 
Like Murphy said, she can't prove which horse is "Horse 1", so winnings can't be verified for that horse in the event it comes up for sale. So while she may benefit from choosing which horse runs when, if "Horse 1" wins the 1D, I don't think she'd be able to prove it in the future. |
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Location: USA | I used to run against a guy who did that. He used to enter his horses as horse1, horse 2, joe, bob, etc... He kept bringing the same horses every time and entered them with the same names,. Then if he knew horse 1 ran better on top ground, he would change horse2 (who had top ground) for horse 1. Enough complaints and then he was watched several times by directors and eventually was suspended by the district. He then ran another district and did the same thing. He eventually was told that if he did it again he would have a lifetime NBHA suspension as they said it was cheating. |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| CheckItOut - 2014-08-14 11:06 AM Whiteboy - 2014-08-14 11:03 AM Ot oh- did you get permission to use the words "barrel bashes"? What?
Haha there once was a bb on here that forbid anybody to use that combination of words without express written permission. She indicated that she had it trademarked! |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | IMO it's cheating. Enough complaints and the powers that be will put a stop to it. In rodeo it's different. The earnings are tracked by rider. But I still like to know what horse they ran, just because I'm always studying breeding combinations that work.  |
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Location: North Dakota | I thought that you had to enter each horse by its registered name (for EquiStat purposes) and then run that horse when that particular horse got put in the draw?
I don't see how they would even let you enter a horse named "Horse #1"??
At least around here at our local jackpots and NBHAs, every one enters a horse/rider combination and then that is what gets put in the draw.
You could bring it to the attention of the show committee. Then they could decide if there were any rules against what she is doing. Leave it in their hands.
Edited by r_beau 2014-08-14 12:04 PM
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Whiteboy - 2014-08-14 11:59 AM CheckItOut - 2014-08-14 11:06 AM Whiteboy - 2014-08-14 11:03 AM Ot oh- did you get permission to use the words "barrel bashes"? What?
She probably means that this person is running at Renea's Barrel Bashes.....LOL
and yes, it SHOULD be considered cheating! |
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Location: Oklahoma | r_beau - 2014-08-14 12:03 PM I thought that you had to enter each horse by its registered name (for EquiStat purposes) and then run that horse when that particular horse got put in the draw?
I don't see how they would even let you enter a horse named "Horse #1"??
At least around here at our local jackpots and NBHAs, every one enters a horse/rider combination and then that is what gets put in the draw.
You could bring it to the attention of the show committee. Then they could decide if there were any rules against what she is doing. Leave it in their hands.
Entering them with their registered names helps track their earnings. However, a lot of people run grade horses, so you're gonna get a lot of those, as well as some people who don't care about tracking their earnings on a horse and just enter it by their barn name.
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | It's cheating plain and simple. If you have one good horse only and draw the bottom of the ground, you had no opportunity to put your best horse on the top of the drag. People who pull the numbering horse BS are manipulating for the best ground for their 1D horse because it's highly unlikely they're all 1D horses. You don't need a college degree to figure this scam out and producers shouldn't let it happen.
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Location: Texas | It should be considered cheating. |
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 The Worst Seller Ever
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Location: Oklahoma | It honestly doesn't matter to me one bit. If a person thinks that bottom vs top of the ground will make that much difference at a barrel race (rodeos are different) then they are crazy. The only time top of the ground has an advantage is if you have a really little horse, or you run the opposite way as everyone else in the drag. I have a lefty and it does suck running after 4 or 9 right handed horses an you run against the tracks at 3.
If you have a list of horses, and they need to be ran in a certain order meds, buddy sour, warm up time, ect then a person should be allowed to each horse its best chance to make a good run. Some producers and random draws do not take that into consideration. |
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 Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | The races that operate on draws should require registered names or barn names followed by (NR). If the rider wants to use horse 1 ... they should have to pay a fine. Say $10 per horse. That would stop it. That happens a lot around here. I've even done it myself just because I can. |
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Location: In a happy place | Like NJJ said yes it is cheating. I have seen it done numerous times...really too many to mention. But I finally decided to quit worring about it and let them have at it. It amazes me that people that win like that (if they do win) can hold their heads up. |
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