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Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2014-08-18 12:35 AM
Subject: High Fat Feeds


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I'm looking for a high fat horse feed! I've got a horse that plays in the pasture all day then gets ridden in the evenings and competes on the weekends. I am currently feeding him 4 coffee cans of 7% fat feed along with a flake of alfalfa in the morning and evenings with good Bermuda grass during the day. He is not wormy, has clean fresh water (at all times), and does not have ulcers. Any Suggestions are greatly appreciated!!!
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Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2014-08-18 7:13 AM
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Renew Gold is awesome!
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RoaniePonie11
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2014-08-18 7:15 AM
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Renew Gold or ADM feeds.

4 coffee cans is a lot of volume. The feeds above are concentrated so you feed much less volume. My favorite is Renew Gold. I have 4 horses on it and I spend about $35/horse per month feeding it.
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RodeoRider97
Reg. Oct 2011
Posted 2014-08-18 7:19 AM
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ProForce feeds are AMAZING! I think they have something like 14% protein and 10-12% fat and I only have to feed a half scoop to mine and they all look amazing and I just feed them hay. The feed lasts quite a while :) But if you have one that's hard to put the weight on, on their backs or topline feed alfalfa, that always works for me :) But the ProForce has Rice Bran, Alfalfa, and Beet Pulp already in it :)
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Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-08-18 8:09 AM
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speed - 2014-08-18 12:35 AM I'm looking for a high fat horse feed! I've got a horse that plays in the pasture all day then gets ridden in the evenings and competes on the weekends. I am currently feeding him 4 coffee cans of 7% fat feed along with a flake of alfalfa in the morning and evenings with good Bermuda grass during the day. He is not wormy, has clean fresh water (at all times), and does not have ulcers. Any Suggestions are greatly appreciated!!!

Thats a lot of feed.  If he has all the grazing he wants plus what your feeding.  You didn't mention is he thin?  If he is with all that you need to make a vet appt.  What are you feeding?  
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Reg. Apr 2014
Posted 2014-08-18 8:25 AM
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"4 coffee cans" isn't a measurement by weight. How many pounds per day are you feeding? What is the daily recommended weight of the grain for the size and amount of work for your horse?

Start there. Depending on how much should be fed, you may be under-feeding. You may also be over-feeding.

If you are under-feeding by weight, start by upping to the recommended amount.
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Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2014-08-18 9:21 AM
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Purina Ultium.
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Longneck
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2014-08-18 9:41 AM
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 I had my gelding on Bluebonnet's Intensify Omega Force ( I just fed him the minimum of 4lbs a day since he has grass and still gets hay.  I believe it is a 12% fat.) and he really bloomed and was glowing on it... but I want to switch to something with a lower NSC %, so I have a bag of Renew Gold I am about to start the switch over to.

 

You might look into adding an oil to his feed.  I did that for a few weeks to help jump start my gelding's weight gain and it really did some wonders (but it also could have been from getting a good quality hay).  I just used Dumor's (at TSC) Rice Bran Oil.  Started out with about 1/4 cup and worked him up to 2 cups a day and now I'm back down to about 1 cup every other day.

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Reg. Mar 2011
Posted 2014-08-18 9:51 AM
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You could try 3 lbs of Ultium, 2X a day.

Or, 1 lb of rice bran, 2X daily, with 1 lb Ultium 2X daily, 3 lbs alfalfa pellets 2x a day for a really skinny one.

Make sure rice bran is stabilized.

Forco. I really like SmartGut Ultra. A lot.

Free choice coastal.

That's my feed program, and that's as complicated as it gets.
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Fancy Lass
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2014-08-18 10:04 AM
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I just currently put by really hard keeper mare on purina ultium .. It's one of the highest fat feeds out there & this horse prefers pellets . It says you can feed 5 lbs to a horse in light work .. So I am going to start there . I have fed triple crown complete to a 4 yr old last year with great results . I prefer a little lower NSC % though . Hoping the ultium works well for this horse .. The less you can feed the better with her .
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shorti056
Reg. Oct 2007
Posted 2014-08-18 10:07 AM
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my favorite is Purina Ultium. 12.5% fat, 18% fiber. it's a great feed!
Otherwise i'd choose an ADM feed and then top dress more fat onto it--my favorite top dress is Cool Calories 100. 99% fat and it's cheap too. 1 or 2 scoops a day and you won't get nearly that amount of fat for that price in another top dress.

You may have to really pump it into the horse (ex: 5 lbs a day) until they get to a good weight and then drop to a maintenance level. Work up to it slowly since adding more fat in their diet takes adjustment (just like any grain change). They'll probably have loose stools.

I'd stay away from rice bran or flax seed---the cool calories is a better top dress option and it's less likely to go rancid. I won't ever feed rice bran to my horses.

Try things and see what works for ya.

Edited by shorti056 2014-08-18 10:10 AM
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Reg. Mar 2011
Posted 2014-08-18 11:20 AM
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shorti056 - 2014-08-18 10:07 AM

my favorite is Purina Ultium. 12.5% fat, 18% fiber. it's a great feed!
Otherwise i'd choose an ADM feed and then top dress more fat onto it--my favorite top dress is Cool Calories 100. 99% fat and it's cheap too. 1 or 2 scoops a day and you won't get nearly that amount of fat for that price in another top dress.

You may have to really pump it into the horse (ex: 5 lbs a day) until they get to a good weight and then drop to a maintenance level. Work up to it slowly since adding more fat in their diet takes adjustment (just like any grain change). They'll probably have loose stools.

I'd stay away from rice bran or flax seed---the cool calories is a better top dress option and it's less likely to go rancid. I won't ever feed rice bran to my horses.

Try things and see what works for ya.

Just a friendly note: if you buy stabilized rice bran, it doesn't go rancid, and has a shelf life of up to a year.
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Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2014-08-18 11:35 AM
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look for a feed less protein more fat  also you can top dress with corn oil pure 
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Reg. Oct 2007
Posted 2014-08-18 12:09 PM
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classicpotatochip - 2014-08-18 9:20 AM

shorti056 - 2014-08-18 10:07 AM

my favorite is Purina Ultium. 12.5% fat, 18% fiber. it's a great feed!
Otherwise i'd choose an ADM feed and then top dress more fat onto it--my favorite top dress is Cool Calories 100. 99% fat and it's cheap too. 1 or 2 scoops a day and you won't get nearly that amount of fat for that price in another top dress.

You may have to really pump it into the horse (ex: 5 lbs a day) until they get to a good weight and then drop to a maintenance level. Work up to it slowly since adding more fat in their diet takes adjustment (just like any grain change). They'll probably have loose stools.

I'd stay away from rice bran or flax seed---the cool calories is a better top dress option and it's less likely to go rancid. I won't ever feed rice bran to my horses.

Try things and see what works for ya.

Just a friendly note: if you buy stabilized rice bran, it doesn't go rancid, and has a shelf life of up to a year.

the free fatty acids are stabilized, but it can still oxidize. I have seen peroxide values and aldehyde levels on rice bran that had been open for two weeks and were scary high and I considered it rancid. this is what I've run into in my job, to each their own if they want to believe stabilized rice bran will not go rancid over time, especially in the environment most people keep their feed in.
For this reason i will never feed it to a horse, especially when there are cheaper alternatives of getting more fat into them.
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winwillows
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2014-08-19 7:26 PM
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Interesting points here. I used to tell people that all rice bran is the same, just like all hay is the same. Raw (unstabilized) rice bran is rancid, period. There is no way to physically get it from the rice mill to a customer before it has become rancid, period. If you use it in your feeding program, you are feeding rancid fat to your horse, period.
There are very significant differences in rice bran that is marketed as Stabilized. Today, there is parboiled rice bran, Extruded rice bran, extruded /cooked rice bran and micro waved rice bran all marketed as stabilized. Many years ago I wrote the definition of "Stabilized Rice Bran" for AFFCO. In an effort to simplify the term, I only used Free Fatty Acid levels as the criteria, because that was the extent of most states ability to test. Today, it is possible to stabilize rice bran to a degree that FFA, Peroxide values, and Thiobarbituric acid levels all remain at a stable level for one year. But, to my knowledge, that is only being done in two rice mills in California at this time to produce a stable food grade product. That is the only "stabilized rice bran" that I will use. There are other processes used on both the West Coast and in the South that will provide FFA levels that remain constant for an extended period. I call these "extended life rice bran" rather than "stabilized". While I have never been comfortable using rice bran processed outside of the current, state of the art, California technology, I do consider them a better choice than raw rice bran because of the way they are handled and stored compared to the waste product storage that is generally used for raw rice bran.
I know that, for most people, this is a long complicated and somewhat confusing explanation of stabilized rice bran. However, there is a difference, and it is important. As to the fat itself, food grade SRB is about 20-22% fat. That makes it about 80% other nutrients. That 80% is of significant nutritional value to the horse also if the rice bran is stable, and should not be discounted when accessing value per dollar spent.
Stabilized Rice Bran can truly benefit a horses feeding program, if it is the right one.

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Reg. Mar 2011
Posted 2014-08-19 9:54 PM
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winwillows - 2014-08-19 7:26 PM

Interesting points here. I used to tell people that all rice bran is the same, just like all hay is the same. Raw (unstabilized) rice bran is rancid, period. There is no way to physically get it from the rice mill to a customer before it has become rancid, period. If you use it in your feeding program, you are feeding rancid fat to your horse, period.
There are very significant differences in rice bran that is marketed as Stabilized. Today, there is parboiled rice bran, Extruded rice bran, extruded /cooked rice bran and micro waved rice bran all marketed as stabilized. Many years ago I wrote the definition of "Stabilized Rice Bran" for AFFCO. In an effort to simplify the term, I only used Free Fatty Acid levels as the criteria, because that was the extent of most states ability to test. Today, it is possible to stabilize rice bran to a degree that FFA, Peroxide values, and Thiobarbituric acid levels all remain at a stable level for one year. But, to my knowledge, that is only being done in two rice mills in California at this time to produce a stable food grade product. That is the only "stabilized rice bran" that I will use. There are other processes used on both the West Coast and in the South that will provide FFA levels that remain constant for an extended period. I call these "extended life rice bran" rather than "stabilized". While I have never been comfortable using rice bran processed outside of the current, state of the art, California technology, I do consider them a better choice than raw rice bran because of the way they are handled and stored compared to the waste product storage that is generally used for raw rice bran.
I know that, for most people, this is a long complicated and somewhat confusing explanation of stabilized rice bran. However, there is a difference, and it is important. As to the fat itself, food grade SRB is about 20-22% fat. That makes it about 80% other nutrients. That 80% is of significant nutritional value to the horse also if the rice bran is stable, and should not be discounted when accessing value per dollar spent.
Stabilized Rice Bran can truly benefit a horses feeding program, if it is the right one.

Thanks for contributing Win. I was wondering where you were! I only feed Max-E-Glo. I haven't had any trouble.
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Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2014-08-19 10:20 PM
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Longneck - 2014-08-18 8:41 AM

Β I had my gelding on Bluebonnet's Intensify Omega Force ( I just fed him the minimum of 4lbs a day since he has grass and still gets hay.Β  I believe it is a 12% fat.)Β and he really bloomed and was glowing on it... but I want to switch to something with a lower NSC %, so I haveΒ a bag of Renew Gold I am about to start the switch over to.

Β 

You might look into adding an oil to his feed.Β  I did that for a few weeks to help jump start my gelding's weight gain and it really did some wonders (but it also could have been from getting a good quality hay).Β  I just used Dumor's (at TSC) Rice Bran Oil.Β  Started out with about 1/4 cup and worked him up to 2 cups a day and now I'm back down to about 1 cup every other day.


Isn't Bluebonnet OF one of the lower NSC feeds?
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Reg. Nov 2008
Posted 2014-08-20 7:26 AM
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Buy vegetable oil and start with a half or quarter cup and work your way up to 2 cups a day if needed. Top dress on their feed.
If you don't like messy vegetable oil get a stabilized rice bran
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Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2014-08-20 7:44 AM
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Cool Calories is actually dehydrated vegetable oil in granular form. Much less messy and actually works out to be a bit more cost effective as well. 
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Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2014-08-20 2:37 PM
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what worked great for me was the combo of adm healthyglo and seniorglo.
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