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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | If I am not allowed to post this due to it's sensitive nature, please delete it but I can't even tell you how upset I am about this whole case. I don't live in Steubenville, OH (thank God) but I do work there and that town believes football begins and ends with Big Red and it's coach Reno. It has been KNOWN for years how corrupt the whole school system is and what lengths will be gone to in order to protect their worshiped football. I don't want to post on here openly what two ball players did to a WVa girl (just encase little eyes are reading anything) but it was horrible and made national news after the group "Anonymous" broke the case open. After only nine months, Richmond was released and now this:
http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/08/convicted_steube...
I know where I stand on this but I would really like to hear the opinions of people no familiar with this area or history. Does he deserve a "second" chance on the football field? I will say I totally support a true reform system for this young man but putting him back out on the football field and allowing him to attend a public school?
Let me add the other convicted teen, Mayas, lives in a neighboring town but was recruited by Big Red to play with for them. As soon as they were told they had to pay for his continuing education (he is still in prison), they threw him back to his original school district and said he was their responsibility not theirs.
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| Absolutely not. This makes me sad for society today. He should not be able to be within miles of a school. He should have to register everywhere he moves. Ect.
"Hey a$$hole, welcome to life as a sex offender. You earned it."
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | After rereading my post and then the article attached, I guess it could possibly be taken that I support the decision to let him back on the ball field. Which I don't in any way, shape or form but it is such a heated subject around here that I would like to hear from people who are not from this area. If you are anti- Big Red around here then you are clearly just judgmental and hateful, that really is the thinking of way to many. | |
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| Oh I did not get that at all. I am just one of those "feel strongly about moral issues" people and to me, this is a definite moral issue. | |
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| It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation.
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM
It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation.
Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard?
I agree about policies. The coach isnt in the wrong if he there's no policy againist it. he could be sued and the school if he didnt allow him to.
However, most school have some form of policy for sports. I would be interested to know what theirs is. I had to maintain a certain GPA to play and if we were caught drinking/drugs/etc we were benched for x amount of him. This guy sounds like he may not be the most upstanding student so if they cant get him on the sex offender status alone, then I wonder if hes meeting the other criteria.
Personally, I think playing sports is a privledge and this kid has now become a liability. Not only due to his behavior but what other student may do to him on the field. | |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-08-17 5:41 PM
Oh I did not get that at all. I am just one of those "feel strongly about moral issues" people and to me, this is a definite moral issue.
Totally agree with you, it comes down to a moral issue for me too.
Your post had nothing to do with why I posted my second comments, I just thought after rereading it, it may have been confusing to some but I tend to overthink things sometimes.  | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape. Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met. The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new, that has been going on for generations. I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school. Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults. Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictact our standards.
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Location: In a happy place | rodeomom3 - 2014-08-17 6:21 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape. Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met. The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new, that has been going on for generations. I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school. Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults. Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictact our standards.
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | stayceem - 2014-08-17 6:14 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM
It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation.
Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard?
I agree about policies. The coach isnt in the wrong if he there's no policy againist it. he could be sued and the school if he didnt allow him to.
However, most school have some form of policy for sports. I would be interested to know what theirs is. I had to maintain a certain GPA to play and if we were caught drinking/drugs/etc we were benched for x amount of him. This guy sounds like he may not be the most upstanding student so if they cant get him on the sex offender status alone, then I wonder if hes meeting the other criteria.
Personally, I think playing sports is a privledge and this kid has now become a liability. Not only due to his behavior but what other student may do to him on the field.
This whole thing is a HOT mess. If you are ever have free time google "Steubenville Rape Case." This second part all comes down to the bones of the OVAC (governing athletic conference) does not come right out and say felons can not play but they talk about moral conduct... The OVAC has basically turned it back to it and left it to the school district's decision. The same school district who's superintendent is going to court tomorrow for obstructing justice, tampering with evidence and other felonies (all directly related to this case). It is also very questionable how much the coach was involved, knew and tried to help cover-up, although no criminal charges have been brought against him.
Technically, no laws have been broken by allowing him back into the school or on the team but I guess, for me I don't understand why there is not and how a convict sex offender can still attend a public school. Especially in this day and age when there are so many other school options. | |
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| rodeomom3 - 2014-08-17 6:21 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape.  Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met.  The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new,  that  has been going on for generations.  I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school.  Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults.  Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictact our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | Here is another issue I have with all of this. This school district has been known for years to try and "pick" players from other school districts. The other young man involved, T Mays, lives in the neighboring town over however, he attended Steubenville HS so he could play football for them and "yes" I have been told Steubenville approached him to play there. From everything I have heard, he was an OK player but not one of their best. Richmond I have heard is a very good player and they have had high hopes for him for years. Mays is still in prison but when the courts said Steubenville would still be financially responsible for his education, they dropped him like a hot cake and said he was Indian Creeks responsibility because he lived there (of course they won in court).
Now Richmond "deserves a second chance" but they sure were not worried about Mays education. 
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rodeomom3 - 2014-08-17 6:21 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape.  Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met.  The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new,  that  has been going on for generations.  I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school.  Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults.  Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictate our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 6:50 PM
rodeomom3 - 2014-08-17 6:21 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape.  Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met.  The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new,  that  has been going on for generations.  I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school.  Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults.  Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictact our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
OK lets say he was "rehabilitated" in the 9 short months that he served. The article mentioned above directly talks about texts between Mays and Richmond referring to their coach "taking care of things" (not the actual words but along those lines) So basically their mentality was "we are ok because the football team will protect us." This came out several times during the court case also. So do you think it is right to put this young man right back into the SAME environment that he already had an entitlement complex with? What is he really learning or taking good from that? If we want to truly reform this young man why put him right back with the same people that did try to cover up the crime? There are several good ways to earn an education these days and they don't have to involve public school and football. | |
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| komet. - 2014-08-17 7:05 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 6:50 PM
rodeomom3 - 2014-08-17 6:21 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape.  Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met.  The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new,  that  has been going on for generations.  I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school.  Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults.  Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictate our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
Are you willing to extend this olive branch out to all sex offenders? Or just a few pretty ones?
This is our society, they get convicted got to jail, become rehabilitated get out early for good behaviour, and we hope they don't reoffend.
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| Rolling J - 2014-08-17 6:31 PM
stayceem - 2014-08-17 6:14 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM
It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation.
Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard?
I agree about policies. The coach isnt in the wrong if he there's no policy againist it. he could be sued and the school if he didnt allow him to.
However, most school have some form of policy for sports. I would be interested to know what theirs is. I had to maintain a certain GPA to play and if we were caught drinking/drugs/etc we were benched for x amount of him. This guy sounds like he may not be the most upstanding student so if they cant get him on the sex offender status alone, then I wonder if hes meeting the other criteria.
Personally, I think playing sports is a privledge and this kid has now become a liability. Not only due to his behavior but what other student may do to him on the field.
This whole thing is a HOT mess. If you are ever have free time google "Steubenville Rape Case." This second part all comes down to the bones of the OVAC (governing athletic conference ) does not come right out and say felons can not play but they talk about moral conduct... The OVAC has basically turned it back to it and left it to the school district's decision. The same school district who's superintendent is going to court tomorrow for obstructing justice, tampering with evidence and other felonies (all directly related to this case ). It is also very questionable how much the coach was involved, knew and tried to help cover-up, although no criminal charges have been brought against him.
Technically, no laws have been broken by allowing him back into the school or on the team but I guess, for me I don't understand why there is not and how a convict sex offender can still attend a public school. Especially in this day and age when there are so many other school options.
I am not arguing with you. However, the school district should have guidelines for all sports. It states on the OVAC website that a students eligibility is determined by the school district. Thats how it was when I played sports also. Regardless of the superintendents legal issues referencing this case, there should still be by-laws/rules/regulations put in place in that school district to determine this person's eligibility. If he is meeting those requirements, they could be sued for denying him because this isnt in their rules. (maybe some schools will add this now, many districts dont expect this to happen so its never addressed, many things fall through the cracks this way).
Now if hes not meeting those requirements and they're allowing him to play, then its a different issue. I agree I think there needs to be legal standpoint listed in their rules/regs/by-laws for sports. Some schools have it, some dont. This would be a good opportunity for that district to add/adjust if they havent already done so. that way this cant happen again. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 7:21 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 6:50 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape.  Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met.  The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new,  that  has been going on for generations.  I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school.  Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults.  Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictate our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
Are you willing to extend this olive branch out to all sex offenders? Or just a few pretty ones?
This is our society, they get convicted got to jail, become rehabilitated get out early for good behaviour, and we hope they don't reoffend.
It doesn't sound like any conditions were placed on his release.
Well.. he does have to register as a sex offender for the next 20 years... I'm not sure justice was reached in this case. The other one convicted only said he was sorry pictures were taken and sent around. But this ain't over yet..
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 7:21 PM
komet. - 2014-08-17 7:05 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 6:50 PM
rodeomom3 - 2014-08-17 6:21 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape.  Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met.  The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new,  that  has been going on for generations.  I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school.  Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults.  Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictate our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
Are you willing to extend this olive branch out to all sex offenders? Or just a few pretty ones?
This is our society, they get convicted got to jail, become rehabilitated get out early for good behaviour, and we hope they don't reoffend.
It doesn't sound like any conditions were placed on his release.
He is a CONVICTED "Tier 2" sex offender and has to check in every 6 months. I also believe he is 18 (adult age), so how can it be justified him attending PUBLIC school and being allowed in play football? The school district does have to by law to provide his education but no where is it written into law that he should be given the privilege to play ball.
Technically, there was not any court order restrictions about if he can attend public school, sports... those decisions were left in the hands of already corrupt school district. | |
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| Rolling J - 2014-08-17 7:49 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 7:21 PM
komet. - 2014-08-17 7:05 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 6:50 PM
rodeomom3 - 2014-08-17 6:21 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-17 5:46 PM It all depends on what the schools policies are, if they have no policies on allowing convicted criminals on sports teams, then the coach is not in violation. Professional sports still have convicted criminals in contracts, no one questions this, so why a double standard? Yes, you are technically right but it is a sad statement when a student can be suspended for academics but not rape.  Most sports clubs have moral and academic standards that must be met.  The lack of morals or interpretation of it, is very disturbing but in relation to high school football, I don't think looking the other way for the sake of the team is anything new,  that  has been going on for generations.  I don't think it is a double standard to enforce morals and ethics in high school.  Maybe if it were done then they wouldn't end up as criminals as adults.  Lessons have to be taught regardless of the bad examples set by professional athletes, , lets not let their behavior dictate our standards.
But wasn't the lesson learned by the individual serving his sentence? Why should he be penalized after serving his sentence and being rehabilitated?
Are you willing to extend this olive branch out to all sex offenders? Or just a few pretty ones?
This is our society, they get convicted got to jail, become rehabilitated get out early for good behaviour, and we hope they don't reoffend.
It doesn't sound like any conditions were placed on his release.
He is a CONVICTED "Tier 2" sex offender and has to check in every 6 months. I also believe he is 18 (adult age ), so how can it be justified him attending PUBLIC school and being allowed in play football? The school district does have to by law to provide his education but no where is it written into law that he should be given the privilege to play ball.
Technically, there was not any court order restrictions about if he can attend public school, sports... those decisions were left in the hands of already corrupt school district.
As I've said I dont agree with it but unless their rules/regs for sports states otherwise and he meets those rules/regs he can play until otherwise stated or the school would face legal battles. Its just like cyber bullying wasnt a law... people had to fight to get those laws implimented because it just never was an issue before.
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